Stay in Japan: US Condones Sexual Child Abuse & Economy Suck

[westsan]

I thank god that I am in Japan. For a while there it looked liked I would be better off to be in the US. But now I feel damned sorry for the fools that went home to the US now.

Bush has ran a stake through the economy. Apparently nobody has jobs back home. Not English Teachers nor IT Engineers. It is a terrible time to move back to the US.

And to top it off!!
Now the goverment is condoning Sexual Abuse against Children...

http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1356241


F-that. I'm staying in Japan.

[Anonymous]

Not to speak about the evil things US did to the world recently.

[Anonymous]

Please refreain from making narrow and simple minded comments without any evidence to support your views. Don't you realize how dumb it sounds to say "nobody at home has jobs"? And it's also impossible for one man to"drive a stake through the economy".

[westsan]

AntiWar wrote:

> Not to speak about the evil things US did to the world
> recently.

Yeah. Wasn't that brutal to show those pictures of mutilated leaders?
I was appauled. I dont know any American that would even think to do something crappy like that.

I forgot to mention the quasi-military rule in effect in the domestic US
My neighborhood was bad enough with LA cops in the first place. With the new 3 strikes (crimes) and get 25 to life in jail for *shoplifting*.

Now it is said to be even much worse.

[Anonymous]

Westsan, I was really scared when I saw what US politicians and US army are doing there. About the killing and exposing the bodies of Iraq leaders, and then overjoying over their murder, I cannot see any difference between the animals and the human beings.

I do not understand why American/British people do not make Bush/Blair resign for all their lies and crimes.

It true that in USA they envision to imprison a person for just downloading music? I read this in Daily Yomiuri. How scary.

[Shonai Ben]

There seems to be a double standard here .At the beginning of the war the Iraqi's tv showed the bodies of dead Americans and everyone in the US was appalled that they would show such a thing and shouting about the inhumanity and Geneva Convention.
Now the American tv stations are showing the dead bodies of the 2 sons of Saddam.
What Gives??

[westsan]

Shonai Ben wrote:

> What Gives??

It is my perception that the Republican party which had been out of power for a long time has stolen the power stage and do not have much respect for the democratic process (ie: votes, elections, gerrymandering, etc.).



US is best-san>>

I will say it again in more specific terms and I doubt anybody will mistake me as you have

Nobody (esp. Minorities) has a job in the US.
Because of the instability of the economy created by Bush.

[Anonymous]

Do not forget also that each of the bodies had about 20 bullets inside, so the American soldiers were shooting in them even when they were already dead, they did not try to catch them and imprison them, shooting 20 times in a dead person, such a monstrosity. Too much henious crimes on Bush' and Blair's hands. OK, if Saddam was a monster, what are they?

[westsan]

Too bad there is no Democratic process that will pull him out of there 2 years ago.

[mark]

Bush may be pretty bad, but you can't tell me that any of the current Demotratic Presidential nominees would really be doing any better in office right now.

Hell, can you even begin to imagine how President Al Gore might have dealt with September 11th??!!! We'd still be having focus groups and image consultants...

Basically, both the US and Japan have crap-___ politicians, but I can earn more money and have a better standard of living here...not to mention a lot more dates!! ;)

[westsan]

Mark>>

Dont take this personal,,, but are you obtuse???
Gore as lame as he is would have kept the Clinton administration ,that had plans to ace out Bin Laden in effect, mostly in tact.

And the plan could have been effected before the atack.
You need understand that Bush is a failed reactive. He has made no effective proactive moves to protect the nation (not to mention jobs).

BTW: Trying not to be biased I honestly believe that every one of the Democratic candidates would have done better at curcumvented the coming quagmire.

[EW]

AntiWar: You didn't hear how the US military was fired upon several times trying to approach the 2 sons and capture them? After determining that capture was not an option they took them out? So what does it matter how many times they are shot?

The photos were released to show the Iraqi people that the sons had indeed been killed - there was too much doubt that it was all a lie. What else can you do?

The US will prevail - Sadam will be found and killed - weapons will be found.

[aaa]

really?

[Anonymous]

EW said >>The US will prevail - Sadam will be found and killed - weapons will be found.<<


I think you mean--- The US will prevail - Sadam will be found and killed - weapons will be manufactured! Uhhhh... I mean, uhhh....... planted! Oops!! Sorry, heheheh, uhhh.... slight slip there...... uhhhh....... ????

Sure, okay.

