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  • RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex reality;wh

    THIS IS AN INTELLIGENT AND VERY GOOD REFLECTION OF THE REALITY OF AT LEAST ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF RELATIONSHIPS BEWEEN WHITES AND BLACKS - AND SOME OTHER MINORITY RACES. I GOT IT FROM <://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1822/power1.html>

    THE VIEWS EXPRESSED HERE SIMPLY CANNOT BE DISPUTED. IT IS SOMETHING WHITE PEOPLE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND BEFORE THEY EVEN TRY TO START CRITICIZING A BLACK PERSON COMPLAINING ABOUT RACISM.

    I think that this is a very powerful statement, you might like to read - This article appeared in the Baltimore Sun newspaper and was written by a white professor at the U of Texas. "White people need to acknowledge benefits of unearned privilege" By Robert Jensen BALTIMORE: Here's what white privilege sounds like: I'm sitting in my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very conservative white student about affirmative action in college admissions, which he opposes and I support. The student says he wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone. I ask him whether he thinks that being white has advantages in the United States. Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world run mostly by white people? Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call white privilege. So, if we live in a world of white privilege - unearned white privilege - how does that affect your notion of a level playing field? I asked. He paused for a moment and said, "That really doesn't matter." That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white privilege: the privilege to acknowledge that you have unearned privilege but to ignore what it means. That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism with students. It drove home the importance of confronting the dirty secret that we white people carry around with us every day: in a world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white privilege. White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has affected me. I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the state's only numerically significant nonwhite population, American Indians. I have struggled to resist that racist training and the racism of my culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix" myself, one thing never changes - I walk through the world with white privilege. What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening. > Almost all of the people evaluating me look like me they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves and in a racist world, that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut some slack. After all, I'm white. My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white. Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors. That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but it's a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well as on gender, class and ideology. Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I know, because I am one of them. I am not a genius as I like to say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching full time for six years and I've published a reasonable amount of scholarship. Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure, and some of it, I would argue, is worth reading. I worked hard, and I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in a while, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really accomplished something. When I cash my paycheque, I don't feel guilty. But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone. I benefited from among other things, white privilege. That doesn't mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my life, I have soaked up benefits for being white. All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people. I was accepted for graduate school by white people. And I was hired for a teaching position by the predominantly white University of Texas, headed by a white president, in a college headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman that at the time had one nonwhite tenured professor. I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there. But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe that "merit" as defined by white people in a white country, alone got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard work, I got a significant boost from white privilege. At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that, because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me to those myths. Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special. I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are stacked to my benefit. Until we let go of the fiction that people have complete control over their fate that we can will ourselves to be anything we choose then we will live with that fear. White privilege is not something I get to decide whether I want to keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am benefiting from white privilege. There is not space here to list all the ways in which white privilege plays out in our daily lives, but it is clear that I will carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased from this society. Dawn/LAT-WP News Service (c) Baltimore Sun. > > The writer is a professor of journalism. Donald Tomaskovic-Devey Co-Editor,Contemporary Sociology Sociology, North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8107 voice 919 515 9022 fax 919 515 2610 919-515-9022 (voice) 919-515-2610 (fax) don@server.sasw.ncsu.edu

    Chairo

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    Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

    Guilty as charged, it's a fair cop, guv'ner.


    "TOOT TOOT, HERE COMES THE WHITE GRAVY TRAIN, ALL ABOOOOOAAARD"


    So... uuhh.. how much do I owe you Mr Chairo? Would one wife suffice?

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    • #3
      Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

      Something to think about before posting:

      Paragraphs.

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      • #4
        SYNTAX RELATIONS: Something to think about ;SENTENCES indebt

        Bluedog, I sense a RACIST UNDERTONE to your post...

        BLACK PEOPLE don't owe ANYONE a "paragraph"...the implication exposes your thinking as racist against the original poster... WHOM YOU KNOW IS OF COLOUR.





        -Kent "Brackman" (Gaijinpot Race Relations Conciliator Elect)

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        • #5
          Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

          Chairo!...................NOT AGAIN!!!???









          ...............why don't you try MalcomX.com!? they must have a forum there!

