Cute or cool?

[JBS3009]

Which team do you bat for? (that`s the cute team or the cool team (sorry, poorly phrased)). I came across an advertisement of the train the other day for An-An magazine, in which one of the topics was "Kako Ii Onna vs Kawaii Onna", and that got me thinking. Both of these species have their pros and cons, and I would like to hear from the guys here about your opinions and / or experiences.
Basically : Cutie or Beauty - which do you prefer and why?
I`m sure all of our girlfriends fall into one of these categories, so please, speak up! But sorry Kurogane, "dirty, dirty, dirty girl" lovers are exluded from making any recommendations, but feel free to divulge some of that splendid vocabularly that only a sensei of your prestige can do.
Anyway people, what are your thoughts?

[person]

Is this for boys only or can girls play too? If so, I imagine beautiful would have to be replaced with handsome...though I've been known to say a man is beautiful on occasion.

Just wondering -

[mintcar]

cool...

usually cool=cute (+style) too :)

[ShitagiDorobo]

Girls can definitely be ugly, but cool to the point where they're attractive. My japanese ain't perfect, but I wouldn't equate kako ii with beautiful. I thought it had more to do with attitide and style. I'd have to say cool ugly girl will probably remain interesting longer than a cute dull girl. Probably more fun in bed too -- If you can convince her to wear a bad over her head... sorry, that wasn't very nice, was it?

[JBS3009]

Yeah, sure girls can join in, Person!
I wouldn`t equate kako ii with beautiful either, but the magazine was implying that, and I usually take Japanese fashion magazines as being the gospel truth (note: cryptically inserted sarcasm). For the benefit of this forum, let`s just say cool = beauty.
Of course, what category your girl or your type of girl falls under, is your interpretation. But what it it about that genre (cutie or beauty) that made you interpret her that way?
Interesting theories, bring forth more, I say!

[Morning Star]

Cutie or beauty has almost no bearing on whether or not I find a chick attractive. Some of the girls I've gone out with probably couldn't be put into either of those categories. There has to be a certain amount of attraction, but how well you get along with someone is more important.

This is probably similar to Cosmopolitan or Elle where they talk incessantly about what kind of nail polish and shampoo gets the guys. Girls like obsessing about this stuff, but most guys I know couldn't give a rat's ___.

[person]

In regards to that, Morning Star -

I'm always amazed to hear the things men (as well as women) comment on/find appealing (about myself or others). While I'm sure all the "exterior" things don't hurt (clothes, makeup, etc.), it's usually the things we can't change so much that people...respond to (maybe someone's eyes, smile, etc.). Certainly, we can play up those features; however, with a girl like me (I don't wear a lot of makeup), people either like those features or they don't (standing on their own merit so to speak).

I've often heard it said/been told that men (maybe women too) look at the "whole package". Therefore, maybe it's difficult to pinpoint one thing that makes someone "cute" or "cool" or "beautiful" or "handsome" or whatever. For some people, though, there can be one thing that really catches your eye about the opposite sex (for example, part of their body).

Not really any helpful info. here in terms of defining any of the adjectives. But then, tastes vary...we know that. As for my personal taste in men - smart, successful, kind, funny, interested, interesting............not ugly (notice where this falls). More so than appearance, the other qualities make someone "attractive", in my opinion.

Cheers -

P.S. Given the nature of some of my other posts recently, I can't believe I forgot to add - HONEST/TRUSTWORTHY. I must be settling...

[Da Gster]

Speaking of cute.....
I cant stand this Japanese overemphasis on cute girls. The have to be so damm cute in everything they do. Their stupid little hand gestures and the ear splitting high pitched voices and of course the clothes they wear. Actually not many women are really like that here I dont think, but when I turn on the TV thats all I see. Of course to qualify to be cute they have to be as thick as sh!t. And J-guys love it.

By the way cute and beautiful are definitely distinguished here. When talking about this girl at work with these Japanese guys I said this girl was nice looking and they were like "beautiful or cute". After I pointed the girl out everyone said she was cute not beautiful. Guys I know here often choose cute over sexy. To me a girl who plays the cute role does so at the detriment of sexiness.
I guess the same could be said for guys but in different ways.


Lets start a revolution and have anti-cute protests. Only cool, pretty, sexy, and beautiful will remain, with "nasty" to fill the void of what was once cute. The cute culture must die and with your help we can thrust a blade deep into the heart of this hello kitty accessory era.

[ShitagiDorobo]

Lets start a revolution and have anti-cute protests. Only cool, pretty, sexy, and beautiful will remain, with "nasty" to fill the void of what was once cute.

hey, now... some of us like "nasty" girls...

[Morning Star]

There is something strangely attractive about a woman that turns her panties inside out so she can wear them for two days.

Can I get a witness?!

[kurogane]

MS,
This is NOT the Fetish thread, dammit.
You need to go get a beer REALLY soon
Thanks for the laugh.
:D

[Morning Star]

My brother always said that drowning in beer would be like heaven. Well, my brother's not here and I have 2 soakers... This isn't heaven, THIS SUCKS!

Almost beer time. Hey, where did the fetish thread go anyway,... I thought this was it.

[kurogane]

Well, it is now, I guess. :confused:
At least it hasn't been hijacked by all that political mumbo jumbo. Maybe now we can roll up our sleeves and get down to some serious fetish fun. No rubber, though. Too sweaty.

[madmaxxam]

How about the Otaku team? Any takers there? But seriously, I really go on a case by case basis, and don't think about the distinction between cute vs. cool. Although I find that I am more often put off by the personalities of the 'cool' crowd.

[kurogane]

The 'cool' peole here always kind of remind me of the In Crowd at home. Vapid Posers, always looking for The New Kid in Town. I have dated a few Cool Girls, but I always felt like a bit of Arm Candy. Now, when we say Cute, do we mean Kawaii, or those annoying Cutesie girls. In that case, cool is a bit easier to take.

[person]

Kurogane...as Arm Candy? Just can't see it. Now, Kurogane HAVING Arm Candy...definitely plausible. BEING Arm Candy, on the other hand, is...difficult to imagine (at best). Perhaps this is just how I imagine you...

[Da Gster]

LOL
Maybe he had some pokey in his pockets.

[Morning Star]

I thought I was a pervert, but arm candy? Not sure I understand, unless you're talking about being up to your bicep in it.

[kurogane]

person,

Hee Hee. Exploding your preconceptions am I? :)
All I meant was that I feel as though I am being trotted out as Foreign Boyfriend/Date, rather than liked for little ol' me.
And Yes, my pockets are full of Pocky. :)

[stillnosheep]

How can you tell which is which when they always seem to have their faces blurred out on the pictures outside...?

[kurogane]

Look here you furry little ruminator, I will have you know that I am such a valued customer that they remove the mosaics just for me.

And even being Arm Candy is better than Baa Baa F&%k Sheep. Or something.

