Is there a God .

[thickmick]

Just ask the folk in west Virginia ,one praising his holiness for delivering their souls alive amnd well ,then 5 minutes later ,no God .

Thats right you suckers ,No Fukiiin God no heaven

just bad people milking it for whats its worth .

BTW Out of 500 people ,when a guy asked of them to go to the church and pray for the one they thought had originally died 4 people turned up ,the others too busy rejoicing ,tough ____ they probably thought.

Or maybe there is God ,and they were alive ,and he has a wicked sense of humour ,that God he`s a bugger.

[Basic]

Personally, I believe there is a god – but he needs us to meet him halfway.

People wonder why he didn’t care about those people buried in the mine? But how often do we really care about people outside our own experience? People rarely think to stop and help others who need assistance but expect god to come in and clean things up without anybody getting involved.

If we all really started to show some care for people beyond our own circles then god would start to help out more too. Until humans really show we care for one another why should god waste his time?

Look at it this way – if you were god would you help out these people? If your goodness had to be spread evenly to all people would you give your goodness to Bush, Saddam, and Iran’s mullahs as well as to the poor and starving? If your goodness was just going to be wasted on a lot of people would you do it anyway?

Maybe god is already pouring in as much good as he can but too many of us humans are just pouring it out the other side.

[sandro]

does it really matter if god exist or not?
i am open to anything, for the time being i don't beileve in what ever we call god, or any other name, words etc.

for chr.t sake

[HairyGaijin]

On here God is The One.

[sandro]

alright let's add the one too,
i don't beileve in them either, for the time being!

[Morning Star]

Where's the poll?

Short answer yes with an if
long answer no with a but

[sandro]

just few minutes ago i received a call from her,
i beileve in that god,, for the time being, of course!!

[thickmick]

Personally, I believe there is a god – but he needs us to meet him halfway.

People wonder why he didn’t care about those people buried in the mine? But how often do we really care about people outside our own experience? People rarely think to stop and help others who need assistance but expect god to come in and clean things up without anybody getting involved.

If we all really started to show some care for people beyond our own circles then god would start to help out more too. Until humans really show we care for one another why should god waste his time?

Look at it this way – if you were god would you help out these people? If your goodness had to be spread evenly to all people would you give your goodness to Bush, Saddam, and Iran’s mullahs as well as to the poor and starving? If your goodness was just going to be wasted on a lot of people would you do it anyway?

Maybe god is already pouring in as much good as he can but too many of us humans are just pouring it out the other side.

Basic you have some good points ,forgiveness like the family who showed forgiveness to the killers who put and icepick thru their honours student child in a racial attack .

When ,OJ`s wife was found dead ,and the news was told to a friend of her "boyfriend " that she
had been killed and alos there was a guy killed with her .The freimds reaction was shock to the wifes death and he said I don`t give a ____ about the guy ,which he later found out was his friend

This is Americanism where people are only concerned with themselves ,and don`t give a ____ about anyone else( the majority) ,the problem is Amrecanism is spreading thrughout the world ,get rich quick ,believe in God and don`t give a ____ about anyone else.

[CLOWNPUNCHER]

Yes there is a God. Me.

The rest of you are just a figment of my imagination.

Without me you'd all be ..........nothing.

[Nick Halliday]

I grew up in W. PA, where they mine coal. My God said to me: Son, you can't dance or sing, so don't move to Memphis. So I said, I know, I'll mine coal, because my pappy did, and his pappy before him, and his pappy before him. And you know what God said? He said, No, don't do that. Go teach EFL in Japan.

And one more thing. Don't believe in miracles, but if one does happen, don't think it's because you deserved it anymore than anyone else.

[sandro]

Yes there is a God. Me.

The rest of you are just a figment of my imagination.

Without me you'd all be ..........nothing.

twight light zone, i forgot how to pronounce, that what it sound.

you have a point in there, even if you were sarcastic.

with out you or each all of us, god would not exist.

i like that!!

[sandro]

I grew up in W. PA, where they mine coal. My God said to me: Son, you can't dance or sing, so don't move to Memphis. So I said, I know, I'll mine coal, because my pappy did, and his pappy before him, and his pappy before him. And you know what God said? He said, No, don't do that. Go teach EFL in Japan.

And one more thing. Don't believe in miracles, but if one does happen, don't think it's because you deserved it anymore than anyone else.


thare are not miracles!!

