So I just got passed over on a job and I am kind of bummed

[hobbs1]

I keep running it through my mind. The call from Bloomberg in Tokyo came in late last night and when I talked with the hireing manager he stated that everything looked great. I have a good amount of industry experiance(a little more than 1 years worth on the Fixed Income trading floor). However, the bombshell droped when he said that they were not looking for intermediate Japanese ability. I have been trying to get a job in Japan for some time, however, it seems that it will be hopeless unless I am fluent in Japanese. I guess the only thing to do is to keep applying till someone needs less Japanese.

[SteadyRollingMan]

Rjection is always hard to take and you will be rejected over and over, but there will come that time when you will get accepted. So ok you didn't get that job , look for the next one . Your chance will come don't give up.

[Since1990]

Rjection is always hard to take and you will be rejected over and over, but there will come that time when you will get accepted. So ok you didn't get that job , look for the next one . Your chance will come don't give up.


Agreed, you will be rewarded with a job that fits you better if you don't give up searching. It is also important to note that it is very much worth keeping up your Japanese study too, so that future opportunities requiring a higher level of Japanese ability will not be forever out of your reach.

[Herbert]

Everything happens for a reason young man.

Take the rough with the smooth !!

If you didn`t get the job then it wasn`t for you.Look for something else.
I once went for an interview to work in the business development section for
the famous Chateau De Collverignes in Sauternes, targeting Asia,
but was turned down on account of being too experienced !!
So take heart, it happens to the best of us.

Advanced Japanese is not a problem, I can`t speak a bloody word myself but if it can be done, you can do it. Despite my shortfalls in that department I earn excess of 20 million yen a year (not including options)
so bear that in mind.

[Broken Promise Land]

Hey Herbie, I thought you would never come back.

Do you have your bank statement for me to peruse yet? You know the one, the one which says you make over 20 million yen per year.....

[Antorpear]

Everything happens for a reason young man.

Take the rough with the smooth !!

If you didn`t get the job then it wasn`t for you.Look for something else.
I once went for an interview to work in the business development section for
the famous Chateau De Collverignes in Sauternes, targeting Asia,
but was turned down on account of being too experienced !!
So take heart, it happens to the best of us.

Advanced Japanese is not a problem, I can`t speak a bloody word myself but if it can be done, you can do it. Despite my shortfalls in that department I earn excess of 20 million yen a year (not including options)
so bear that in mind.

I agree with Mr. Herbert.

I had a friend who was very drunk in a bar once, and the person serving at the bar refused to give, and - wait for it - even sell my friend some more alcohol in any way, shape or form. But despite being very drunk in the bar, he said that he wasn't, and after paying some money, he was able to get some scrubbing alcohol to do with what he pleased.

So when going for a job, you should talk yourself down a bit - really convince them that you are somewhere below the level they have arbitrarily attached to you - and then give them a bribe.

[Herbert]

A fine anecdote and just what the original poster needed.

Your bar story contains some valuable lessons, although bribery
is a sin !

my pay slip ? Well how about this. Put a copy of your passport (photo page)
up on Gaijinpot and I`ll do the same with my pay slip. Not bribery, but a fair exchange. Your almost native level of English is rare for someone of
apparently very low intellect. Like the OP though, you could go a long way if you keep working on things.



To the OP - don`t worry too much about that company, from what I see they
have a very high turnover rate.

[person]

Hey Herbie, I thought you would never come back.


I am surprised too! I thought you had left J-land long ago, Herbert. Big surprise ---

[Broken Promise Land]

A fine anecdote and just what the original poster needed.

Your bar story contains some valuable lessons, although bribery
is a sin !

my pay slip ? Well how about this. Put a copy of your passport (photo page)
up on Gaijinpot and I`ll do the same with my pay slip. Not bribery, but a fair exchange. Your almost native level of English is rare for someone of
apparently very low intellect. Like the OP though, you could go a long way if you keep working on things.



To the OP - don`t worry too much about that company, from what I see they
have a very high turnover rate.
Ahhh shucks Herbie, you are gonna' blow sweet nothings my way for a little jab in the ribs? Whadda' guy!

But seriously though, don't you think it is time to post your tax statement which PROVES that you make the 20 million yen that is your claim to fame on the Pot. I mean you never fail to mention it.

I recall PaulH had issue with your inflated claims as well. It's ok you big lug, you can black out the personal info, I just want to see the 20 million yen man put something out there that is more than chest puffing "I earn more, there fore I am more," bragging and arrogance.

P.S. With all do respect here Herbie, I havn't got anything I need to prove here, you are the one that has made unverified claims to your wealth. having a copy of my passport would do nothing to address the issue at hand which is you and your tall tales.

[Herbert]

Touche old boy !

Obviously you do alright for yourself, we all know how lucrative English teaching can be. I remember that Paulh fellow, and I can vouch that he earns at least 4 milion yen a year, just with his regular job.

Jealousy nags; heed her, and beat her ! The money is out there,
just go and get it old chap.

And regarding putting my pay slip up on the internet ? Well, it doens`t take a genius to know that I won`t be likely to do that does it ?

[Alex_expat]

I just wonder "what is the need to tell about salary" and try to defend it.

Also if you think that only you are making 20M per annum, I have big words for you :)

There are guys who finish the deal over the phone within few minutes and get paid $50k.

You are paid what you deserve and there is no end to human greed for salary.

Cheers,
Alex.

[Broken Promise Land]

Touche old boy !

Obviously you do alright for yourself, we all know how lucrative English teaching can be. I remember that Paulh fellow, and I can vouch that he earns at least 4 milion yen a year, just with his regular job.