[stillnosheep]

Furry? Little? Ruminator?!?

I'll let you into a secret: They remove their mosaics because they know that you love them; and love, so they say, is blind.

Either that or the mosaics get transferred to you and that's the only way that they can manage it with you at all!

Yeehah! and goodnight.

sns.

[gentleman quality]

Are gothic lolitas considered cute or cool?
Gotta love them gothic lolitas.

[stillnosheep]

Them gothic lolitas be not cute, nor be they cool.

Them biatches just pure badness!

sns.

Oh, you mean the ones on the website?

Them be not gothic. Them be not lolitas. Them be just babies.

... 'cept for the cute one of course...

She's cool.

[THEDON]

A ginza girl............. generally beautiful women with cool clothes......nice!

[Morning Star]

Go-su ro-ri = I hate you mom and dad!
Ginza girl = High maintenance (Do you want it after their stink-breath oyaji sponsor gets through with them?)
ganguro gya-ru = inaka chick takes trip to big city --> I went to a matsuri in Ibaraki last weekend and it was like a ganguro parade.
Hey, what happened to all of the Angel chicks? And the ones that dress up like Madonna circa 1980's?

[Dr.Drew]

a not so hot chick who can give a really nice blow job will always triumph over a cute chick who can't/won't do it...so my vote is for cool over cute, with the BJ caveat thrown in.

of course, a really hot girl who can swallow your pork sword takes the top spot!!

[madmaxxam]

a not so hot chick who can give a really nice blow job will always triumph over a cute chick who can't/won't do it...so my vote is for cool over cute, with the BJ caveat thrown in.

I don't know. I never really cared for the BJs as much as the actual act itself... Maybe I've just never been with a girl who gave a really good one, but usually I don't mind skipping that part of third base and heading straight home.

Edit: Also, you don't feel the same sense of accomplishment after a BJ, and you don't get the nice cardio workout. Sex is just so much healthier.

[Da Gster]

I used to think the same way. But I discovered that a good BJ can kick the **** out of sex.

[Morning Star]

Yes yes,

A BJ is also easier to pull off in public. You don't have to take her clothes off and make a mess. Just burp the worm and zip up...

[Da Gster]

What did I tell you about getting your girlfriend to give you a BJ in a restaurant Morning Star? Your only fooling yourself if you think the other diners dont notice!

[Da Gster]

It only takes a girl a few seconds to find the purse she dropped you know!

[THEDON]

Come on mate....they cant all have oyaji chaps eh?! lol

Anyhow as for the fantasticly named Blowjob......that is obviously the starter, the main course is served later.....

Well that depends if your in a restaurant i guess.

[Morning Star]

Dagster,
If people don't notice, then what's the point of doing it in public? It's not the act itself, it's the high-fives afterwards with strangers that make it fun.

[madmaxxam]

It's for the exhibitionist in all of us. Also adds new meaning to "you've got something in your teeth there honey."

[Morning Star]

I think that there's only one meaning there.

I think I've got something in my teeth,
Could you get it out for me?
Now that's F*cking teamwork!

[madmaxxam]

I think I've got something in my teeth,
Could you get it out for me?
Now that's F*cking teamwork!

Damn you Morning Star, I should know where that quote is from, but I just can't seem to remember. Curses... Anyway, if you add what I'm talking about to what you said, I think they call that snowballing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[person]

And so the question then follows...how do you reciprocate the public and/or private bj? What are the criteria by which a woman can evaluate a man? Just curious what the boys' opinions are.

[Morning Star]

Person-
We pay for dinner. Take her for a walk in the park... get another BJ. Say nice things about her clothes and body... get a massage. It all evens out.

madmax - Jack Black__Tenacious D__F* Her Gently

[person]

As I see it - a full stomach, a jaunt around a park, etc. do not quite equal the satisfaction a man gets from...the activity in question. Dinner is for both of you; walking around the park is for both/neither of you. As for complimenting her, yes, that's nice I suppose. However, some of us know most of that stuff (clothes in particular) really isn't of interest to you...maybe even to some of us.

So, I guess in terms of REAL satisfaction, I'm just wondering how the girl is supposed to get that...at least in your opinions. A quick bj in public - while I trust exciting on occasion - hardly seems equally satisfying for the woman. And, of course, I'm assuming you're worried about that part of the equation as well, no?

Thanks for sharing, Morning Star -

[Morning Star]

The previous posts have been tongue-in-cheek, of course. I forgot that there were ladies present.
Honestly; if I'm happy, she's happy. Paying for the meal is remuneration for services performed during the meal. Going on a walk or *shopping* is a form of suffering that we bear for our women, not unlike swallowing warm love snotty. If we don't act like we were enjoying ourselves, it's like asking to have a fight. Compliments also take a considerable amount of thought for us, so they are worth their weight in massages.

[anikikokushi]

In my experience I have found what kurogane has said to be true....cute girls are just girls who want the cool gaijin boyfriend, but when you talk to them it's like a blow-up doll that talks back.....

[person]

"Services" performed...I'm starting to feel sick. Now, shall we talk about the girls who aren't prostitutes?

[Morning Star]

Let's not split hairs here, I can see that you're trying to get riled up about something. Think about how betrayed you would feel if you serviced your fellah at a restaurant and he gave you the look afterwards, expecting you to *cough up* your half of the bill.

Sometimes you have sex when you don't want to. Sometimes you receive shiny gifts and money as a token of gratitude. If you weren't having sex, you wouldn't receive nice gifts. Does that make you a prostitute? Probably not, but I'm not one to make those distinctions

[imTony]

Who says that oral sex is to be enjoyed by the receiver only?

And that road goes both ways, my friends. :)

[stillnosheep]

cute girls are just girls who want the cool gaijin boyfriend, but when you talk to them it's like a blow-up doll that talks back.....

anikikokushi,

You've obviously been consorting with the wrong class of blow-up doll. You need the de-luxe international businesswoman version. I'm fairly sure that 's what she was. Why else would she have needed two working offices...?

sns

[madmaxxam]

madmax - Jack Black__Tenacious D__F* Her Gently

Ah, of course. Now I remember. I was trying to explain that song to Maki the other day. That was fun.

[madmaxxam]

In my experience I have found what kurogane has said to be true....cute girls are just girls who want the cool gaijin boyfriend, but when you talk to them it's like a blow-up doll that talks back.....

Yeah, I want the model that doesn't talk back. That's the problem with women after all... they always have something to say, and once they're talking they want you to do things for them... oy vey!

Actually, and on another issue. I've managed to always be very lucky with the women in that I don't think I've had a relationship where I've spent more on the woman than she's spent on me. Of course, my girlfriend has always made at least as much/more than me. And it's not like the lack of spending money means that services aren't rendered. Maybe I've never been serviced with anything other than food in a restaurant, but I'm well taken care of in private.

