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    Every year I follow the same frustrating pattern: in Japan I gain kilos (about 5), when I go home in summer I loose them-without dieting-in a matter of weeks. In fact, I have to be far more careful of what I eat in Japan to limit the damage. As an example, I just spent the last 10 days in Italy eating sandwiches, pizzas, pasta (all drowned in generous quantities of olive oil), cheeses and ice creams, and drinking beer every day and came back one jeans size thinner. For years I've been trying to understand why this happens, what exactly makes the Japanese diet so bad despite claims to the contrary, and have come to the following conclusions (further suggestions very much welcome):

    1) additives. Easily avoided in Europe, additives are present in almost all Japanese foods. They can cause problems such as water retention (especially when the additive is precisely designed to keep a food stuff from drying up- look at shokupan for example, it is so full of bloating chemicals that it won't even toast properly)-obviously if you eat bloating chemicals, you bloat too. Such chemicals are present in a large number of foods such as ham, cheese ,other meats, to make them look fresh (because if they were fresh, they wouldn't be needed). Italian ham is basically just lean pork and salt. (I once received a very luxurious natural Italian ham as a present, and Japanese customs incinerated it because I didn't have an import license-considering the execrable quality of ham in Japan, full of chemicals and sugar, I found this outrageous!)

    2) sugar! Aside from deserts, NOTHING in the European diet contains added sugar. In Japan EVERYTHING contains sugar: the sauce on the fish, the rice in the sushi, the mayo in the sandwich (real mayo is made with only olive oil, egg and lemon), the nabe broth, and just about every condiment imaginable. Even bread contains sugar (I keep trying to explain to the Japanese that putting sugar in bread is the equivalent of putting sugar in their bowl of rice every day- the one thing they don't put sugar in!)

    3) sweeteners. Anything that doesn't contain sugar contains sweeteners. Recent studies have shown that sweeteners produce much the same effect on the organism as sugar. The body registers the sweetness and interprets it as sugar, so you can gain weight and even get diabetes from too many sweeteners. (I'm not a scientist so if you want details look it up)

    4) Fat content. Take the example of pizza. Italian pizza (eaten in all of Europe) uses fresh natural ingredients without additives and relatively low fat cheese (real mozarella is a fresh cheese with a high water content, so the fat content is a relatively low percentage of the whole)-the other ingredients on pizza are mostly fresh veg, sometimes a bit of raw ham(without the stuff that bloats you). Japanese pizza instead uses industrial cheese with a very low water content, so the fat is in far greater concentrations, meaning that for the same amount of cheese you are consuming about 50 percent more fat (that's without including all the other fatty junk they put on top). Not even taking into account all the fried foods (which I don't eat anyway), your regular meat at the supermarket is infinitely fattier than its European counterpart. I've never even once seen a lean filet steak in Japan, not once in 10 years! Bread, again the eternal culprit, contains butter and/or other fats in Japan-no such thing in a real bread (you don't see Japanese putting butter or oil in their gohan, why in bread!)

    5) Fattening hormones. I haven't done my research on whether Japanese breeders use fattening hormones or not, but if they do it means that like in the US, ANY beef product you eat or drink (meat, milk, yogurt, cheese) will transmit those fattening hormones to your organism.

    6) Insuficient mineral water intake. High mineral content waters, drunk all over Europe, have diuretic properties, thus ridding you of your toxins and water retention (caused by all the other junk you've eaten). Such water is hard to come by in Japan and very pricey; despite springs being abundant in Japan they prefer to use tons of fossil fuels to transport it from Europe, instead of bottling their own.

    7) very limited variety of fruit and veg -or too expensive when available : depriving one of many vitamins can cause the urge to binge as the body knows it's lacking.

    8) White grains only. Making genmai at home is possible sometimes, but expensive and time consuming. Brown bread and pasta hard to come across and expensive (and probably contain sugar to compensate for being too healthy) The rest of the time (out) one is forced to eat large quantities of high calorie, 0 fiber white rice, bread, noodles. Even soba, which in itself would be healthy, is made with a sugar tainted broth.

    9) lack of movement: most European cities are walkable, Japanese ones require public transport. And in summer it's simply too hot to move.