[Deva]

...but I couldn't help but wonder if it is getting serious attention. For that matter, one wonders why it might require serious attention at all. We are, after all, living in the years post 'age-of-enlightenment'.

The people and religions and philosophies have become scattered and the individuals are working at cross-purposes to recover old knowledge blown about by the winds of our histories.

I noticed in another thread a question of spirituality in today's Japan. I see in TM's original post some anger, and I wonder if there is cynicism, or if a deep belief is itself trying to be expressed. Sensei?

How can one look around the world today and not be but consumed by the heat. It takes a steady eye, lads n ladies. Be of steady heart and good cheer. Love one another and use your great brain efficiently for the short time alloted you.
Life is actually a good thing.

A good place to begin a discussion of the existence of God might be perhaps to first try and define that God whose existence we are determining to judge. Plato defined it metaphysically, the Egyptians Hieroglyphically. The Hebrews added number and the rennaissance revival of Europe took the knowledge of King and Empire creation all the way to the WhiteHouse through a learning center protected by skulls and bones.

God is an Old topic with a larger view than your next door neighbors' understanding of the teachings of Paul.

[sandro]

god existance!!
i am very cynical about this, but i also know that been as we are, it will be an argument that will never end.

(love one another) we did not need any desciple or prophets, or saints whoever they are, to tell us that.

it is in our nature to love each other, and viceversa, it is and it was in our inner to love to respect each other. we never needed any priciples on teaching or preaching us, (bible, koran, torah, etc...)

those are simply books, they are written by writers like the modern wirter write a book, to express their mind, we are just the interpretetor.

god is just a fruit of our imagination, which it can be good for who wants to beileve in it, but don't impose it.

[Deva]

You are cynical regarding the topic. Why?

You are not a great lover of books? Or authors? Or saints? Or simply irritated with all those preachers of love?

I notice that you are quite the prolific poster in this forum. I have only been here a few minutes however and haven't had the opportunity to read anything else you are writing. I wonder, does this topic in particular anger you? If so, are you just venting or giving a little support to TM who began the thread with an anger of his own.

I wonder, though the knowledge of love, as you say, is so deeply rooted within the human psyche, that the tendency to anger and annhilation of the same be as consistent. Perhaps a good teacher once or twice a millenium is not such a bad thing.

'concepts are meant to be broken' is not bad once in a while, but if you break the one that says 'look both ways before crossing' you are likely to get hurt. Until unless your intuition has been so sufficiently honed like the animal so that you don't even have to turn your head to know that danger is near, and then they still look to see what's coming.

[sandro]

no i am not hungry on the contrary! i am affacinated by the topic,

it is just a topic, to me god or not god deaos not change my way of life, only my experiences help me to grow.

talking to people, having bad days, be dumped, having a crush, falling in love, etc. that is what change me, that is what make me thing about life, or if there is any purpose on it.

god was in my book, when i was indoctrinated long time ago, which i don't mean it in a negative way, we all are influenced one way or another by something, nobody knows them self fully.

all the principles, thoughts about god, love etc.. have always been floating around, preachers, etc.. have only added to the thoughts, philosophers, have only pondered on it, but they are all been influenced, by their own experinces, there is not any beggining to that and for the matter no end.

god is just a word, we just play around with the meaning, words are never enough to explain feeling, i only beileve, that i am existing in this dimention, after what happen, it does not matter, actually i am looking forward to get out from here, that is the only thing that exite me for the moment.

the only thing that exite me to stay here, is to continueosly fall in love, nothing can beat that, the rest is just too superficial for me.

[sandro]

You are cynical regarding the topic. Why?

You are not a great lover of books? Or authors? Or saints? Or simply irritated with all those preachers of love?

I notice that you are quite the prolific poster in this forum. I have only been here a few minutes however and haven't had the opportunity to read anything else you are writing. I wonder, does this topic in particular anger you? If so, are you just venting or giving a little support to TM who began the thread with an anger of his own.

I wonder, though the knowledge of love, as you say, is so deeply rooted within the human psyche, that the tendency to anger and annhilation of the same be as consistent. Perhaps a good teacher once or twice a millenium is not such a bad thing.

'concepts are meant to be broken' is not bad once in a while, but if you break the one that says 'look both ways before crossing' you are likely to get hurt. Until unless your intuition has been so sufficiently honed like the animal so that you don't even have to turn your head to know that danger is near, and then they still look to see what's coming.

to teply the other questions,
i never read any book in my life, nothing against them, i just can't concentrate.

and welcome to this forum

[Deva]

and for replying.