Oh, and it's not like I don't offer to pay for things ever. It's just that the constant perception of my poverty causes the women to want to pay their half/treat me occasionally. I guess I'm just one lucky SOB.

[Morning Star]

Madmax, you can play the poverty card until you're about 30, after that they'll just think you're a loser. Milk it for all its worth until you hit that magic number... you saw Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, right? Give them a story about how you're sending all your cash home to help grandma with her operation.

[madmaxxam]

Madmax, you can play the poverty card until you're about 30, after that they'll just think you're a loser. Milk it for all its worth until you hit that magic number... you saw Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, right? Give them a story about how you're sending all your cash home to help grandma with her operation.

Of course I saw dirty rotten scoundrels, and of course I'll stop playing the poverty card once I actually am set up with a good profession. Truth be told though, I might have 8 more years of schooling ahead of me. I'm trying to go for an MD/PhD back in the states after my research here. At least those are funded and stipended(sic?), so I won't be very poor.

Here though, my girlfriend is a bit older than me, and a working woman, as I'm sure everyone well knows by now. Back in NYC, while I was still in college, I spent much of my time dating another student, and we both would have been poor, but she was in the very lucrative business of exotic dancing. I more often did the time consuming things, such as cooking, and was an emotional pillar, while she ended up paying for more meals, and taking me out on some expensive dates (like to a spa). I treated her when I could, but she really did have a lot more money than me. (I always envied her shoving all those $100 bills into an envelope and putting it in the ATM.)

[stillnosheep]

And so the question then follows...how do you reciprocate the public and/or private bj?.

Nip up the stairs of the club. Lower her jeans (if she was wearing a skirt surely you wouldn't need this advice) and away you go, see, it's easy.

[Morning Star]

Hey sns,
I nipped upstairs, lowered her jeans, now what do I do? She's got panties on. Hurry up, she's waiting for your response.

[Da Gster]

Well Person
I see it like a favour. Im am always thankful to her after. The BJ is most appropriate for those times that you haven’t been able to do it for a while and wont be able to in the foreseeable future. E.g. during that time of the month, or perhaps in the months that follow giving birth or in when those pesky in laws come to visit for a week in your small apartment. If there hasn’t been and will not be sex for a while, it is a great form of release for guys. You’ve got to remember that for us guys it is a type of tension that keeps building up. I always look at it like something for me to release the tension – sort of like a massage. I give my wife back massages all the time when shes tired or stressed. I liken it to that. Im not a back massage person but Ill take the BJ instead.

[anikikokushi]

It's not that I'm a yarichin or playboy, but when you start talking to a new girl and like the first night you end up in a love motel.....well....I really don't want to see her the next day.....I mean how many other dudes did she get with? and I kissed those lips?....I kissed like half the gaijin population in tokyo....I need a shower......
So on and on it goes searching for the right one......with disease free lips hopefully.....
and not that I mind a good conversation, but a good conversation doesn't include the word(nani) every 2 seconds.....

[kurogane]

You may not be a yarichin, or even a preyboy, but you are definitely a chauvinist. What's good for the gander is only good for the goose when the gander decides so?

Wash your head out with soap young man. Might get that taste of dried other men's protein off your lips, too ;)

As for the ""nani, nani" conversations, you have a soul mate right here. That sh&t is driving me up the F&in wall.

[Da Gster]

Yeah man! Maybe she just wants to show you that she likes you. Maybe she doesnt know whats OK by western standards and is just trying to show that shes not totally old fashioned. Maybe she hasnt been with a guy for ages and wanted some attention........ etc etc

[Dr.Drew]

By the way, who ever said that girls don't enjoy it??!!

One of my Japanese ex-FF (not GF, just sex partner, mind you) used to be koo-koo for the ****...anytime, anywhere. She blew me while I was driving, while we were out walking in the park, even on the top level of a parking lot...with office windows above us in full view!! (talk about getting the virtual "high-5s" from all the jealous Salarymen)

In any case, she absolutely loved giving head...it made her wet as an ocean, and she told me she totally got off on having the power to control a man and bring him to orgasm with just her hands and mouth...

So, to make a long and probably too-graphic story short, women also enjoy the public BJ. Nuff said!! ;)

[madmaxxam]

So, to make a long and probably too-graphic story short, women also enjoy the public BJ. Nuff said!! ;)

Not all women Drew... in fact, probably a small portion of women. And my ex absolutely hated anything to do with blowjobs, public or not. It's all about finding that type of girl in general, i.e. one who is obsessed with things sexual.

[person]

Yes, I've heard arguments on both sides. Some women find it demeening, subservient, etc. Other women find it COMPLETELY opposite. I mean, for some women, the fact is they are in control. After all, you have what is perhaps the most important thing (for some men) in your...well, you know. Certainly, part of that speaks to trust. However, for some women, what a powerful feeling to see what you are capable of doing...with a little help from Nature. Satisfaction on both sides of the...highly possible. Of course, all of this is just hearsay. I speak not from experience. I'm just always listening to those other girls.

Good day, boys!

[stillnosheep]

Hey sns,
I nipped upstairs, lowered her jeans, now what do I do? She's got panties on.You date women who wear panties? Sorry. Can't help you there mate.

[Code Rot]

This thread is so vapid, I can't believe it. Who the hell cares about whether a cool Japanese girl is better than a cute Japanese girl? What's the difference between "cute" (kawaii) and "cool" (kakkoi) anyway? You guys out there should realise that there are more pressing problems in the world today. For example, America is going badly in the Iraq War at the moment, and there is a chance that America could lose the war, which would be a humiliating disaster. I don't mean to be a party pooper, but we are in the middle of a war here. Who cares whether "cute Japanese girls" are better than "cool Japanese girls", especially when semantically it is difficult to differentiate between them? Cute girls are cool girls. Cool girls are cute girls. There is no difference between them, as far as I can see.

[stillnosheep]

This thread is so vapid, America is going badly in the Iraq War at the moment.
..........

[madmaxxam]

This thread is so vapid, I can't believe it. Who the hell cares about whether a cool Japanese girl is better than a cute Japanese girl? What's the difference between "cute" (kawaii) and "cool" (kakkoi) anyway? You guys out there should realise that there are more pressing problems in the world today. For example, America is going badly in the Iraq War at the moment, and there is a chance that America could lose the war, which would be a humiliating disaster. I don't mean to be a party pooper, but we are in the middle of a war here. Who cares whether "cute Japanese girls" are better than "cool Japanese girls", especially when semantically it is difficult to differentiate between them? Cute girls are cool girls. Cool girls are cute girls. There is no difference between them, as far as I can see.

So what are you saying? Is war cute or cool? I'm not sure I understand your message, not since this thread has turned me into a vapid airhead.

Seriously though, can't people have fun still? I mean, it's not like people are treating this thread very seriously. Just because it's a time of war in Iraq, with America involved doesn't mean that everyone has to stop having fun. Lighten up a bit, laugh at or ignore the vapid discussions, and get on with your life.

