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  • Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

    I have seen these pictures in a site and liked to showthem to YOU !!





















    Look What the resistance is Doing For our Soldiers!!!!











  • #2
    You can't stop FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY ! ! !

    Check out these pictures:

    http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_pict...ee_in_the_news

    Millions of Iraqis used their new freedom to vote, many for the first time in their lives.

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    • #3
      Look Outside the Mainstream Media for the Truth

      Mondaijin,
      Thank you SO much for posting the links to the other side--the non-media filtered truth. Most of the World media opposed the US invasion of Iraq, and they are still trying to spin it to reflect their view that it was a wrong move.

      Iraq is w/o a doubt a real rat f*ck now. There are a significant amount of left-over Bathists and the usual Islamo-Fascist haters of all that is not "Islam" to fuel the violence / murder.

      In spite of the best efforts of the US and coalition forces, the majority of Iraqis have not progressed far enough along the evolutionary continuum to be able to embrace and sustain a true democracy.

      US political leaders are totally screwing up on post-war Iraq. The country should be divided into at least 4 sections--divide and conquer. Kurds, Shiites, Sunnis and the Southern portion. It's likely to become an Iranian satellite, and you know that means the Sunnis and the Shiites are going to SCREW the Kurds BIG TIME. Then they will work on each other, but then again business before pleasure.

      To the original poster with her pictures, I have but this to say: Except for defeating Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and Nazism, war never solved ANYTHING ! ! ! !

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      • #4
        Now View This ! ! !

        Katheeee
        and others who think the Coalition is out of line by being in Iraq, I wonder if you stand by your
        principles so much that you will view these beheadings by those Islamo-Fascist throat-cutters. This is what we are fighting. This same type of inhuman scum is what was slitting the stewardesses throats on 9/11, and they would slit your throat too if they could get away with it, that is unless you agreed to wear burkha(sp?) and bow and pray to Mecca 5 times a day.

        This is a real war and hiding behind what you wish reality were, rather than what it is, won't convince these Islamo-Fascists to give up their hate-hives and start sipping the brew at Starbucks while reading the New York Times.

        BTW, If you are Muslim, don't think I'm accusing you of being like these killers. I know there are many Muslims who oppose the violence that is being done in the name of "Islam." I wish peaceful people everywhere no ill will, but the Islamo-Fascists must be exterminated or they will exterminate the rest of us and even their Muslim "brethren" who will not conform to their narrow view of Islam.

        Executions
        http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/bergvideo.html

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Steamboat
          To the original poster with her pictures, I have but this to say: Except for defeating Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and Nazism, war never solved ANYTHING ! ! ! !
          War defeated communism???? I thought internal economic collapse in the Soviet Union and the satellite states, combined with grassroots opposition, brought down the Eastern Bloc. And I thought Fascism, Totalitarianism and Nazism were the same thing.

          I find this quote (kindly provided by the ideology-spouting boneheads of ProtestWarrior) to be dumb, stupid AND unintelligent.

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          • #6
            Mondaijin

            Those pics are all fine and good, but keep in mind the fact that Japanese newspapers and film reels of the 1930s were full of the same sort of images taken in China, showing the world the benevolence of their mission civilisatrice in the Asian mainland. And yes, a good number of Manchurians, many of whom had suffered under the yoke of Zhang Zuolin and other cruel warlords, probably welcomed the Imperial Army with open arms. At least for a while.

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            • #7
              [size=2]The problem with the US is that they didn't listen to anyone before going into Iraq. President Bush just said "screw you" to anyone who opposed the US invading when they did.

              Now, after totally mis-judging what kind of resistance they would encounter and how difficult it would be to convert a nation of abused people under Sadaam's rule into a modern democracy, they want the rest of the countries that wanted to err on the side of caution to come and join the blood bath.

              Hmmm...no thanks. How about you eat some humble pie? Say you shouldn't have gone in when you did, and maybe you should have listened to other countries and then maybe you might find some other REAL countries wanting to help. Although I am sure the contribution from <insert tiny nation with no military who signed onto the "coalition of the willing" in exchange for reconstruction contracts here> was quite awesome!