But why would you say that a man cannot know himself fully?

I understand your disenchantment with the cycles of suffering of joy and perhaps your acknowledgement of the fact that they define one's existence. I hear you looking forward to the salvation that rests in death, although some would say that you might just have to come back and do something else next time. but that's a story from another book.

And what exactly do you mean when you say that continuously falling in love is not superfcial? Doesn't this contribute to the endless ups and downs?

But then, this topic has moved away from its origin and I am also looking forward to hearing from TM on his topic.

Pleasure to meet you Sandro.

[sandro]

and for replying.

But why would you say that a man cannot know himself fully?

I understand your disenchantment with the cycles of suffering of joy and perhaps your acknowledgement of the fact that they define one's existence. I hear you looking forward to the salvation that rests in death, although some would say that you might just have to come back and do something else next time. but that's a story from another book.

And what exactly do you mean when you say that continuously falling in love is not superfcial? Doesn't this contribute to the endless ups and downs?

But then, this topic has moved away from its origin and I am also looking forward to hearing from TM on his topic.

Pleasure to meet you Sandro.

to reply why to fall in love is not superficial, have ever fell in love before?
if you did you should know what i mean, and yes, to fall in love can be the worst thing that can happen to you, but still is worth, and i repeat!! it is the only thing worth living, this chemical feeling, blinds you in a good way.

beiliving in something or not, it does not give me any purpose.

[diva]

I spent...oh..literally minutes thinking up my name of 'diva' and now some old hippy has come along with almost the same name. Grrr...

To stay on topic:

Birth-School-Work-Death

and that's it. No god or gods, sadly.

[sandro]

I spent...oh..literally minutes thinking up my name of 'diva' and now some old hippy has come along with almost the same name. Grrr...

To stay on topic:

Birth-School-Work-Death

and that's it. No god or gods, sadly.

no sadly to me

[Basic]

No god or gods, sadly.

If no god or gods - then why "sadly"?

Shouldn't matter either way.

[sandro]

good point,
to me the thought of death, at the moment does not scare me,
then again, you never know, if i am in the happiness state of mind, i may not wish to die, and i may pray to god.

you never know.

[diva]

well..don't you think it would be nice if there was a God?

and an afterlife, etc etc. It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Sadly the only God we have at present is PaulH.

[sandro]

well..don't you think it would be nice if there was a God?

and an afterlife, etc etc. It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Sadly the only God we have at present is PaulH.

no is not is the ONE.
why would it be nice if there was god?
do you know him?
i am sure you will say that god is everywhere and god love us, etc..
so you will conclude that you have met him and sensed him.

in which case i can't say anything, it will be your own feeling.

i can only intellectualize the meaning of god but i can't rationalize the feeling that everyone has about god

[Basic]

well..don't you think it would be nice if there was a God?
If you don't believe that there is a god - a good god or otherwise - then how could you know that any god would be an improvement? (Ever see the movie "Ghostbusters"?)

What if the god you got for thinking "it would be a nice idea" was an angry god like the one the Aztecs worshipped? A god that was only nourished by the tears of humans and required a daily sacrifice of thousands of human lives?

[thickmick]

well..don't you think it would be nice if there was a God?

and an afterlife, etc etc. It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Sadly the only God we have at present is PaulH.

it is obvious that anyone never thought through the afterlife ,if you lived 3 score and more why the flluck would you want an afterlife what would you do ? If you did not enjoy your time while walikng runnung breathing eating drinking procreating sex x box and playstation 2 premierleague ,what makes you think you are going to enjoy eternity ? by the side of the holy ghost and Jesus ,make room for a few more.it would be busy than the yamanote sen on a monday morning]

Get real you fukin brainwasher believers,its your ttype that are ____iiiing up the world.
Diva my anger would stem from the fact that a lot of people are being conned ,and
it takes a tradegy like sago to break their faith in A god
I like the ___. religion where it is in their house they say alittle prayer between them and their departed ones and don`t ____ stir for others .
Amen.