[imTony]

The US losing the war would be the best thing for this world as a whole; let's hope that happens.

Oops - I didn't mean to derail this thread, too...................................

[imTony]

Anyway, I think "mature and intelligent" is better than either cute or cool.

[Morning Star]

Losing the war in Iraq: Cool!
Starving children: Cute!
Greenhouse effect: Cool!
Endangered species: Cute!

Code Rot, don't be a party pooper, at least try to stay on topic. Where were we, talking about the BJ, I think. I belive Person brought up the point that she loves the slurp-slurp sound that's made.

[stillnosheep]

Morning dump: terminally uncool!

(and very unlikely to be cute either...)

[Morning Star]

Keep trolling sns, you'll get sensei soon.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. It must be difficult being an eikaiwa sensei, the lowest form of life in the gaijin foodchain. Go home after a hard day of saying, "This is a pen," and take your frustrations of a meaningless existence out on the people who love you. And pity you.

[gentleman quality]

If you want to talk about war, politics, or anything serious, please go to japantoday.com.
gaijinpot is all about happy stuff.
this war talk is totally starting to kill my buzz.

[madmaxxam]

If you want to talk about war, politics, or anything serious, please go to japantoday.com.
gaijinpot is all about happy stuff.
this war talk is totally starting to kill my buzz.

I've tried plenty a time to stop the war/political talk/flame wars then end up starting in some of these threads GQ. I think it's a lost cause. Sometimes people need an audience that they can rant to behind a veil of anonymity.

[imTony]

MM,

I'm admit I'm guilty of taking part in those war/political talk/flame wars. It isn't because of the anonymity, though. I just get angry about politics and can't help it. Sorry about that - I'll try to stop.

[madmaxxam]

MM,

I'm admit I'm guilty of taking part in those war/political talk/flame wars. It isn't because of the anonymity, though. I just get angry about politics and can't help it. Sorry about that - I'll try to stop.

Everyone has their own reasons, and you haven't been an instigator, so much as someone that tends more to feed fuel to the trolls. Just remember that 99% of the time arguing politics on a forum like this is like shouting at a brick wall. The only difference is that the sound waves might start to break apart the brick wall after a few centuries of constant yelling.

[imTony]

Fair enough. Next time I'll bite my lip (or sit on my hands) as I read.

[person]

Well done, Morning Star - "A" for effort. Trying to get back on topic...to the important things...

Yet, didn't I say "hearsay"? Not a good cover?

[ali_gore]

I love how what seems so innocent topics turn it great sexology post.
If only I can find a girl like the ones you descibe and mind you I am also a girl. I'm planning on moving to Japan and I'm feeling that my sex life is about to go on hold.

[madmaxxam]

I love how what seems so innocent topics turn it great sexology post.
If only I can find a girl like the ones you descibe and mind you I am also a girl. I'm planning on moving to Japan and I'm feeling that my sex life is about to go on hold.

I'm sure that you'll be able to have some fun in Japan, especially if you're in one of the major cities. And think about this at least; If it really is that hard to find lesbian Japanese women there should be plenty of lesbian gaijin to choose from. Chin up (or down, depending on what you're doing.)

[ali_gore]

I'm sure that you'll be able to have some fun in Japan, especially if you're in one of the major cities. And think about this at least; If it really is that hard to find lesbian Japanese women there should be plenty of lesbian gaijin to choose from. Chin up (or down, depending on what you're doing.)

I guess your right. Hopfully I want have to search that hard. And its when I'm really deep into it.

[Morning Star]

Huh?!
Sorry, I only caught the hard and really deep into it part.

Are you sure you're not a man, Ali?

[ali_gore]

Well Morning Star, I think the pink fuzzy bunny thinks so. When I said "hard", I meant searching for a lady. And when I said "when I'm really deep into it" I mean with the uses of my tongue

[Morning Star]

That settles it.
Until you find a woman, then, you can hang out with me and practice on my poop-shoot... god it's been a long time since I've had a good rim job. Just out of curiosity, what role do you play in the lesbian relationship... the butch or the femme?

Madmaxx was right, plenty of lesbo gaijins here... Well, maybe not lesbian, but they haven't had any action in sooo long they'll be willing to try anything.

[ali_gore]

as far as in the bed wise. i'm a switcher. i don't like doing all the work cause i likes to be pet too. now when i'm outside of the bed. im more femme even though i can be butch at times.

i dated a girl who was deep in to softball and butchy. (which is a big thing among lesbians were im at) but it didn't last long. first i really don't like watching sports excluding swimming and tennis and i only do them for exercise. second if i wanted a man then I would be with a man and she was too manly for me. cute but manly. I didn’t mind her being butch at times but all the time.

i like girls (occasionally I may go for a man). especially the ones that give me a challenge. those are the ones that say there not lesbians. i mean ive change a couple in my time. so maybe my sex life won’t go dry. hope this long drawn out post answered your question morning star

[person]

Please don't interpret this as a challenge, ali_gore, but I feel compelled to make this point (in response to Morning Star's post) -

In the past, no matter how long I went without a man, I do not think I would have ever turned to a woman. Why? Because I'm not a lesbian. Sexuality is on a continuum; of this I am aware. However, I don't think "going without", boredom, etc. would force someone - or at least most heterosexuals for that matter - to be willing to try anything (or anyone for that matter). That's absurd. Further, no one - no matter how "tempting" - can "change" someone's sexuality. If someone experiments/crosses over/ what have you, the desire was there to begin with. I imagine you can see where I fall (generally speaking) on the Nature vs. Nuture issue. As I said, change someone else's sexuality? Hard to imagine...particularly when I can find it so hard to change other less important things about myself.

Could go on...and maybe this isn't stated as well as it could/should be, but...there you have it. And now comes the commentary...

[madmaxxam]

Well person, I see it pretty much as you see it. There are people that will associate themselves as homosexual or heterosexual and yet still might have curiosity in the other direction. I really doubt ali would waste much time on someone who didn't fall into this category. She might try, but usually the signs you get would be much more flat out negative. Sometimes though, someone says no, and yet you can see that they aren't all that serious in their negative response.

As a straigt man who has been in many akward situations with homosexual men, I've sort of seen what type of behavior can and can't stop this type of behavior. People have, on 2 or 3 occasions tried to 'convert' me. Usually I'm a bit too flirty though, and send out mixed signals, which sort of sets in their minds "He says he's straight, but I think I have a shot here." Of course, it also doesn't help that about half the people that meet me have a first impression of "he's gay." Who knows, maybe I'll experiment at some point in my life, probably one night when I get drunk and shouldn't, but I don't think I'd ever be converted. No man could ever convince me to stop having a strong interest in women.

