Asian guys

[Anonymous]

Well if you ask me I think Asian men are way WAyyy more masculine than foreign guys. They rock!

[Anonymous]

I agree that there are handsome Asian boys, I married one.......Nakata, Ichiro......I am a fan of these handsome blokes.........but there are handsome foreign boys too just as there are beautiful Japanese girls and beautiful foreign girls.........Kkano

[Anonymous]

Wow other non-Asians think Asias can be hotties too? Awesome! Too many muscles is gross-like what many white ppl have - it gets all veiny and gross! Asian men who are wirey or average toned are more attractive. What's dissapointing is when Asian guys are caught up in the stupid Western idealism that to have muscles is to be attractive - they work out the arm muscles and get all ridiculously gross-buff and top heavy - just be yourself and you'll attract the women who are worth it and aren't shallow - I've seen this happen among so many of my Asian male friends and my Taiwanese-Amer boyfriend (Japanese and other Asian ethinicities). American and Western society body form idealisms are stupid (and definately don't reflect my own preferences) but I'm not completely innocent myself of not judging myself by those standards as well.

[sofy]

im agree,
im from canada now living in japan ,
japanese guys are nicer and more polite than westerns.
^-^ Nippon ichi ! ^o^

[Anonymous]

IM AGREE... ASIAN GUYS R HOT... HEY!... WAIT A MINUTE... IM A GUY... SORRY...GOT WRONG THE MEAN LINE...

I SAY: NO MATTER WHERE U FROM LADY, I LOVE U, AISHITEIRU ANYWAY...

[Anonymous]

Really, if so, can we be friends?

[Ophelia]

I absolutely agree! I have seen some fine specimen of the Japanese male here in Tokyo.

[Anonymous]

Oh, they are sooooo hot!! I never realized how hot Asian guys are. I love dark eyes, dark hair...something so myterious about it.
Don't get me wrong, I love Canadian guys as well, but I am so bored of them...

[Ophelia]

Hello!
There is nothing better than a bit of experimentation! I came here in Japan wrongly believing that JM were all short with small members, etc... but after two relationships with J men (first one moved to Hokkaido-I live in Tokyo- and it was difficult to keep the fire burning, now I have another JBoyfriend who is absolutely wonderful) I can honestly say that except lovely hair and eyes (and firm booties!) JM are extremely gentle, sensitive and caring. Just lovely!

[Anonymous]

Read again the foregoing posts above from (i) Canadian chick and (ii) Ophelia and imagine if these posts were instead written by foreign men touting experimentation with Japanese women and describing them as "sooooo hot!!" and then going on about their being "... gentle, sensitive and caring."

Smells like double standard to me ladies. (Or is my envy showing?)

Moreover girls, it's gaijin women like you who put a bad name on all of us here, what with your sexual experimentation and your wanton lusting after the native male all gaikokujin are taken down a notch or two.

And yes, we are fully aware that you are currently counting the days until those hunky salary men switch 'en masse' to the short-sleeve variety of waitoshatsu. I think it should be a national holiday myself. ;-)

- yamanote

[Ophelia]

Sorry Yamanote and excuse my ignorance but I completely missed your point. Can you enlighten me please? Who knows, I might not be as clever as I think I am! ;-)

[Anonymous]

Ophelia,

Thanks for your query. And my point (if I can make the claim for such lofty intentions) is that gaijin men are regularly vilified (often by gaijin women, I might add) when putting forward precisely the same type of comments with regard to Japanese females.

For example:

Canadian chick wrote:
"Oh, they are sooooo hot!! I never realized how hot Asian guys are. I love dark eyes, dark hair...something so myterious (sic) about it."

and you wrote:
"JM are extremely gentle, sensitive and caring. Just lovely!"

I was just noting that if I ( a caucasian American, btw) put forward like commentary on Japanese women in such fora, well, I would prepare for an incoming attack.

However, please understand that I have no argument at all with your comments, rather just noting that it appears fine for foreign women to voice such observations on Japanese men while it is considerably less palatable (for a variety of reasons I'm sure) for foreign men to voice similar observations on Japanese women.

The rest of my post was an inferior attempt at sarcasm I'm afraid.