              I am sorry but before Iraq the US had a lot of respect and and good will with it's allies who were willing to help out, but after Iraq, the US has seriously damaged those relationships. It is going to take time to heal those wounds.

              Some will say that the US doesn't need anyone else, which is what President Bush said after invading Iraq, but the war on terror is just a bit bigger that the US and needs many nations to work together to bring about some sort of solution.

              However, I will say, that now that the US and Great Britain are in Iraq...they are going to have to tough it out to some sort of conclusion because to leave now would be wrong.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hachiroku
                [size=2] However, I will say, that now that the US and Great Britain are in Iraq...they are going to have to tough it out to some sort of conclusion because to leave now would be wrong.
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                No my friend. Never to have arrived would have been best. To have left long ago would have been better. To have left yeterday would have been preferable. To leave now will be very bad. To stay another day will be worse.

                The longer they stay, the worse it gets.

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                • #9
                  Those poor sods ,only 1000 what of the No.was the same as Irakis

                  ll these so called Heroes were gunning down anything that walked in Fallujah@Aso do not expect any sympathy they deserve what they get .Yoo should start a collection for another wall in Washington .____ing heroes my arse
                  murdering bastards .Vietnam allover again lets cry for the 58,000 dead Amricans who gives a fukx about the 3 million Vietnamese .
                  thickmick is online now Edit/Delete Message

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                  • #10
                    No Thanks to You Lefty

                    Quoting: "War defeated communism???? thought internal economic collapse in the Soviet Union and the satellite states, combined with grassroots opposition, brought down the Eastern Bloc."

                    I misspoke: War and preparations for war defeated communism. Where? you might ask. Start with North Korea. The war turned into a stalemate, but those scum bags were driven back into their little rats nest after almost taking over the whole peninsula... Angola was another, and there were numerous wars fought in S. America against Soviet, Cuban, and Chinese supported Communist Rebels.

                    Quote: "I And I thought Fascism, Totalitarianism and Nazism were the same thing.h

                    The Nazis were National Socialists with a Totalitarian Leader. The Fascists were in Italy and Spain. and of course are in other parts of the world today. While totalitarianism can exist in these systems, the existence of one doesn't guarantee the presence of another. Look at W. European Socialism today; it does not have a fascist element. So, it is accurate to list them separately.

                    "Quote "I find this quote (kindly provided by the ideology-spouting boneheads of ProtestWarrior) to be dumb, stupid AND unintelligent."

                    Rather redundant but spoken by a true lefty. Whenever the Left can't defend a position, they just start calling names and make gratuitous statements (offering no proof to back up their assertions).

                    I'm surprised that you know about Protest Warrior. No doubt they got into your craw. Did they disturb one of your little Anti-American, Anti-Military rallies with their slogans of truth?

                    Oh, but I did leave out one thing. War did end slavery in the US. All those young boys being drafted by the Union Army to go and fight in the heat of the gawd-awful South would have sent the Lefties into a tizzy had they been around then. They would have been protesting that too, and we'd probably still have slavery today in the US.

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                    • #11
                      Bush the Idiot Commander and Chief

                      No ThickMick,

                      When the coalition troops were fired upon in Falujah, or any other Iraqi sh*t hole, the US and British Air force should have turned the place into a smoking hole in the ground, like they did with German towns in WWII when they were fired upon by civilians. But that won't happen today thanks to George Bush who has loony, moralistic delusions of "democratizing" Iraq. It's the troops that will ultimately lose because of inept "leadership" in Washington D.C.

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                      • #12
                        Steamboat willie