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          • #6
            Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

            Chairo,

            You are turning the relationships forum into the race forum.

            Please try to keep it lighthearted man; we aren't in the position to change society.

            Besides, you can see that these peoples' opinions are already formed.

            No offence, okay?

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            • #7
              Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

              im Tony

              When I tried to have a polite discussion about race with `Are Japanaese women colour blind` I got wrongly accused of being a racist by people that sound like racists. I mean go back and look at the tone of my initial postings there.

              Since they wish to go down that road that is all about racism then I shall educate them with some home truths. Indisputable home truths.

              You are right these people do seem to have made up their minds still I would like to say my piece. Do not make the mistake of thinking I think I will change their minds with my postings.

              My direct response to `I am turning the relationships forum into a race forum`. Crazy, isn`t it me doing that. Not as crazy as what slavery did to blacks in the US. Not as crazy as what happened to the Aborigines in Australia. Not as crazy as what Hitler did to Jews. Not as crazy as what white Americans (actually back then they were not even Americans) did to Native Americans; the REAL Americans. Not as crazy as what women in most moslem countries have to go through on a daily basis.

              You think what I am doing is wrong, let`s you are right. (Personally I do not think so). What I am doing is nothing compared to what goes on in this world.

              Look around you im Tony. People have been doing atrocious things for decades and getting away with it. I start a thread that simply is related to racism that I believe I am subjected to and then I get accused of being a racist.

              The very least I will do if I want - call me crazy - is write about the real racist and I will do it wherever I want and in whatever way I see fit.

              Those that do not like it ...... sue me.

              im Tony your postings are always polite and you do make an effort to make a valid point; this posting is not meant to offend you either. It is just how I see this.

              Chairo

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              • #8
                Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                News Flash: Slavery is still alive and well in Africa...and Whites have nothing to do with it. One could say that it's the worst form of Black on Black crime out there...

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                • #9
                  Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                  atrocious? seems strong...

                  I never meant to imply that what you were doing was atrocious. And comparing this to mass genocide/slavery is ludicrous! Come on... not much is as radical or "crazy" as those things. hahaha, you could defend nearly anything doing that!

                  All I'm saying is that your first post had to do with race and *relationships.* You surely had the right to ask that question, it was fair and honest. It was wrong for you to get attacked like you did. I'm sorry, but it is already done. Now, it only seems to be about race. It just misses the point of this part of the forums, ya know? It isn't fair to others who aren't involved in this purely racial debate. Of course one could just ignore it, but that's beside the point.

                  I'm not trying to deny you of your opinion, it is just that this isn't really relative to this part of the forum. Also... bitter tongues might drive others away.

                  I am not offended, I just don't want this to get out of hand.

                  Just like in day-to-day Japanese life, you want to keep harmony. =)

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                    Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                    Dr. Drew,


                    I have never said white people - some not all - are the only people that are guilty when it comes to slavery.

                    There is black on black crime, yes.
                    There is white on white crime.
                    And the list goes on.

                    Then you have the crime of what `rich America/the American government` is doing to poor America. By poor America I mean all Americans;white,black whatever.

                    There is a lot of crap going on out there. I have never claimed white on black racism is the only `disease` out there.

                    At the time of real slavery there were some incidents of black people selling other blacks to white slave traders. Abhorrent on the part of both white and black participants. However you cannot escape the level to which white people took slavery.

                    White people turned it into an international trade that has resulted in a situation whereby the dead forefathers of blacks in America contributed - for free; forcefully - to building America into the economic giant that it is today. Yet their living descendants today are `denied` a fair shot in society that their forefathers were murdered for.

                    The US Supreme Court that ruled to sustain Affirmative Action were aware of what you think is a `newsflash` and still voted to keep Affirmative Action.

                    I wonder why, Dr. Drew? Tell me something I do not know.

                    Chairo

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                    • #11
                      Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                      That's everyone's point but Chairo does not seem to understand.

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                      • #12
                        Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                        Chairo,

                        I respect your point of view, however "White people" is a pretty general term.

                        If you mean to say the Whites who were responsible for perpetuating slavery, you can't say White People, as it's far too broad a categorization.