[sandro]

it is obvious that anyone never thought through the afterlife ,if you lived 3 score and more why the flluck would you want an afterlife what would you do ? If you did not enjoy your time while walikng runnung breathing eating drinking procreating sex x box and playstation 2 premierleague ,what makes you think you are going to enjoy eternity ? by the side of the holy ghost and Jesus ,make room for a few more.it would be busy than the yamanote sen on a monday morning]

Get real you fukin brainwasher believers,its your ttype that are ____iiiing up the world.
Diva my anger would stem from the fact that a lot of people are being conned ,and
it takes a tradegy like sago to break their faith in A god
I like the ___. religion where it is in their house they say alittle prayer between them and their departed ones and don`t ____ stir for others .
Amen.

just out of curiousity,
have you ever beileved in, what's the name gold, no no god?

[Basic]

I don’t see why having a god has to mean there is an afterlife. People who string these two ideas together either have swallowed some organized religion or have never thought much past the bounds those religions set up.

But... ...if there is an afterlife there’s no reason to expect it will be just like another room in the apartment we never bothered to go to before. You know, you die and then you are just like you were before except in some other place.

Maybe just going there without our bodies might alter our perception enough that we leave a lot of silly ideas and hang ups behind. One example: if nobody has a body then racism – as an idea and a practice - pretty much goes out the window.’ Male’?/’Female’? – nope, just ‘other’. Seems like sexuality would have to evaporate too.

I don’t really care too much about an afterlife. Kinda silly to do something here expecting to get something later when that later is just a big question mark. I do believe you should do what is right in the here and now not just because of Karma or whatever but because here and now is pretty much all we have.

[sandro]

man if we would not have our body, woman would not mean nothing!
i am scared now!!
maybe there will be something better than that.
but since no one know and will never know till death, we are left here just to survive, or to be happy, or the last choice to commit suicide, without hurting other of course!!

[thickmick]

Sandro of course I once believed in God I was a child once and listened to my elders ,but then I grew up and started to think for myself.

[sandro]

Sandro of course I once believed in God I was a child once and listened to my elders ,but then I grew up and started to think for myself.

so like most of us then.
just for the religious people.
that means that god helped you to think with your head, ironic isn'nt, that is how a guy that beileve in god would put it.

[diva]

just to clarify my earlier posts...

wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice God?

and wouldn't it be bad if there was a bad God?

of course, there is NO God...just the hell-like inferno of this message board.

[thickmick]

so like most of us then.
just for the religious people.
that means that god helped you to think with your head, ironic isn'nt, that is how a guy that beileve in god would put it.

So God made me think that there was　no god ?

If there was A God and his first commandment was thou shalt have no other God but me ,don`t you think that is a little insecure ,for a God.

[Guy Ginpot]

Is there a God?

I believe there is, in-as-much as there must be some absolute Power that initiated the whole sequence of events that has led to our being among the sentient beings that populate this rock.

The manifestation of this evolution we see as as the Universe functioning under the workings of Nature. As part of nature, we as humans act in certain ways that we know to be 'human nature'. Part of human nature is for our different cultures and societies to try to formulate some kind of meaning and purpose for our existence and this is explained through religion.

Many Christians believe that humanoid God chose planet Earth as a place to put little wee images of himself. If we're good little wee images of God we'll go to heaven. If we're bad, we'll go to Hell.

I believe that anyone who believes this is a deluded megalomaniac.

I believe that we are one of many many glorified ant colonies that exist on individual rocks that hurtle, in a measurable manner, through outer space.

We have a choice of living our temporary lives in a decent manner [define decency] or in an indecent manner, or a combination of the two. When we die, we often are given the choice of being either a fast-release or a slow-release fertiliser.

That is all.

gg

[sandro]

So God made me think that there was　no god ?

If there was A God and his first commandment was thou shalt have no other God but me ,don`t you think that is a little insecure ,for a God.

of course, like us,
but who care!
i was only saying that maybe a geohova of wintness or others for that matter,would put it like that, i know is a bit contradictory, but religion is like that anyway.

[sandro]

Is there a God?

I believe there is, in-as-much as there must be some absolute Power that initiated the whole sequence of events that has led to our being among the sentient beings that populate this rock.

The manifestation of this evolution we see as as the Universe functioning under the workings of Nature. As part of nature, we as humans act in certain ways that we know to be 'human nature'. Part of human nature is for our different cultures and societies to try to formulate some kind of meaning and purpose for our existence and this is explained through religion.

Many Christians believe that humanoid God chose planet Earth as a place to put little wee images of himself. If we're good little wee images of God we'll go to heaven. If we're bad, we'll go to Hell.