Oh, FWIW, I too find Japanese (men & women) considerably more polite than Americans---but then it's often hard to distinguish tatemae from honne too. If forced to make one sweeping generalization on Japanese I would say that they are definitely cleaner (hygienically) than any other people I have had close, personal contact with. I appreciate that too. :-)

Regards,
yamanote

[Ophelia]

Yamanote,
I do understand your point ( phew! It took me some time!) Personally, I have no problems with the comments of GM regarding the cuteness, beauty, whatever of the JF. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If GM find JF more attractive...well, I am cool with it!
The whole point of this thread was more of an antidote to the "JF are so much better, cute, slimmer, etc than the GF" and I believe that JM might feel left out! :-)
But, generally, I do agree...Double standards!
Have a nice day!

[Anonymous]

Ah hah finally! After so many months (almost a year) of waiting for some unsuspecting male to post something on my thread!

Well, it's actually sort of anti-climatic really.

I guess it proves that the gaijin male if living in Japan really has no interest in the gaijin female, or what she finds attractive. (are they too busy?)

As for a double standard remark, I dismiss it. Only because of the incredible volumn of comments made by GM in this relationship forum. I haven't the time to shift through all the sexest, objectifing and crude posts that gaijin men have made.
So I beg your indulgence sir, if you could see fit to allow a handful of women to go a bit wild, and profess our love, admiration and lust for Asian men.
Keep up the posts ladies!!

[Coin-Operated-Clown]

Melissa,

while I'm pleased that you so enjoy having relationship with Asian men, I wonder if you'd clarify one point......

In your very first post you said that "Asian guys are WAyy more masculine than foreign guys."

I'm interested that you didn't say 'more attractive' or 'sexier' or 'more stylish' (all of which seem to me defensible claims) but "more masculine".

For myself, I see nothing much that's attractive about a man's being "masculine" (muscled? Hairy-chested? Well-hung? Hunter-gathering?). But, it's a claim I've never heard made for Asian men over "foreign" (white/black) men before. Would you care to elaborate on the "more masculine" theme....?

COC

[Kent Brockman]

"Oscar and Mr T are she-males? Aye Carumba! Pity da fool.

[Ophelia]

Mr Brockman, can't stay away for too long, eh?
BTW who is Oscar? Oscar Wilde? Oscar the film awards? your dog?

[Kent Brockman]

Oscar was the 5th poster on this thread.

[Ophelia]

Oh! Pardon my ignorance! Anyway, Monsieur Brockman what do you think about asian males? Do you find them sexy too?

[Kent Brockman]

welllll... yeeesss... from a fair distance... a rather distant distance... In an... "androgynous purse-carrying Nancy-boy, prissily-determined-to-remove-all-traces-of-facial-hair-through-some-sort-of-vain-prat-electrolysis" sort of a way I suppose...

[Ophelia]

Brockman! tell me more! I am interested in a superficial-gay-man-trapped-in-a-woman's-body kinda way!

[Anonymous]

Don't get brockman's humour at all. Not saying it is not funny because obvoiusly it is appreciated throughout this forum.......am I missing something ? Just cannot find any of your / his jokes remotely funny.....

[Anonymous]

ok... u guys (gals and boys...)... Stop thinking like childrem!... MEN R OTOKOs, WOMEN R ONNANOKOs... wuz da stupid different?... the size?... the skin?... the way their look?... U can talk, or make love, or just be friends with anyone!!!... ( Now I sound like Woodstock...)

The problem is ur unuseless pride!... just try to be BLIND for a while, it works!... or use a pillow to cover the face when... well... u know!... yummie! ( RULE SAYS: NO PORN)

[smallworld]

Hey Nam A'mono- different strokes for different folks, right?
Don't worry too much if you don't get the humour here, just try elsewhere.
On TV, for example. Why, I bet if you turned it on right now you'd be able to find at least one show featuring a moron in a funny hat slapping some other morons on their heads! Brilliant!
But if the language barrier prevents you from fully enjoying this wonderful Japanese brand of humour, fear not, because I'm pretty sure you can still catch re-runs of Growing Pains and Full House.
Enjoy!

[smallworld]

Melissa,
Asian guys may be a lot of things, but I agree with COC- masculine is not one of them! Especially if we're talking about modern Japanese guys.