                        The major difference being most of the cannon fodder in Fallujah were innocent kids .Even if the they do get the freedom to vote ,will it be worth it ? It will take years and years and probably turn into a lawless Afghanistan.Also the Germans were bombing English cities long before payback time ,no Iraquis were bombing ,ot hurting the Usa .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Steamboat
                          I misspoke: War and preparations for war defeated communism. Where? you might ask. Start with North Korea. The war turned into a stalemate, but those scum bags were driven back into their little rats nest after almost taking over the whole peninsula... Angola was another, and there were numerous wars fought in S. America against Soviet, Cuban, and Chinese supported Communist Rebels.
                          Angola? You're actually holding Angola up as an admirable war against communism? True, Jose Eduardo Dos Santos, who succeeded founding president Augustinho Neto in 1979 and has run the country ever since, has been a less than salubrious leader at the best of times, and whose governance has been rife with corruption (though no more so than most of his African colleagues), the US-backed UNITA rebels under the leadership of guerrilla leader Jonas Savimbi have since this time led one of the most reprehensible guerrilla wars of modern times. Reagan even invited this terrorist to the White House in 1986. Result: a protracted civil war that would have been over in 1991 had Savimbi accepted the results of the 1991 election and declared war on the Dos Santos government once again, the result of which being that Angola is the second most heavily mined country on earth (after Afghanistan). The man's death in 2002 has given the beleaguered country its best shot at peace since its independence in 1975. And Dos Santos? Still in power, but Angola, in spite of its crushing social problems and rife corruption, is still more genuinely democratic than a lot of places in Southern Africa, such as Zimbabwe and Malawi.

                          And who was the other major power backing the UNITA rebels? Ah yes, the lovely white-supremacist government of PM John Vorster in South Africa - whose government oversaw the 1976 Soweto Massacre. So you'll forgive me for being a little incredulous when presented with Angola as a shining example of fighting communism.

                          As for North Korea, yes, the US and its allies did manage to contain those "scumbags" as you call them, but at the same time oversaw the massacre of civilians who had organized themselves into "communes" on Cheju Island in 1948, and propping up the dictatorships of Syngman Rhee, Gen. Park Chung Hee, Gen. Chun Doo Hwan (the instigator of the 1980 Gwangju Massacre, who, incidentally, was the first foreign head of state invited to the Reagan White House), and Gen. Roh Tae Woo. And as for Central America, the US opposed communism by financing nasty little guerrilla wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala. Admirable, you think? I would say the Iran-Contra business in the mid-1980s was the height of American foreign policy stupidity - selling arms to both Iran AND Iraq, while funnelling the proceeds to the Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua. Are you really telling me that this was about making the world a freer place?

                          Originally posted by Steamboat
                          The Nazis were National Socialists with a Totalitarian Leader. The Fascists were in Italy and Spain. and of course are in other parts of the world today. While totalitarianism can exist in these systems, the existence of one doesn't guarantee the presence of another. Look at W. European Socialism today; it does not have a fascist element. So, it is accurate to list them separately.
                          Tomato, to-mah-to, I say! The Nazis and the Italian Fascists were bound together by the Tripartite Agreement, along with Japan under what postwar Japanese scholars generally refer to as Imperial-Way Fascism, and ridding the world of these particular regimes were part and parcel of the same struggle. And no, war did not succeed in ridding the war of fascism, and the neutral fascist regimes in Spain and Portugal lasted until the mid-1970s, and vaguely fascist regimes continue to exist in Myanmar, Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan, Sudan, Togo and elsewhere.

                          As for European socialism not having a fascist element, this is true, but I fail to see how it is relevant.

                          Originally posted by Steamboat
                          "Quote "I find this quote (kindly provided by the ideology-spouting boneheads of ProtestWarrior) to be dumb, stupid AND unintelligent."

                          Rather redundant but spoken by a true lefty. Whenever the Left can't defend a position, they just start calling names and make gratuitous statements (offering no proof to back up their assertions)..
                          I was being sarcastic! I thought that was still permitted. Or was sarcasm outlawed in the Patriot Act? (Sorry, that was a cheap shot.)

                          But seriously, you accuse me of resorting to name-calling, and yet you refer to me as a "lefty" or as "the Left" (whatever that is) no fewer than four times in your post. What exactly do you mean by this? How is saying "you Leftists do this, you Leftists do that" any different from saying "You Jews do this, you black people do that?" Yes, I protested the war on Iraq. Yes, I was an exec member on my teaching assistants' union as a Master's student. Does this make me a lefty? Perhaps, but I have always been just as critical of much of the foolishness that goes on on the left as I have of the foolishness that goes on on the right. The Trotskyite League is highly active at my university in Canada, and I find them to be even wackier than the Protest Warrior mob. I suppose I'm centre-left, left-leaning on certain issues, centre-right on others. And yet you insist on lumping me in with the bandana-wearing, rock-throwing, Che Guevara-wannabes who have ruined many a peaceful and discourse-generating demonstration with their self-indulgent antics. It is exactly this sort of blanket generalization, treating a person not as an individual but as a member of a group with assumed characteristics, that is at the very core of discrimination.