[ali_gore]

person im sorry if i made it seem that why. What i meant was what madmaxxam was explaining. i wouldn’t try to go for girls who didn't fall in the category he explain. you can call it a six sense or whatever but i can see if someone claims not to be interested but really is. i’m not saying that i haven’t made a mistake or that i pray on any girl. i have lot of girlfriends who are just that friends. they like men and i like women and that’s that. most people don’t even realize that im a lesbian. not that they should. i don’t go around with a poster that says it.

my point is i can understand where your both coming from and i pretty much know who to play with and who not to.

[Code Rot]

Every woman in Japan may be cute (even the ugly ones). But on the other hand, there are absolutely no cool women in Japan.
Because when you think about what the word "cool" means -- distant, unobtainable, cynical, detached, unemotional, world-weary, world-wise, streetwise, etc, etc -- this adjective cannot possibly be used to describe the Japanese female.
Japanese girls are certainly cute, the cutest in the world.
But try as hard as they do, they consistently break the rules of coolness.
Going to Disneyland is not "cool". Sleeping with teddy bears and a Paul McCartney poster over your bed when you are 28 years old is not cool either. It's cute though, and I have grown to like it. But you wouldn't get far in the popularity circles in New York or London if you exhibited this kind of behavior. Falling for gaijin rejects and thinking they look like David Beckham is, again, not cool. It could possibly be considered cute. I am not complaining. I accept Japan for what it is. There is not as much pressure here to make your jokes funny, because people will laugh anyway. That is cute. But is not cool.

[Morning Star]

Coderot;
I have to disagree with your assessment of Cute and Cool. By your definition, cool is:
unobtainable, cynical, detached, unemotional, world-weary, world-wise, streetwise

My own definition, of course, differs considerably. The girls you meet on a day to day basis in English classes and behind the counter at the supermarket are guaranteed not to have those "qualities." The damaseru onnas in Ginza fit your profile to a T. You know, the ones with the Chanel glasses, Vuitton bags, Hermes scarf, etc,... hanging on the arm of an impotent, wealthy sponsor.

But on the other hand, there are absolutely no cool women in Japan.
Hey, you know better than that. Its an awfully Myopic statement.

[Morning Star]

People have, on 2 or 3 occasions tried to 'convert' me. Usually I'm a bit too flirty though, and send out mixed signals, which sort of sets in their minds "He says he's straight, but I think I have a shot here." Who knows, maybe I'll experiment at some point in my life, probably one night when I get drunk and shouldn't,
Jeezus, Madmaxx. I don't know if you're baiting me or what. Anyway, let's get together sometime and go out for drinks. After that we can play a little ball, I'll be the pitcher and you can be the catcher. We'll ride your dog home just in time to tuck your girlfriend into bed.

[madmaxxam]

Jeezus, Madmaxx. I don't know if you're baiting me or what. Anyway, let's get together sometime and go out for drinks. After that we can play a little ball, I'll be the pitcher and you can be the catcher. We'll ride your dog home just in time to tuck your girlfriend into bed.

Trust me monring star, not baiting you. Although I'm sure I'd get a good laugh out of watching you try. Besides, your gaijin _____ is way too big for me. I should experiment with a nice, short Japanese boy. Maybe someone who's like 160 cm. Anyway, it's nothing I'm planning, but neither was jumping off the Dotonbori. Sometimes you just get carried away in the moment. It's also a lot of fun playing "Convince the gay guy I'm straight", so I'll stick to that for now.

[Da Gster]

According to statistics height has little influence on size. Neither does foot size. Apparently the only relationsip sared between the big boys is the age at which they started thinking about sex and masturbating. Apparently the younger the bigger.

[madmaxxam]

Apparently the younger the bigger.

This is where Da Gster starts extolling his sexual experimentation from the ripe old age of 6. I quite honest couldn't answre the question, even though I'm still so young. I mean, what guys remember exactly when they started playing around with themselves? I didn't mark it on my calendar "5 year anniversary of first jerk today."

I guess my point is that I don't know how such a study can be done reliably. I'm sure many people would just take a guess at the age more than anything else.

[kurogane]

So which is it, then? If you can remember at precisely what age you began Practising with Pete (Working Out with Willie? Dancing with ____?), does that make you Cute, or Cool? Or just Da Gster?

PS Coderot, somewhere above you called this thread "vapid". Was that a different way of you saying to yourself, "This is right up my alley" ? Meow, scratch, bite

Madmaxxam,
Do you get hit on by guys that much? I used to, esp. here (as opposed to home). One thing I found that helps is to avoid direct eye contact when greeting. This seems to be a kind of accepted code here among Men Who Kick with the Other Foot. Unless you kinda like it. It is nice to be thought of, after all. :p

[madmaxxam]

Actually... much more back home than I do here in Japan. I really can't count the number of times I've been hit on back in the states, and I'm only 21 don't forget. The worst is when it's a friend of a friend, and you can't be too mean, otherwise your friends will think you're an ___. If I got it here, I really didn't notice it. Then again, I haven't been hitting the bar scene too much. I bet if I started going to a gym though...

[kurogane]

Naruheso.
I was always hit on at bars here, back when I was young and ever Oh, So Buff. I can see how a friend of friend thing would be tough. In the end, Take it as a Compliment is how I look at it.

Do you think gyms here are a gay scene? I wanted to join a gym, but I have always found getting hit on here much more tiresome than at home, simply becasue even a flat out NO! isn't enough to discourage someone in the full throes of Gaijin Fever. Funny thing is, the few times people got detailed enough for me to figure out what they wanted, it turns out I was always being recruited as the Sally, even though I am usually much taller and bigger. That is one Foreign Culture I still don't get.

[Morning Star]

guys remember exactly when they started playing around with themselves?

Ahhh my first self-exploratory session, I'll never forget it, or the day. It was a tuesday night 15 years ago, and we had an inter-scholastic math competition field trip scheduled for the next day. I was downloading some great 640x480x256 porn onto my computer at 2400 baud from a BBS called, "Legion HQ." As each pixel-height line of flesh came onto the screen I got more and more excited. After about 6 hours of pumping the well, it finally spit out some pearls and I thought, "No wonder they call it going blind, I was almost consumed by my passion and rendered unconscious." By that time the sun was coming up and I had to get ready for school.

Needless to say the next day at the math competition I utterly failed my team, but it was worth it. In fact, from that point on I started failing my classes and had very little incentive to try hard at anything happily ever after.

[sincity]

Besides, your gaijin _____ is way too big for me. I should experiment with a nice, short Japanese boy. Maybe someone who's like 160 cm. Anyway, it's nothing I'm planning, but neither was jumping off the Dotonbori. Sometimes you just get carried away in the moment.

Maxie (you are cute),
Japanese boys are not necessarily nice or short but that's not really germane....What I want to say is that you really strike me as a boy in need of some manhandling. By your own admission you're effeminate/bi-curious. Ever catch yourself fantasizing about riding Kurogane's avatar? Nothing to be ashamed of...Know this about me: I celebrate all things sexual.