[Shan]

Post Edited (09-24-03 21:32)

[Shan]

Westsan,
There are many problems with the US, that's for sure. But your comment about the US condoning child abuse?!? What the Catholic church did by covering up molestation of children by priests for years and years was very, very wrong, no question. But from the viewpoint of a woman, I would say that Japanese society as a whole condones pedophilia much, much more than the US does. Just look at the pornography around you that's available at any newstand or convenience store. How much of it is geared towards the school uniform fetishes of men here? I regularly get flyers in my mailbox for home-delivery pornographic videos that advertise videos featuring girls of ages 6, 7, 8, and 9. Even if the actual participants are not those ages, the fact that there is a enough of a market for child pornography that they make films like that is disturbing. Elementary school girls tell me that they have been approached on the street by middle-aged men offering to buy them drinks or other things. Just today, a 32-year old dentist was arrested for soliciting sex from junior high school girls on the internet, a crime which he blamed on the fact that he didn't have a sister!?! People may say that I am looking at this from a western or Christian point of view, but I believe that all girls have the right to grow up innocently, not as sexual objects. Sexualization of girls past puberty happens in every culture, but it seems in Japan that this sexualization is happening to younger and younger girls. It also seems that it's not just a few isolated incidents of perverted people, but a more widespread and almost acceptable trend in Japan. Where is the public outrage? Aren't people worried about their daughters? Please excuse the extremely long post, but I feel very strongly about this. If I had a daughter, all in all, I would rather raise her in the US than in Japan for this reason and others. I think Japan as a whole is much more accepting of child sexualization and pornography than the US.

[westsan]

Shan, No Way. The *Actual* Molestation of boys and not prosecuting it is a far worse crime than the *Actual* prosecution of men attempting to break the law and take advantage of young girls. Period.

I hope you understand the *Actual* difference there.

Did you see the movie "sleepers"? Maybe you should.
Maybe you should also read the above posted related articles more closely.

There is no way that the US is on higher moral ground regarding this issue. Japan has made it illegal. I did not used to be illegal until about 2000. They are being very proactive about this. The US is retroactively screwing it up.

[Shan]

I can see that I will never convince you of anything, but I'm not just talking about men attempting to solicit young girls over the internet. Look at what Japanese men find sexually exciting, or must find, since there is so much of it available in your local conbini: school-girl themed porn! The fact that this is acceptable in Japan boggles my mind. There are certainly pedophiles in the US, to be sure, but I don't usually see your average middle-aged businessman perusing child pornography in the local bookstore. People may disagree with me, but when you see enough violence on TV or movies, after a while, the shock value wears off and you begin to accept that violence as being normal. I think it's the same way with sexualized schoolgirls; if you see enough of it, it becomes normal and acceptable after a while. Japan may be outlawing certain things, but the fact that one can find schoolgirl porn anywhere, and that it is considered acceptable, to me indicates that people don't view this as a problem at all. That is disturbing; the acceptance of the "lolicon" as a normal part of men's sexual psyche.

[westsan]

the lolicon (lolita complex) situation is MUCH improved these days tho.

I am not really disagreing with you. Just stating my preference. A daughter may be better protected in the US in regards to sexual victimization and preteen sexual idolitry.

Shan wrote:

> when you see enough violence on TV or movies, after a while,
> the shock value wears off and you begin to accept that violence as being normal.
> I think it's the same way with sexualized schoolgirls; if you see enough of it, it becomes normal

So what would you prefer a girl that is complacent to violence? or complacent to sex?
there is nothing wrong with sex

[Raceace]

Something scary about the abuses perpetrated on innocent paritioners by the members of the various diocies.
Although the moral codes and laws are inplace now days as opposed to thousands of years ago where these abuses still occured, the pope and
other high ranking church officals still think that they are able to find the guilty parties and defrock them. Worse still governments in a lot of cases
condone the use of internal mechanisms to find offenders.

Wolves in charge of the flock!

When will governments and law enforcement agencies get tough and say
right you guys cant be trusted to investigate yourselves(paedophiles) objectively, we are going to bust your chops the same way we chase those offenders not associated with the cloth.

But I do agree with Shan on the point the Japanese society condones child
pornography more than many western countries, albeit a different level of
pornography.
I have at a guess that hardcore kiddy porn industry in Japan would be alot
bigger than we would dare imagine if you look at the amount of soft porn that is in plain view of the Japanese public.

[Code Rot]

Mark says: "Hell, can you even begin to imagine how President Al Gore might have dealt with September 11th??!!! We'd still be having focus groups and image consultants..."

The irony is, from a strategic point of view, maybe the best thing the US could have done after September 11, was to do nothing. A President Gore probably would have invaded Afghanistan because that was where Al Qaeda was hiding out, but a President Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Invading Iraq was Bush's biggest blunder. History books will record that fact.