    Cooking at home every day is not something everyone has the leisure to do, so unfortunately we rely heavily on ready made foods. In a rush at lunch? Japanese sandwich: almost no veg, white soppy sweetened bread full of additives that bloat you, sweetened ham full of additives that bloat you, heaps of sweetened mayo, butter. Onigiri? a big lump of white rice- ie, empty calories with no fiber, sweetened seaweed (more unnecessary sugar), a tiny filling (no nutrients), which again contains sugar. Swiss sandwich: wholegrain bread (no sugar or fat obviously), lots of veg, sprouts etc, natural cheese, real (olive-oil based) or no mayo. Italian sandwich: fresh bread with no sugar, fat or salt, low fat fresh cheese, tomatoes or rucola, herbs, a slither of olive oil, and absolutely no mayo.

    SO don't anyone ever tell me again the Japanese diet is healthy! This is a myth created by the Japanese when comparing themselves to the US, although the US has nothing to envy Japan as regards unhealthy food.

    I welcome more examples of why one gets fat in Japan, I'm sure I haven't thought of everything.
    Anyone else suffer systematic weight gain in Japan and loss when they go "home"???

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    Edit: WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS ERRONEOUS INFORMATION

    Then why are there so many 'tanks' walking about in Britain, Europe and the U.S.?

    What do you drink when you are in Japan? Do you really have the same Japanese diet as the Japanese when you live here? Everything in the west, especially drinks, seem to be loaded with sugar and everyone eats loads of sugar and fat ridden stuff.

    Sugar might be added here and there in Japanese dishes, but usually not that much.
    Last edited by Since1990; 2009-09-07, 10:44 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Since1990 View Post
      Then why are there so many 'tanks' walking about in Britain, Europe and the U.S.?
      Please don't lump those two countries together with that fine looking Europe, and please stop talking out of your behind about "tanks" when you obviously haven't been in OPs country or even half of the rest of the countries in that continent.

      Admittedly, there are a few tanks (I assume you mean "fat people") there. But in the whole not that many more than the odd one here and there just like in Japan.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Marius_II View Post
        Please don't lump those two countries together with that fine looking Europe, and please stop talking out of your behind about "tanks" when you obviously haven't been in OPs country or even half of the rest of the countries in that continent.

        Admittedly, there are a few tanks (I assume you mean "fat people") there. But in the whole not that many more than the odd one here and there just like in Japan.
        So you think I should throw away my telly then?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Since1990 View Post
          Then why are there so many 'tanks' walking about in Britain, Europe and the U.S.?
          did he talk about the us or britain?...next time read the post.
          and to answer your question: hfcs, msg and other crap that doesn't belong in our food.

          Originally posted by Since1990 View Post
          What do you drink when you are in Japan? Do you really have the same Japanese diet as the Japanese when you live here? Everything in the west, especially drinks, seem to be loaded with sugar and everyone eats loads of sugar and fat ridden stuff.
          again, the op's talking about italy, not the states!

          Originally posted by Since1990 View Post
          Sugar might be added here and there in Japanese dishes, but usually not that much.
          read a japanese recipe for a change and you'll see it's plenty of sugar, that's added.

          and the op is spot on, with his thoughts. the japanese is not nearly as healthy as it's propagated....but you are of course allowed to believe what ever you want to.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by magdalen View Post
            in Japan I gain kilos (about 5), when I go home in summer I loose them-without dieting-in a matter of weeks. In fact, I have to be far more careful of what I eat in Japan to limit the damage.
            Good rant, and, I've witness the same thing. 5 kilos up when I first came here. Been working/living (not just visiting) in about 7 countries before coming here, and only had this weird peak gain here.

            imh (yet boring) o, you're both right:
            - There's a lot of hidden crap in the food. But a lot of what you mentioned isn't stuff eaten every day. Just as you don't have sukiyaki every day (soup/broth is basically a few cups of sugar with soysouce), OP won't have pizza every day.
            Since90 mentioned a "real Japanese diet". I assume he meant take a fish, shuv it into the grill-compartment of your oven and have it with rice/veggies. White rice with it won't be the most healthiest, but it's not bad per say.

            Try convincing any Japanese this, though.
            At best you'll get a cold reply.
            Originally posted by magdalen View Post
            SO don't anyone ever tell me again the Japanese diet is healthy!
            Just let it slide.