And if you care so little for foreign men, then why were you waiting 'almost a year' for one to post in your thread?

[Anonymous]

Don't have a TV. Don't know Growing Pains etc. No language barrier, incidentally.
What are you basing your "Asian Guys aren't masculine" judgement on ? Do you mean all Asian guys or just some ? Or just twenty ? Or just the ones you have met ? Interesting you feel you have the authority to make these generalisations. What is a 'modern Japanese guy' ? Is there an age bracket ? Criteria ?

Plus, do you ever suggest anything yourself ? It is easy to criticise everybody else's comments. Go on, try and write something interesting.
Don't hold your breath folks !

[Ophelia]

People,
Peace on planet earth!
BTW this thread is for "the appreciation of the Asian Male" not for bickering!
Kent Brockman is funny!

[smallworld]

Nam A'mono, I think we should define the word 'masculine' before we go any further here. I'd be interested in hearing what you and Melissa think of as masculine. I've never thought the word was open to much interpretation, but who knows- maybe we all have different ideas of what it means.

'What is a 'modern Japanese guy' ?' Well I didn't know that was such a difficult one. I meant a Japanese guy living in this modern age, as opposed to a Japanese guy living, say, a hundred years ago. I mean, I wasn't there or anything, but when I see a guy on a samurai drama or at a summer festival decked out in a yukata or kimono, I think they look really masculine and I can imagine how things were long ago. Really, if a guy puts on a yukata and geta, his body posture and his gait changes. He stands like a man, and he struts like a man. I love matsuri season, because it's a great chance indulge in my special version of cosplay voyeurism (and I'm very sure Melissa and the other gals who posted here are in agreement here!).
But looking at modern Japanese guys, especially those in their 30s and under, I see a lot of pretty boys. These guys are fashion-obsessed, they seem to spend hours a day on their hair, they pluck their eyebrows, they have limp skinny bodies. Not very masculine at all.

Not all Japanese guys are like this of course, but even the regular non-pretty-boy types mostly can't claim being masculine as one of their charms. (But again this really depends on one's definition of masculine.)

And actually, I think men are great in all of their shapes and forms, masculine or not. This includes Asian guys, who I happen to love- especially the one I'm married to.

[Coin-Operated-Clown]

Smallworld is absolutely right.

"Attractive" is a subjective notion. No-one need defend his/her notion of what he or she finds attractive. But "masculine" seems to afford less latitude: it's an almost-scientific term which could be understood to mean 'instantiating, and to a more than usual degree, what are typically male properties'. It seems to me that there is a set of criteria that must be satisfied in order that a person can sensibly be called 'masculine'.

I think that if someone said of, say, Martina Navratilova, that she is "masculine", the speaker would be right on the ordinary understanding of the word, but that if the same thing were said of Winona Ryder, the speaker would be wrong.

And, I think that if someone suggests that Asian men (who are typically smaller, frailer and comparatively smooth-skinned) are generally "more masculine" than non-Asian men, then I think the speaker is wrong unless he or she is using 'masculine' in an other-than-ordinary sense or is referring not to physical properties but to attitude, behaviour, or whatever. Melissa?

COC

[gaijingirl]

I agree with Melissa! Japanese men are more masculine than Western men if we may be allowed to make such sweeping statements at all (which is questionable, so my opinion is, of course, just based on personal sampling). It is NOT a physical thing it is all about attitude. It is about being confident that you are "otokorashii," not feeling challenged in your masculinity, not feeling like you have to defend your "man's territory" in society against the female by being obnoxiously laddish. I think that because Japanese society hasn't challenged popular ideas of masculinity like Western societies have, Japanese men just take their masculinity for granted, which gives them the leeway to be gentle and romantic. They also seem to have a self-deprecating sense of humor that is missing in American men (English men have the best SOH of all, but there are no English men in Japan who aren't exclusively into Japanese girls, as far as I can discover.) Give me a sweet salaryman over a rude, crude frat boy any day! BTW I'd be interested in hearing Japanese people's comments on my analysis.

[Blondegirl]

I think we girls should form a "jguylover" club! Any other girls here in Tokyo wanna meet up and go hunting for hot jguys with me? (^^)