Morning Star (you are cool),
Blow jobs, rim jobs, fudge-packing etc....Of late you've been tackling these testy topics with such aplomb. It's good to see a man take pleasure in his own posts. Has Maxie got you revved up? I'm with you, brother. We must somehow lure him to Tokyo (wouldn't that be like a deer caught in the headlights?) and introduce him to the Kanto Crunch. We could start things off with a man-sandwich on the Tobu-tojo line.

[kurogane]

Morning Star,
My faith in Geekdom has been restored. I thank you for those Pearls of Wisdom.
PS

640x480x256 porn onto my computer at 2400 baud from a BBS called, "Legion HQ."
DOOOD, I like so remember Legion HQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MS & sincity,
Are you guys Riders of the Pocky Highway???? Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course!

[Bluedog]

" We could start things off with a man-sandwich on the Tobu-tojo line."

Some people have complained about the amount of off-topic ramblings of late, but it's for posts like these that we get up in the mornings my bruvvas.

And no, gyms here aren't so gay, there's the odd oggler, but he's possibly just perplexed by my proportions. I actually find the onsen more of a gayathon and have a few bad experiences in mind. Getting offered a drink in a bar is not a problem, it's getting your ___ touched when everyone is wet and shiny naked that bothers me. I've realised though, that it's just jealousy. Homos can get soaped up with a bunch of nude tackle-dangling doods for free and I'd have to pay if I wanted to get into soapland, let alone into the women's onsen. Maybe batting for the other side is not such a bad idea, come to think of it....

[kurogane]

Cool. Many Pocky to you. My deltoids are relieved. I really do need to start going to a gym or something. Being ogled I can live with. It is the tiresome come on in the bars that ruins my Happy Beer Time.
As for those people that complain about "Off Topic" posts, how do they think I got to be called Grand Master Poobah, by sticking to only those threads that interest me? Some people are so selfish. They never even begin to think of poor little Kurogane.

[ali_gore]

Oh I luv u guys. I could read all of your posts all day.

[madmaxxam]

Do you think gyms here are a gay scene? I wanted to join a gym, but I have always found getting hit on here much more tiresome than at home, simply becasue even a flat out NO! isn't enough to discourage someone in the full throes of Gaijin Fever.

I had no clue about gyms here... I'll trust what Bluedog says. I was just thinking of a couple of bad incidents at the gym in my hometown where I would work out, maybe when I was 18, 19. Of course, it was always guys like 30 years old or more. Even if I did try some bi-curiosity, it wouldn't be by joining NAMBLA. Of course, during my college days in NYC my gf and sister would notice guys checking me out whenever I was downtown (oh wait... I was always downtown). Fortunately in NYC the gay bars are quite clearly marked, so I didn't get hit on much at the bar scene.

Sincity: Like I said, maybe some day I'll explore some bisexual something... but I think Maki would get a bit too jealous. And of course, she actually told me the following things:

1) "I thought you were gay until you ****ed me".

A few weeks later:

2) "You must be gay". "Really Maki, if I was gay, why would I be ****ing you all the time?" "I still think you're gay."

The point is, she would never let me forget it.

[ali_gore]

i like bisexual men. i don't know they kinda turn me own.

[madmaxxam]

i like bisexual men. i don't know they kinda turn me own.

You know, you're not the first woman to say that. You don't know why though? It seems to me that the only reason bi-sexuality should matter in a relationship is if there is any desire for a threesome, or some similar situation.

[kurogane]

Maki would get a bit too jealous. And of course, she actually told me the following things:
1) "I thought you were gay until you ****ed me".
A few weeks later:
2) "You must be gay". "Really Maki, if I was gay, why would I be ****ing you all the time?" "I still think you're gay."
The point is, she would never let me forget it.

I peed myself laughing about Maki's suspicions over you, man. Natsukashiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!

I spent seven very nice years trying to convince my ex that I am, in fact a hetrosexual. In the end, I think I failed. While we were going out, the reasons were as follows:
I have a large and muscular bum, which implies effeminate-ness
I have very long eyelashes for a guy, which implies effeminate-ness
I used to have blonde hair, which also apparently implies effeminate-ness
I am goofy, which also apparently implies effeminate-ness
I entered her Shinjuku South Exit by mistake once (honest!), which (to her) definitely implied Homosexual Tendencies
When we broke up, she told some of her GFs that she thought it was because I was gay. Of course, they asked if we still had conjugal knobblies. She replied: "Oh, of course. Sometimes three times a day."

My impression of their impression is that effeminacy, so defined, and homosexuality are necessarily linked. I also think they like F%&ing with our heads. Not that we don't love them for it. And what better excuse to avoid the Sexless Marrigae trap than having something to prove to her?
As for the bisexual explorations, dude, stay away from Men. They are pigs (all the women I know say so), and besides, instead of boobies, curvies and love gloves, they have this hairy bulbous membrane between their legs (a lot like the ones you and I both have). I already know what Mine looks like, I want to see what the other side of the street has between her legs.

[Morning Star]

Kurochan;

You went in the out-door by accident? Either her cornhole has an echo or you could use your tare to pick a lock. My ex also used to love to say I was gay; I wonder if it's cultural or we really are gay and just don't know it.

Can't you see that MadMax is curious? Don't discourage him...
MadMax, If you really want to find out what it's like, do some cos-play with Maki. Both of you get nice and drunk, pull out the strap-on and tell her to pretend she's a man. Make sure she angles down a little bit to really massage the prostate and include the reach-around. I think you'll have a night that neither of you will ever forget, even if you want to.

[kurogane]

Actually, she helped me through the wrong gate, but we were stoned, and she had already come six times, so things were pretty slack all over the polar region. If my Tare could pick a lock, it wouldn't have been a problem, as it would have been a little pin prick at best. Unfortunately, she sat all the way down on it, screamed like a banshee, and poor old Black Iron boy was playing solo for the best of a month. Anyhoo, the upshot is that because "I" entered her back door (being the guy, it was always my fault, even when she was on top and allegedly in control), that must mean I have a thing for anal sex, therefore I am gay. And No, the argument that hetro-sexual anal exploration was a different thing did nothing to damage her confidence in her ludicrous hypothesis.
I reiterate, MY _____ IS NOT SMALL DAMMIT.
Now me go and cry in corner.
As for the weird trysexual stuff, if you happy, me happy for you.

[madmaxxam]

I reiterate, MY _____ IS NOT SMALL DAMMIT.
Now me go and cry in corner.
As for the weird trysexual stuff, if you happy, me happy for you.