                          Oh, and speaking of name-calling, when did "scumbag" become an acceptable political term?

                          Originally posted by Steamboat
                          I'm surprised that you know about Protest Warrior. No doubt they got into your craw. Did they disturb one of your little Anti-American, Anti-Military rallies with their slogans of truth?
                          Yup, I know them. A pretty hypocritical bunch, if you ask me. While they love barging in on antiwar demonstrations and stirring up trouble, I've found that for the most part they can't deal with criticism themselves, and they tend to resort to the same sort of juvenile mud-slinging and name-calling that you earlier accused me of engaging in. There's is a Manichaean, black and white view of the world in which the United States of America (and Israel, their second-favourite country) can do no wrong whatsoever, and "Lefties" such as myself are "freedom-haters" who are actively plotting to undermine every positive development in democracy and good governance that the world has seen in the past sixty years. Call it hyperbole if you want, but I don't see how this is any different from the international Jewish conspiracy theories that ran rampant a century ago and formed the foundation of Hitler's political philosophy.

                          I actually post occasionally on the Protest Warrior discussion forum (under a different name of course) and I've seen first hand a lot of the ideogically-blinkered idiocy that passes for political discourse among its ranks. And the website also reeks of war fetishism, with mission titles like "Operation Eagle Strike" and "Operation Tiger Claw," complete with mission maps that look like they were lifted from a Hot Shots movie. Gimme a break!

                          Originally posted by Steamboat
                          Oh, but I did leave out one thing. War did end slavery in the US. All those young boys being drafted by the Union Army to go and fight in the heat of the gawd-awful South would have sent the Lefties into a tizzy had they been around then. They would have been protesting that too, and we'd probably still have slavery today in the US.
                          Oh, and one other thing. Have I, or any of the other posters on this thread, said anything to suggest that we oppose ANY form of military deployment? Yes, I did oppose the war in Iraq. However, I did NOT oppose the campaign to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban and al-Qaida. Nor would I have opposed the Second World War, or, for that matter, the war against slavery in the United States in the 1860s. However, you and the Protest Warrior types automatically leap to the conclusion that if one does not support Bush's campaign in Iraq, then that person must be fundamentally opposed to ALL wars. This is a logical conclusion along the lines of "All dogs have four legs. My cat has four legs. Therefore my cat is a dog."

                          Do your homework next time, Steamboat. And also make sure you don't engage in the same sort of behaviour you accuse other posters of WITHIN THE SAME POST! (Sorry about the capital letters. I can be a real jerk with those.)

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                          • #14
                            Protest Warrior

                            Originally posted by Steamboat
                            "Quote "I find this quote (kindly provided by the ideology-spouting boneheads of ProtestWarrior) to be dumb, stupid AND unintelligent."
                            Now that I think about it, it was indeed immature of me to have refered to the PW people as boneheads. I should have said "thinking-impaired ideologues."

                            For all of those out there who are unfamiliar with the group, here is their weblink. It's compelling stuff to say the least.

                            http://www.protestwarrior.com/

                            If these people are to believed, antiwar protesters are all raving Bolsheviks who are out to destroy America and Israel and roll mankind back to barbarism. In an actual quote from their manifesto, they states that "We wish they [leftists] would just be honest and admit that they hate freedom, but most of them aren't brave enough." Egad! Do I in fact hate freedom and are simply unaware of it?

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                            • #15
                              First of all, I want to leave a link to a blog by an Iraqi. This man is a dentist with a family in Iraq. He is posting photographs of daily life there, and his blog is called "Healing Iraq".
                              http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/10dec.html Sorry, I don't know how to paste a link in here, but copy and paste will get you there.

                              Secondly, there have been no end of arguments against the authenticity of that Berg video (which I DID view) and I think they're worth examining. It seems to be true that there would have been more arterial blood streaming from the head when they lifted it up had he been alive during those final scenes. Anyway, http://www.atsnn.com/story/50025.html

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