I believe that anyone who believes this is a deluded megalomaniac.

I believe that we are one of many many glorified ant colonies that exist on individual rocks that hurtle, in a measurable manner, through outer space.

We have a choice of living our temporary lives in a decent manner [define decency] or in an indecent manner, or a combination of the two. When we die, we often are given the choice of being either a fast-release or a slow-release fertiliser.

That is all.

gg

until we die we will never know.
so let's see!! or not see, we may not have eyes then.

[agnosto]

So God made me think that there was　no god ?

If there was A God and his first commandment was thou shalt have no other God but me ,don`t you think that is a little insecure ,for a God.


Yeah, I always like that one; it's the christian god's admission that there are other gods....maybe the hindu religion is right.

Maybe Vishnu gets uppity one day and says "Alright, there can be no other gods before me." so the other gods get together and kick him out of the god club. He cries, pouts, and starts his own religion called Judaism.

[sandro]

basically the most important thing is not about beiliving or not, the point is what you do during your life.

i wonder what happened if really god existed?
a party everyday?
i just can't imagine.
is just beyond me the meaning of god, what is that?

[agnosto]

basically the most important thing is not about beiliving or not, the point is what you do during your life.

i wonder what happened if really god existed?
a party everyday?
i just can't imagine.
is just beyond me the meaning of god, what is that?


You just made me think of that crappy pop song.....

"what if god was one of us.....just a slob like one of us...."

[sandro]

if i had told you it was me?
or maybe is you and you don't even know yet, in that case
i would join the satanic cult.

[Jacque_S]

The best comment I heard during the whole episode was a priest who went on about how it was a miracle 'that we had all those rescuers with their skill and knowledge and equipment.' Sorry dude, but that ain't a miracle...explanations don't get any more rational than that. Proves that even Christians don't believe in God anymore. Wonder why they even bother going to church?

[sandro]

they go to church, because they have been told to go to church.
i am sure they have a prefect religious explanation.
we are all indoctrinated, either in a good or bad way, that need to be defined.

[eku]

is there a god...
maybe
but not anymore....
and definitely not the christian god... he is just a hodgepodge of older religions..

[Expat Jack]

There was a god. He died around 1977 after falling off the toilet in a drug induced stupor and suffocating. Now many imitators, imposters, and used-to-knows make money off his memory, by peddling "true-sightings" and butting into everyone's business telling them how to live. He died and he ain't coming back.

[eku]

There was a god. He died around 1977 after falling off the toilet in a drug induced stupor and suffocating. Now many imitators, imposters, and used-to-knows make money off his memory, by peddling "true-sightings" and butting into everyone's business telling them how to live. He died and he ain't coming back.
naruhodo... god has left the building...
poor us :D

[sandro]

There was a god. He died around 1977 after falling off the toilet in a drug induced stupor and suffocating. Now many imitators, imposters, and used-to-knows make money off his memory, by peddling "true-sightings" and butting into everyone's business telling them how to live. He died and he ain't coming back.


man!!
what happen to the prophesized 234th coming or was the second? that was the messiah, i get confused with the trinity, sorry!!
the father the daugher and the wisky which is a spirit, and the dautgher, just i don't to discriminate the other sex.

so christ could have been a girl, if roman empire did not collapsed, christ could have been italian, or english, even japanese, i am so confused now!

[KIMIMARO]

the only thing that exite me to stay here, is to continueosly fall in love, nothing can beat that, the rest is just too superficial for me.



how about "DEATH" does it excite you?

[sandro]

how about "DEATH" does it excite you?


seriously, yes it does
life is too long for me.

not suicide, but sometime i think about!

[Expat Jack]

naruhodo... god has left the building...
poor us :D

Poor us jya nakute, lucky us da yo. If he was ever in the building, he's certainly gone now so we can ignore the cross-dressing old farts of all denominations who try and lead us to paradise. The best we can do is enjoy it while it lasts without fecking too much with the next guy.

'course I could be wrong. If the big G is listening, jodan, ne.:D

[KIMIMARO]

seriously, yes it does
life is too long for me.

not suicide, but sometime i think about!



sometimes you think you want to die eh??? i think it's normal. when we are tired of life we think about death.
have you ever been hurt, physically??? do you know the real meaning of PAIN? it's easy for us to say "yeah, I'm tired of life, and I want to die, after that it's all over".

i think man belives on the existence of GOD because he believes that GOD is the only one who can save him from the PAIN of DEATH.

try to hold your breath for as long as you can until your color changes, or cut or burn one of your fingers. then if you can withstand the pain...you can say to yourself you are ready to DIE.