Jealousy nags; heed her, and beat her ! The money is out there,
just go and get it old chap.

And regarding putting my pay slip up on the internet ? Well, it doens`t take a genius to know that I won`t be likely to do that does it ?
No jelousy bub, just calling a spade a spade. Also, what's with the inaccurate presumption that I am an English teacher?

[Che]

I'm not in this field, but I've often found that soon after I miss out on a job or get fired, something better comes along that I would've missed out on if I had been "lucky" the first time.

[that'sme]

back to the ego game.
i am a loser, i only make 150.000 a year.
but i feel fine, is that a contradiction?

dear op, don't despair, you will find it.
and when you do, please tell us, we need a bit of optimism on this board.

cheers

[Alex_expat]

Hi Hob,

I am sorry that this thread has been hijacked.

Let's come to the point.

Working for JPMC or Citi Bank and get paid lucrative salary is not a great deal. I am sure experienced people knew this.

As long as you get decent pay job, which would help you in the long run, you would be more happier and very much successful both in professional and personal life.

I have lost my personal life in the run for big pay. Now I can't go back and erase anything.

I foresee bright future for you with your Japanese skill.

Keep in mind "There is no end to Salary Greed"

Good Luck !

Cheers,
Alex.

[hobbs1]

Ya rejections sucks. My wife was upset with me. Thank you for the chucks on the shoulder. I will keep up till I get where me and my wife want to be. Its going to take some time, but that is thankfully one thing I have plenty of for the moment.

[person]

Ya rejections sucks. My wife was upset with me. Thank you for the chucks on the shoulder. I will keep up till I get where me and my wife want to be. Its going to take some time, but that is thankfully one thing I have plenty of for the moment.

Not to be negative but...

Some people are NEVER where they want to be. Or...once they get to where they thought they wanted to be, the bar gets raised higher (as Alex has stated).

Your wife was ... upset with you? That strikes me as a bit...interesting. Was she supportive? Console you if you were feeling bad? Upset with you...for doing your best? That's kind of hard to understand. Sorry if I'm off base.

Good luck! As Che mentioned, there's usually something better around the corner. That's why I tend not to get disappointed when I don't get a job. I really does seem like something better comes along ... that wouldn't have been possible (obviously) if you had gotten the initial job.

:)

[nosferatu]

I keep running it through my mind. The call from Bloomberg in Tokyo came in late last night and when I talked with the hireing manager he stated that everything looked great. I have a good amount of industry experiance(a little more than 1 years worth on the Fixed Income trading floor). However, the bombshell droped when he said that they were not looking for intermediate Japanese ability. I have been trying to get a job in Japan for some time, however, it seems that it will be hopeless unless I am fluent in Japanese. I guess the only thing to do is to keep applying till someone needs less Japanese.
Sorry to hear your story. Have you sat the JLPT test? I know that it isn't always the best way to ascertain someones language ability but a level 2 or 1 would go a long way to helping you get in the door. I heard Bloomberg used to be less particular about the Japanese level for some roles but not all. Seems like they've tightened things up. FWIW, i've met a few people who didn't speak 'fluent' Japanese but achieved the desired results through internal transfers from US to Jpn or Uk - Jpn. Either that or another year or two experience where you are might help. Chin up and all the best.

[hobbs1]

My wife was upset as well because it is something that we have wanted to do for a long time. I have never taken the JLPT, this may be something that I can do and put it on my resume. Thanks for the advise.

[Lynchmob]

I keep running it through my mind. The call from Bloomberg in Tokyo came in late last night and when I talked with the hireing manager he stated that everything looked great. I have a good amount of industry experiance(a little more than 1 years worth on the Fixed Income trading floor). However, the bombshell droped when he said that they were not looking for intermediate Japanese ability. I have been trying to get a job in Japan for some time, however, it seems that it will be hopeless unless I am fluent in Japanese. I guess the only thing to do is to keep applying till someone needs less Japanese.


From the looks of it, they probably weren't looking for someone with an intermediate ability in written English, either.

The fact that you seem hell-bent on coming to Japan for such a career tells me that you're probably an overweight, 25-year-old virgin who's convinced himself that females in Japan will be more accepting of his virtual lack of social skills and sexual experience.

Here's what you're not gonna like: A DORK in America, is still a f*cking DORK in Japan, and while j-twats may be slightly more accepting of losers if the said loser has white skin, you're still never scoring with a "hot" girl (or one deemed "hot" by most social standards).

Here's some advice for you: Stay home, get a decent trading job with a good company in a real city, in a real country with real credentials. By the time you're 40, you just might have saved enough to cash to buy yourself a Filipino child bride ($50 U.S.) and a lawyer to keep you out of trouble ($49,950 U.S.). Then you can lose your virginity in style!

In all seriousness, however, you're really barking up the wrong tree by hoping to land a trading gig in Japan. It's a sucker's work environment, and only the losers hack it out more than six months. I've got friends working in Roppongi (trading, investing, some at Goldman Sach) and buddies doing the same thing in NY and Chicago--the only difference is the money is far greater, back stateside.

You're probably pursuing Japan solely for sexual gratification purposes. Believe me, it ain't worthwhile.

Not at all.



LM

[Supergaijin]

You're probably pursuing Japan solely for sexual gratification purposes. Believe me, it ain't worthwhile.

Not at all.


Well, not in your experience by the sounds of things dude!! Just because you can't get none, don't mean this trader guy is gonna luck out!!!

[Eman421]

I guess the only thing to do is to keep applying till someone needs less Japanese.

Just take some language courses.