Nothing accidental is going to happen here. Maki once wanted to try the southern approach, but practically screamed and ran away when we tried. Don't think I'll ever get another chance with her after that. Because of that, Maki has been joking about getting a cucumber (or other such vegetable, sometimes she says eggplant and I wince) from the supermarket and using it on me. Don't think she actually would though. She's says lots of things that she wouldn't do. Just realized that this is still the 'cute or cool' thread. We've diverged greatly from things both cute and cool.

[kurogane]

A lightly boiled, peeled carrot can do wonders to help in the initial exploration of the South Pole (again, no connection with the Sally Yoshino movie of the same name).
Cover it with whipped cream, just for fun, and a crapload of gel.
Funny thing was, I was never allowed to forget that first little mistake either. But, in the end, I was more Amundsen than Scott (i.e. I got there). I think they like the wet pinky treatment so much that they think it will be even better with the real equipment. It can be done, but I think Maki's response is the normal one, at least in my experience. As Scott was foiled in his attempts to reach the South Pole, so...................
AND MY _____ IS NOT SMALL DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:p

[madmaxxam]

AND MY _____ IS NOT SMALL DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:p

No one is accusing you Kurogane. Why the defensive?

[kurogane]

No, really, it's NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, at least in this country.

JFA, man. :p
Thanks for the support though. Night all.

[person]

This is one of those messages that, even while writing it, you know it's a bad idea...but, alas, these are the ones I feel compelled to post...

So, what's all the hoopla about going "south"? Not clear why it's such a big deal, a bad thing, etc. Seems it gets a bad...rap so to speak...at least from what the other girls tell me.

Just wondering...

And what's the deal with vegetables? Veggies are for dinner...nothing else. That's why some higher power gave you body parts. Use those. Just a suggestion...

[Morning Star]

Back in highschool, I went exclusively for the South Pole. (damn my conservative upbringing). I learned a lot about it, and she reciprocated by giving me enemas. As a man, there's nothing more satisfying or soul-cleansing than having your intestines flushed.

On a personal note; I no longer have the desire nor the courage to shove my love rocket up anyone's mudslide. I see it as more of a last resort to tell a girl that "it's over, I don't love you or respect you anymore, and let me show you how."

[person]

Very, very interesting. Completely opposite...for some people.

For example, that place might be reserved for...special people. Only people someone trusts. One reason might be the incredible way it feels...for both parties...from what I'm told. So, in that sense, it's an...honor...maybe even a privilege for someone to be allowed there.

Yet, you look at it completely differently than those I've talked to. Hmmm.......

The benefits of a forum...learning and sharing. Very...worthwhile.

And, as for what you wrote about a conservative upbringing...going "there" seems to be as UNconservative as you can get. For most, that's like...you don't go there. Doing so is "bad", etc. So, I'm not sure where you were brought up...or why it's considered conservative (you mean, so the two of you don't get pregnant?), but...completely opposite where I come from. And, in terms of conservative middle-America, I don't think the Midwest gets any more than that (albeit Chicago is a little better than, say, rural Illinois).

[Morning Star]

As far as the midwest goes, how about suburban Michigan?
conservative = no sex before marriage. I liberally interpretted this as, "anything but intercourse before marriage is fine." Somehow that didn't stop my girlfriend from claiming she was pregnant on more than one occasion.

back to the 'sharing.' I've got a long story I'll try to make short.
I was going out with a girl who had a boyfriend that I didn't know about. One night we ran into each other on the street and afterwards she told me it was her b/f. The b/f was pissed with her and broke up, I found it humorous and never went out with her again. Later I ran into the b/f at an onsen and we ended up drinking til 3am. During this time he told me what a gaijin-hunter slut that girl was, and the only reason he went out with her is because she liked to take it up the a$$.

True or not, it doesn't paint a pretty picture and I was easily discouraged from picking up his leftovers.

[Morning Star]

Now, I hate to reveal my insecurities on these forums, but something has been bothering me lately... not related to Cute or Cool, but on the current topic.

My girlfriend says that most guys she's gone out with have checked her oil, even though she says it's uncomfortable, she didn't like it, and when they did it just wanted them to hurry up and finish. I asked her if she doesn't like it, why let them do it in the first place? Well, she can't set boundaries while they're in the act.

So now I feel bad because she's made it clear to me that she doesn't like it, and yet other guys she's gone out with have disregarded this and plowed her cornhole anyway. Should I see this as a challenge? Maybe she was jealous because I told her about my exclusively anal/bj/hj relationship... In what other way could I humiliate and defile her that some other ex-b/f hasn't thought of already, that would make me more special?

[sincity]

For example, that place might be reserved for...special people. Only people someone trusts. One reason might be the incredible way it feels...for both parties...from what I'm told. So, in that sense, it's an...honor...maybe even a privilege for someone to be allowed there.

The benefits of a forum...learning and sharing. Very...worthwhile.

C'mon Person, get your finger out of your butt, will ya?!
I've done some industrial plumbing in my day but I've never considered it to be an honor or privilege, and you wouldn't either if you'd ever scraped flecks of sh*t off your ____. And what's with your "from what I'm told" disclaimers? Second-hand accounts of anal sex are of no value and cannot be trusted. You earn the privilege to talk about gaping holes only when you've "felt the love."

I'm not saying I don't like it mind you...But it's mostly a power trip. An ___ f**k is a head f**k.

Morning Star,
Poignant stuff (lol). Hmmm, other ways to humiliate her... If I were you, I'd make a big stink about her pussy farts. Cry foul and refuse to believe they are innocuous. Maybe get them on tape.

[madmaxxam]

Well, the direction of this conversation has seemed to go beyond me. I've always seen the view of 'anal is for that special someone' kind of odd. The only reason for that is it is a power trip, so maybe the girl doesn't want any other guy to have that kind of power over her. It's not some deep, intimate, caring act though. Well... maybe deep...

[person]

Person laughs...

Boys and girls - or well, maybe just person - can be so different.

What fun to learn from each other...thank goodness for forums...particularly anonymous ones ;)

[Morning Star]

So Person, is that your timid way of admitting you love to take it up the hershey highway?

C'mon, you can tell us... it's anonymous!

[Morning Star]

Sincity;

Unfortunately, the current g/f doesn't have a problem with labial flatulence. I am considering putting a toilet seat on her head and giving her a golden shower, though.
If she'll just... sit...still... long enough.

[anikikokushi]

Well to tell the truth The whole Anal Concept is a big power trip......I usually reserve it for those special ho's who I see in roppongi or shibuya, like 2 days after we had sex, with another gaijin.........I plan a great date at yoshinoya, then i tell her i don't have any money and can she get the bill......then we go back to her place where i beat the guts......now by this time sometimes they are crying so i throw her one of my dirty socks tell her its over.....take a couple of her cd's or some train money and leave...........................I don't know....is this usual behaviour?....I mean F$#k it.....it was a beautiful night!

[Morning Star]

This happens often? Or usually?

It seems like perfectly normal and perfectly healthy behavior to me. Next time you find one call me up and we can have a surprise tag-team match.

