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  • Thoughts from posters here on discrimination.

    Just curious how people who have been here for a while feel about the direction Japan is going in terms of discrimination, multiculuralism, etc. With the UN's visit coming up, an aging population, and the economy getting worse, I wonder.

    I would assume that it is slowly getting better and that it very much depends on the area you're living in. I'm in a small town full of elderly folks. The people who want to talk to me are generally kind, understanding, and extremely patient with my crap-ass Japanese skills. Those are not, are REALLY not. In general, I feel pretty lucky with my experience so far, considering some of what I've read on these boards, on online news magazines, and various web sites.

    Thoughts, ideas. Just curious.

    Thanks.

  • #2
    There are tonnes of people here who are racists, but I've seen worse.

    coming from rural australia it't nothing new.

    Can't compare it with previously, as only been here a few years.

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    • #3
      People back home IMO as just as rasicist as here. The difference is they kinda know its wrong and try to make up excuses for it.

      Japan is a completely different can of worms. There are no skinheads, Asian gangs (I know Yakusa, but thats not what I meant), Moari gangs, Islander gangs, etc, etc or any of that rubbish and your hardly likely to be attacked because of your skin colour.

      However the government and "the man" in Japan (which back home tries hard to stop discirmation IMO) not only accepts discrimination, I find, more than Joe Public, is the main offender. I cant help but feel the irony when immergant groups (which often include Japanese) call for rights back home (and rightly so) but dont even think twice about the situation in Japan.

      But like Ive said before, the Korean-Japanese and other Asians have it far worse than us Westie, so I cant really complain.

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      • #4
        Id like to add Japanese culture discrimates heaverly and not just by race. I know people at work who are discrimated by age, gender, background, populatily, you name it. Of course being Gaijin, we get hung up on the race thing, but I think, the Japanese themselves often have to put up with discrimation from their own a lot too.

        Basically being an outsider is bad, and we are always outsiders.

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        • #5
          real bitter is not the way to be

          In this society you can't fight it,numerous times I have seen,saw things, but I just ignore as I am kinder in my ways here,and must be.

          To be honest about the situation my former address was worse as I saw economic migrates try to scratch and claw there way into something using all there own dreamt up fantastical brute force,I felt more lost there.

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          • #6
            Follow up.

            Interesting feedback.

            So I'm interested now in how ya'll cope. When you see something or experience something that's discriminatory, what's your MO for dealing with it?

            With some things, I've noticed that it's OK to say something like "that's a little racist" or what have you, and people apologize and make an effort to curb their behavior, even if they don't agree with you, which is a wonderful thing, IMO. Other times, especially when it's between Japanese folks (for instance, I have a teacher at my school who is abusive), any intervention is often frowned upon and useless--intervention y me or a J-teacher or student. How do you walk away from something like that come to terms with it? Sometimes I can say "That's Japan" and let it be, and other times, it really bugs me.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by derrick_odd
              Sometimes I can say "That's Japan" and let it be, and other times, it really bugs me.
              Yes and thats because some people are sweet people but say something racist or xenophobic out of ignorance. Its all those years being bought up on Nihonjinron (like Japan is the only country with four seasons, etc) and you cant really blame them. They usally dont mind being corrected as long as you do it diplomatically.

              Others (especailly older men) are real redneck bastards, really do hate others of a partiualar group, feel they are really superior and really want to hurt your feelings. They're the ones that bug me.

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              • #8
                Hai

                JayJay you've hit the bulls-eye,no matter how much harder it get's things just don't change.
                Easy to recognize difficult to switch off.

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                • #9
                  I wouldn't say that Japanese were necessarily more or less racist than people in other countries, but there is much less awareness of racism as such.
                  At an institutional level racism is a lot worse than western countries, due to the lack of legislation prohibiting it.

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                  • #10
                    Can the UN do something about those thieving Koreans?

                    Apparently the Japanese are currently being victimized by the Koreans here:

                    http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national...03TDY02001.htm

                    Clearly, this must call for UN intervention, must it not?

                    -ft
                    Last edited by freetoken; 2005-07-03, 09:22 PM. Reason: spelling

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                    • #11
                      It all makes total sense:

                      Quote from link below:

                      "The number of cases in which people in Tokyo had their pockets picked by South Korean groups rose to 750 during the first half of this year [...] until recently, South Korean pickpockets armed with kitchen knives, stun guns and tear-gas sprays were active in Tokyo, Osaka and other large cities[...] On Tuesday, as many as 10 cases were reported of people in Tokyo having their pockets picked, allegedly by South Korean gangs.

                      So just count the number of people who report waking up without their wallet, mix in a bit of rascist nonsense, deduce that everybody reporting a lost wallet is a victim of the evil South Korean stun-giun wielding pickpocketing menace and ... Voila!

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                      • #12
                        Clarification requested

                        Originally posted by freetoken
                        Apparently the Japanese are currently being victimized by the Koreans here:

                        http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national...03TDY02001.htm

                        Clearly, this must call for UN intervention, must it not?

                        -ft
                        I am not quite sure what point you are trying to make here...

                        Well, I suppose your post above could be interpreted in various ways, but I do not wish to risk putting words into your mouth, so would you like to clarify your intention with the post above?

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                        • #13
                          stillnosheep on target....

                          Meant it exactly how stillnosheep interpreted it. I mixed in a reference to the other thread, on the UN rep coming to Japan, just to relate the two concurrent threads.

                          In no western country could the referenced newspaper article be printed without a storm of protest, but here.....

                          Not that I think the Japanese are really any more racist, in malignant intentions, than many other people around the world. However, the society they have built over the centuries enables them to be stupendously insensitive, and to get away with it, without causing the clamour it would in other societies.

                          -ft

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by freetoken
                            ..

                            Not that I think the Japanese are really any more racist, in malignant intentions, than many other people around the world. However, the society they have built over the centuries enables them to be stupendously insensitive, and to get away with it, without causing the clamour it would in other societies.

                            -ft
                            Well put!

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                            • #15
                              A classic case of media bias

                              Thanks for the clarification, freetoken.

                              I also do not believe that the Japanese are any more racist than many other countries, but sometimes their insensitivity can really show...

                              What riled me about that article was not the fact that they mentioned the national origin of the criminal groups; if exposing the national origin of the criminals is to serve the public interest, then ok, so be it. Fine with me. Go ahead.

                              The problem of that article with me is, the article mentions and hammers at it over and over and over again - most of those little paragraphs in the article contain the phrase 'South Korean gangsters/pickpockets'. (If you don't believe me, go check it out). Readers are not stupid, just a couple of times is enough; why do they need to repeat the national origin of the criminals so many times - even helpfully(?) inserting the words [South Korea] in the quote of a police official who apparently did not mention it. If you recognize that the Japanese communicate so much by subtle hints, you will see that repeating those phrases so many times is like taking a full page ad about 'evil foreigners'...

                              (Also, take note of the bias in perspective: another way to interpret the decision of the criminals not to arm themselves is that they do not want to cause unnecessary bodily harms to others and make a fuss. Is it not?)

                              But then again, the news source is Yomiuri - I have come to expect that kind of lines from those guys after all.

                              In any case, I thank freetoken for bringing this to my attention. Japan still has some ways to go in learning to live with others...

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