                        You could say:


                        Whites of largely British/Spanish/Portuguese/or Dutch descent, who happen to come from moneyed families of Old Europe. Those people would be descended from wealthy merachants and Land Owners, and thus would actually rule out a sizeable number of Whites currently hailing from the North American continent.

                        In fact, my ancestors came from Ireland to the States, after the Civil War. Far from being slaveowners or traders, they in fact faced discrimination and outright bigotry.

                        Should they be responsible for slavery? I don't think so. They never owned a slave, and didn't even live in the US during those dark days.

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                        • #13
                          Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                          im Tony
                          I did not claim you accused me of anything `atroucios`. Far from it.

                          What I said was that atrocious things like - genocide,slavery,racism etc - are part of our reality. A lot of the utterances/acts of some blatantly encourage this.

                          Me talking about what happened with regards to the threads I started and how that is RELATED TO/IS racism is not the same as saying what happened with `my` threads is of the same gravity as `all racism - including slavery` or `genocide`. Yes, doing so what be absolutely ludicrous.

                          I am not `comparing`, I am saying it is `part of`. There is a gulf of difference.


                          The bulk of your last posting is talking about `convention`. What I am doing now is not conventionally what this forum is for. I agree with you im Tony.

                          The `convention` in the countries where a lot of us foreigners in Japan come from is for police men to falsely arrest,frame and imprison minorities; mainly blacks. What that means is you are going about your daily life without doing anything criminal - this being the `conventional` and right thing to do - and you still get screwed over. Guess why this happens to these unfortunate blacks? It happens simply because the racists can simply get away with it. The utterances of some of the people that posted under my threads also play their part in sustaining this `racist` hatred.

                          The picture you are looking at looks somewhat like this : `You are being unfair to people that come here to discuss issues other than race.` (Meanwhile reading the comments of SOME of these people you can see that they could not care less what is happening to minorities that live amongst them.)

                          The picture I am looking at : `I know what the `conventional` use of this forum is. Despite that, largely because of the apathy/downright racist comments of others at this forum I am going to write about a more important issue. Why? Because IT IS more important and because I can. It is a shame people like yourself might be disturbed at the same time.

                          You wrote <bitter tongues might drive others away>. At least they can `drive away and go home`. `Bitter racism has driven many an innocent black man to the gas chamber`



                          Chairo

                          (Not for one second am I suggesting all black men in prison are innocent. However I know the reality of the VERY SERIOUS injustice that a lot of black people go through and then end up in jail.)

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                          • #14
                            Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                            Dr. Drew,
                            Without a doubt your point is absolutely valid. I should have qualified that.

                            However I think by almost anybody's standards no one would think I hate EVERY WHITE PERSON.

                            As a matter of fact some of the people I have the most respect for are the whites that were brave enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with blacks during the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. This was at a time when whites like this knew that they stood to REALLY suffer by taking such a stance and they did suffer.

                            Despite the majority - probably - of white people back then doing all they could to sustain racism these white people thought for themselves and did the right thing.
                            I believe the film 'Mississipi Burning' is based on the true story of how three people were murdered by racists in the 50's or something. One of these three was a very brave white guy.

                            Guys like this white guy are my heros.

                            Peace

                            Chairo

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                            • #15
                              Re: RACE RELATIONS: Something to think about. Complex realit

                              Chairo, I have a suggestion. Why not channel all of this energy into doing something positive to stop the racism you abhor? You are in Japan now; just by interacting positively with Japanese people, you can begin to change any bad perceptions they have about black people, if indeed they do. I'll give you an example. As a young child during the time when Americans were kept hostage by a group of Iranians, I had no other image of Iranian people for most of my life other than radical Islamic, American-hating people. Several years ago, I had the opportunity to work in the same office with an Iranian woman in the U.S. We became friendly, had lunch together, etc. I remember thinking how happy I was to have met her, because I now had another view of Iranian people wholly different from the one with which I grew up. Rather than lecturing everyone on this board (most of your posts are honestly too long for me to read now), why don't you try to educate some people by interacting and speaking with them? Most Japanese people don't react well to anger, however, as you may have noticed. And by the way, Muslim countries are not the only ones in which women suffer injustices.

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