[anikikokushi]

It happens enough to where now I have quite a collection of japanese CD's as well as many missing socks so that I always wear non-matchings ones.....but like I said....it was a beautiful night......
on another note the whole anal with japanese chicks is cool cause when they say(itai .....itai......I'm like...."I don't speak japanese....and just bang harder....!

[sincity]

So give us a number. How many ___-bangs since the divorce? I believe the bit about the CDs. Take them to a second-hand shop. Use the proceeds to treat your next ho to a pork bowl at Yoshinoya. And who needs F'in socks in this country?

I know, I know, construction worker humor, right? Well I happen to be an elitist snob. I don't obect to you (how could I?) ravishing every woman you meet but try to do it with a little class. Whenever I pull my pole out of the poo hole I check her for lesions and apply a soothing ointment when necessary. I don't nick her CD's, I sing her this song:
I really don't mind
That you got no tits
Cuz nothing in the world
Smells as sweet as your sh*t.

That little ditty always brings tears (of joy) to their eyes.
I then blow kisses to them as I walk out the door and jump in the limo waiting below.
Now that is what I call a beautiful night.

Scum like you should be fed to swine.

[anikikokushi]

Sincity is like gods gift to the ladies.......Maybe I should come follow you around one night to rifine my beating guts technique.....on another note I relly like the song...if you don't mind I'd like to use that next time...but I promise to let the girl know that it is not an original
Right now my gut-beating # is in the double digits, hopefully it won't get larger or I will quickly have to sell the cd's so i can buy new socks

[JBS3009]

Excellent! But still, we are no closer to solving the complex universal debate of cute versus cool.

Personally, I bat for the cute team! And let it be known that that I wish nothing but ill for those who badmouth the cute variety! Morning Musume`s Mari Yaguuchi and, oh... who could forget Kyoko Fukada of "Minami-kun no Koibito" fame, certainly must be at the epitome of sex appeal for any man!
Umm... right? I am now edging towards the window, which although 14 storeys high, could provide a handy escape should that last suggestion attract a violent reaction from 'cool team' afficionados who discover my wherabouts.

[Morning Star]

Sometimes I think it's possible to be so cute that they are actually cool. I know that I'm blurring the boundaries of this discussion, but look at that one talent chick... I don't know her name, but the loquacious one that sings and dances and advertises tea. I'm thinking of a commercial where she's pouring herself a glass of tea while singing, "pu, pu, pu, pu, pu," drinks the tea and says, "Ahhhh!"
You know what I'm talking about? She's really cute, but in a calculated way, so I think she might be cool.

[kurogane]

MS,
That was the most F'ed up thing you have written yet on here. Thank you for that. Sooo, is it cute to be cool, or cool to be cute? To be honest, the distinction escaped me most of the time. Cute, after all, is the defining point of cool here.

As for all that weird discussion about the Poop Chute, you guys really are a bunch of screamin' misogynist whoremongers. And this is me talkin', dammit.

I do agree, however, that the whole idea of anal with most J-girls is almost cruel. At a grossly general Cultural Level, they think it is dirty, being an exit for Polluting Material, and at a personal level, proportional incongruities alone make for a non-mutually satisfactory experience. Having said that, some of them come like freight trains when you ram their caboose from the back side. Strange, but true.
Anyway, I'm with Madmaxxam. You guys are, like, weerd. :p

[Gaijin de Moscu]

Sometimes I think it's possible to be so cute that they are actually cool. I know that I'm blurring the boundaries of this discussion, but look at that one talent chick... I don't know her name, but the loquacious one that sings and dances and advertises tea. I'm thinking of a commercial where she's pouring herself a glass of tea while singing, "pu, pu, pu, pu, pu," drinks the tea and says, "Ahhhh!"
You know what I'm talking about? She's really cute, but in a calculated way, so I think she might be cool.

Surprisingly, I had a long and interesting discussion with my g/f on this the other week. She told me the whole history of cuteness, and gave me the name of that first actress (now over 50) who brought this cultural phenomena to life in her youth.

She also said that there are two types of Kawaii: real Kawaii based on your personality (which I translated to myself as 'sweetness/goodness of character') and the pretend Kawaii to make men feel they are stronger and more important. The second type of Kawaii was the one created by that actress and it can actually be Kakkoii if played right. The first one can never be Kakkoii, because it's real Kawaii. At least, this is how I interpreted what she said.

Hmm. I am making any sense at all? I guess I am confirming what you just said.

[Gaijin de Moscu]

Hmm. I am making any sense at all? I guess I am confirming what you just said.

Nope, I was apparently talking out of my ___.

Here is The Truth on the Kakkoii-Kawaii blurring:

It's the Kakkoii lady who can be Kawaii at heart (not vice versa). Kawaii lady can never be Kakkoii. That's all there is to it. No other interpretation. Final word said by my g/f with unquestionable authority.

Some facts:

The singer who introduced the Kawaii concept of Kawaii-ko burikko (pretend Kawaii) is called Seiko Matsuda.

The tea advertising lady mentioned by Morning Star - is it Aya Matsuura? To my g/f, she is the personification of the Kawaii-ko Burikko image, and she finds Aya very unpleasant. She admits though that men may find her attractive.

As an exmple of Kakkoii lady among the popular idols she gave me Koyuki. Not sure if Koyuki is Kawaii at heart, though.

That's all I have to say at the moment.

[gixxstar]

Yes yes,

A BJ is also easier to pull off in public. You don't have to take her clothes off and make a mess. Just burp the worm and zip up...

Just burp the worm and zip up

Thats pure gold buddy pure gold!!

Gixx

[Morning Star]

Moscu,
I was morbidly hungover when I wrote that post about kawaii/kakoii.

I can't tell from the pictures if it's Aya Matsuura or not. She looks like about 10 different people when I google imaged her. Anyway, she's usually got a train ad going and TV spots where she does a little dancing/humming number while pouring herself some tea.

I can't even begin to be attracted by her because she's so far out of my league. Besides that, I hate girls that keep talking to me and won't let me go to sleep. As an entertainment professional, though, I think she's one of the few people here that actually has some talent.

[cst_37]

I hate "cute".
I think chicks who wear disney clothes and talk in chirpy squeeky little voices and giggle all the time are annoying and such a turn off.
I like sexy/beautiful girls, not cute

[JBS3009]

I hate "cute".
I... talk in (a) chirpy squeeky little voice and giggle all the time... (and am) annoying and such a turn off (to Japanese wimmins).
I like sexy/beautiful girls, not cute
Quiet, nerd.
:p

Anyway, this thread is like SO two years ago. Would people stop reviving my threads from 2004!? That was before I'd discovered my mojo (read: Men's Egg, Japanese reggae and being paid to "entertain" women). How utterly embarrassing :o

[donpaulo]

cute or cool ?

yes please :)