[diva]

Is this turning into one of those suicide boards?

Shall we all hire a van and drive up to Chichibu?

But if we kill ourselves we will go to limbo. Best wait to die naturally.

[eku]

Is this turning into one of those suicide boards?

Shall we all hire a van and drive up to Chichibu?

But if we kill ourselves we will go to limbo. Best wait to die naturally.
honey ... we are already in limbo... they called it gaijinpot.com cuz limbo.com had already been taken
:D

[Expat Jack]

man!!
what happen to the prophesized 234th coming or was the second? that was the messiah, i get confused with the trinity, sorry!!
the father the daugher and the wisky which is a spirit, and the dautgher, just i don't to discriminate the other sex.

so christ could have been a girl, if roman empire did not collapsed, christ could have been italian, or english, even japanese, i am so confused now!

Christ? Who said anything about Christ? I was talking about the King!

If there is a god, and he has something important to say, I'm sure he's smart enough to know that a good pr firm or the Disney corporation are far more efficient in spreading the word than the conventional channels. Better yet, out the middle-men and just give us a flashy and unambiguous demonstration of who's the boss.

[sandro]

sometimes you think you want to die eh??? i think it's normal. when we are tired of life we think about death.
have you ever been hurt, physically??? do you know the real meaning of PAIN? it's easy for us to say "yeah, I'm tired of life, and I want to die, after that it's all over".

i think man belives on the existence of GOD because he believes that GOD is the only one who can save him from the PAIN of DEATH.

try to hold your breath for as long as you can until your color changes, or cut or burn one of your fingers. then if you can withstand the pain...you can say to yourself you are ready to DIE.

actually, in my youth i have tried quite few times to kill my self, been unsuccessful, i gave up, till now.
so i am always ready!!

[sandro]

Christ? Who said anything about Christ? I was talking about the King!

If there is a god, and he has something important to say, I'm sure he's smart enough to know that a good pr firm or the Disney corporation are far more efficient in spreading the word than the conventional channels. Better yet, out the middle-men and just give us a flashy and unambiguous demonstration of who's the boss.


sorry,
the king can also be a christ, the title is just different.
interesting that you addressed god as if is a human being!
first of all i don't even know what god is, i can only rationalize why people beileve in that.

[sandro]

Is this turning into one of those suicide boards?

Shall we all hire a van and drive up to Chichibu?

But if we kill ourselves we will go to limbo. Best wait to die naturally.


have you ever died before?
if not, how would you know what happen after?

[Che]

If anyone manages to make contact with this god character, can you ask her where all my guitar picks keep disappearing to and why the lint in my belly button is always blue?

[eku]

If anyone manages to make contact with this god character, can you ask her where all my guitar picks keep disappearing to and why the lint in my belly button is always blue?
everyone knows that they put leedle homing devices in guitar picks... put one down and the fecker runs back to the factory to be resold :D
about your belly button lint... must be the cold...
you dun need a god for things like this :D

[KIMIMARO]

actually, in my youth i have tried quite few times to kill my self, been unsuccessful, i gave up, till now....



why unsuccessful? was it because you felt and thought that wouldn't be able to bear the pain? or because of fear???

[sandro]

why unsuccessful? was it because you felt and thought that wouldn't be able to bear the pain? or because of fear???


no really,
i end up to the hospital, but eventually i made it through.
i actually tried several times, always ending up to hospital, all the time i managed to survive,
i drunk poison, cut my viens, crushed purposely into a car, with my bike, that was a good one, i finally thought i was dead, but nothing,
i was a psycho then.

don't get me wrong, i am ok now, but once in a while i think about it.