            Anyways, so, magdalen,
            drop some good ideas for making a healthy diet here a little less hassle free.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Since1990 View Post
              So you think I should throw away my telly then?
              I don't really understand what this mean.

              But yes. Don't believe everything you see on tv.
              It's sad to see you comment, especially in negative, on something you know nothing about. :/
              Did your tv lump together us and ops country? Must have been a Japanese show. Gaikoku and all.

              Or hmm...if you do believe everything you see on tv...
              for goodness sake don't watch fox news. We already have Jinsei on here and that's enough.
              Last edited by Marius_II; 2009-09-07, 10:23 AM.

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              • #8
                Well OK everyone, I thought Italian women mostly become fat tackers.. This is what I was told, and that it was due to their diet.


                Sumimasen.


                And I thought that and the pizza and cheese-ladian receipies that Americans ate came from Italy.


                Sumimasen.

                And I thought most gaijin people don't drink o-cha, nor eat the typical Japanese diet.

                Sumimasen. m(. .)m



                But I still don't agree that the Japanese diet makes you put weight automatically. There are a lot of thin people about, maybe not as many as say 20 years ago. I knew many Japanese who gain a lot of weight when living overseas, though I can't speak for Italy, but automatically lose the gained weight when they move back to Japan.
                Last edited by Since1990; 2009-09-07, 10:28 AM.

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                • #9
                  Have to agree with Marius here.

                  I have been around most European countries and the fatness levels are not that bad at all.

                  Its certainly not like the States, which is numero uno for land crawling whales. The UK is pretty bad too, but has a long way to go to reach no.1.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by magdalen View Post
                    Brown bread and pasta hard to come across and expensive (and probably contain sugar to compensate for being too healthy)
                    If you live near a "Kaldi" store you can pick up some whole grain pasta from abroad. Usually the way we like it in terms of content (but obviously not price. What can you do when even the regular durum one in everyday supermarkets are so extremely bastardized).
                    http://www.kaldi.co.jp/store/index.html

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Since1990 View Post
                      But I still don't agree that the Japanese diet makes you put weight automatically. There are a lot of thin people about, maybe not as many as say 20 years ago. I knew many Japanese who gain a lot of weight when living overseas, though I can't speak for Italy, but automatically lose the gained weight when they move back to Japan.
                      well, that's because the average salaryman with his 2 million/year salary saves on food to spend the money on his av collection or his next visit to the soap.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Akuma View Post
                        well, that's because the average salaryman with his 2 million/year salary saves on food to spend the money on his av collection or his next visit to the soap.
                        His/her wallet isn't as heavy as it used to be in the 90ies

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scot27 View Post
                          Have to agree with Marius here.

                          I have been around most European countries and the fatness levels are not that bad at all.

                          Its certainly not like the States, which is numero uno for land crawling whales. The UK is pretty bad too, but has a long way to go to reach no.1.
                          Actually according to a recent WHO study, the south pacific countries top the list of the fattest countries.
                          http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/wor...orldfat_2.html

                          Nauru anyone?


                          I think it is time to forget any fantasies about swaying palm trees and lithe semi-naked polynesian beauties

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Marius_II View Post
                            His/her wallet isn't as heavy as it used to be in the 90ies
                            mɁAthe food here is expensive. I sometime wonder how some people here manage to gain so much weight without being rich.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PurpleDaisies View Post
                              I think it is time to forget any fantasies about swaying palm trees and lithe semi-naked polynesian beauties
                              Yeah, right, as if.

                              Pft.

                              Here's another list:
                              http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...health-obesity

                              But let's keep the thread on topic. Diets in Japan. The sudden 5 kilo increase.
                              Me? I used to blame coming over and absolutely craving every dish one 's missed when not in Japan the reason for spiking those kilos.

                              But then I noticed that the portions craved aren't bigger than usual. Just that the fancy food is pretty fat (just as it would be almost anywhere at any restaurant. Fat's and sugars are not held back).

                              How to do something about it: combine both worlds. As boring as it sounds.
                              The problems is finding a place that carries all the good stuff from the world outside of here.
                              The selection is scarce and the prices are jacked.

                              And, again, kudos to magdalen for seeing through the cultural smokescreen.

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