[KIMIMARO]

...i end up to the hospital, but eventually i made it through.
i actually tried several times, always ending up to hospital, all the time i managed to survive,
i drunk poison, cut my viens, crushed purposely into a car, with my bike, that was a good one, i finally thought i was dead, but nothing,
i was a psycho then.

don't get me wrong, i am ok now, but once in a while i think about it.



having those intentional NEAR-DEATH experiences, and everytime you did it, you always ended-up into a hospital...didn't find it strange? as if you're not in control of your life. even if you have decided already that you wanted to die and tried to die, still here you are... and not a psycho anymore. isn't that a good reason to believe there is God?

there are plenty around us, who wants to live longer. they keep away from anything that can harm their bodies or things that can shorten their lives...we talk to them, we socialize with them, we live with them, they are our friends, family, relatives. we might be spending a very splendid time with them right now, not knowing the fact that they'll be GONE by tomorrow.

[sandro]

having those intentional NEAR-DEATH experiences, and everytime you did it, you always ended-up into a hospital...didn't find it strange? as if you're not in control of your life. even if you have decided already that you wanted to die and tried to die, still here you are... and not a psycho anymore. isn't that a good reason to believe there is God?

there are plenty around us, who wants to live longer. they keep away from anything that can harm their bodies or things that can shorten their lives...we talk to them, we socialize with them, we live with them, they are our friends, family, relatives. we might be spending a very splendid time with them right now, not knowing the fact that they'll be GONE by tomorrow.


very plausable conclusion isn'it, the reason at that time i did not die, is nothing to do with god existance, or whatever, but of course you would think so, that is ok to me, you have the freedom to beileve in whatever you want, if that helps.

like i said, i am ok now, that happened 30 years ago, it just recently that once in a while i think about that, reasons?

maybe i am bored!
don't worry i am not that crazy anymore to do it.
the suicidal mind is different from the rational one, when someone decide to do that, does not think at all about others, is only about him/her self.
right? wrong? can't say.

[KIMIMARO]

very plausable conclusion isn'it, the reason at that time i did not die, is nothing to do with god existance, or whatever, but of course you would think so, that is ok to me, you have the freedom to beileve in whatever you want, if that helps.

like i said, i am ok now, that happened 30 years ago, it just recently that once in a while i think about that, reasons?

maybe i am bored!
don't worry i am not that crazy anymore to do it.
the suicidal mind is different from the rational one, when someone decide to do that, does not think at all about others, is only about him/her self.
right? wrong? can't say.


same as you are, i'm also open to beliefs and respect opinion...

i'm not saying you were saved by GOD. i was asking about your reaction to the fact that you were not dead.
just curious...what do you think saved you those times???
can you still recollect those memories?

anyways, i'm happy for you! you're a TOUGH guy.
can't imagine myself riding my bike and crashing it into a car. ouch!!! :)

[sandro]

same as you are, i'm also open to beliefs and respect opinion...

i'm not saying you were saved by GOD. i was asking about your reaction to the fact that you were not dead.
just curious...what do you think saved you those times???
can you still recollect those memories?

anyways, i'm happy for you! you're a TOUGH guy.
can't imagine myself riding my bike and crashing it into a car. ouch!!! :)


i really can't answer, maybe at that time i would have thought it was destiny, but now i think i was just lucky, or just timing, my body just managed to recover, it is science, so really i don't know.
as for the crash, that was one of the most exiting adrenaline pumping experiences, i felt so exited about it, i just felt thare was a force behind me to accelarate and crush into the car, fortunately, the car driver was ok.
i saw darkness suddenly, i really thought i was dead, i felt peace in a split of a second, but after few days, i woke up again damn! that is what i felt then.

when i think about that, man i was really lucky!

[Expat Jack]

sorry,
the king can also be a christ, the title is just different.
interesting that you addressed god as if is a human being!
first of all i don't even know what god is, i can only rationalize why people beileve in that.

Christ, though reputed to be able to turn water to wine and walk on water, probably couldn't sing like the King.

[sandro]

Christ, though reputed to be able to turn water to wine and walk on water, couldn't sing like the King.


that is true,
but you never know, no one look into it yet.
maybe christ was a fantastic singer!!
if this guy ever existed.

[Expat Jack]

I recently read an article by Paul Bloom, a psych/linguistics prof from Yale Univ. He holds that the universal themes of all religions are accidental by-products of the way humans process information. In essence, it is a defect of our humanity to be predisposed to believe in the supernatural. The article was published in the December issue of The Atlantic and made for an interesting read.

[chome4]

Yes, there is a dog. And it's just cost me a fortune in cleaning the wooden flooring.

Thanks, fido.

[sandro]

Yes, there is a dog. And it's just cost me a fortune in cleaning the wooden flooring.

Thanks, fido.

and do you beileve in dog?