What is most profiting job in IT?

[Leiland]

Guys what is most profiting job at the IT domain?I currently know an IT Manager is!!
Which I know that: Accenture pays a Senior Manager IT a salary of 13-14 M Yen a YEAR! which is roughly around 1.3M a month!
Anyone knows better?
Thanks guys!
AND PLEASE!!!
What are the requirements for being an IT Manager?
any specific years to study or background work CV?what?

[ENF]

Depends on what you mean by "IT Manager" - each company that has such a manager has different job descriptions. Those requirements to obtain such a position greatly vary... but usually require 7-10 years of IT operations experience with enough knowledge to understand current technologies, budgeting, security and personnel management.

For the salary, if it's 14 million yen/year and it's done by the standard Japanese pay structure, it would be more like 875,000/month before taxes/deductions (think 16 months instead of 12 for calculation). The summer and winter "bonus" payments would be ~1,750,000 before taxes/deductions. That's usually for professional staff/management only. In example, our administrative staff don't get the same "bonus" system, they're usually limited to 300,000 yen for each "bonus" period. Entry level staff and senior team leaders usually are eligible for overtime while management is not. Some senior team leaders make more than the managers do if they put in the hours.

I keep saying "bonus" because it's not really a bonus, it's part of your normal yearly salary. Some companies offer a 'real' bonus that is given out in April or August, based on the overall financial performance of the company.

BTW, in your other thread that got locked, about housing: It depends on where you live. If you live in Central Tokyo, (i.e. inside the Yamanote loop) you'll pay much more than if you were outside of the loop. Houses/Mansions in my area of Tokyo sell for as little as 24million yen and much as 70-80million yen. The average is more like 29-42million yen for a decent sized place. (~70+ sq. meters or so) -- My very first apartment a 1DK, ~30 sq. meters, cost about 165,000 yen/month. It was a 4 minute walk from a JR station.

[TJrandom]

Guys what is most profiting job at the IT domain?I currently know an IT Manager is!!
Which I know that: Accenture pays a Senior Manager IT a salary of 13-14 M Yen a YEAR! which is roughly around 1.3M a month!
Anyone knows better?
Thanks guys!
AND PLEASE!!!
What are the requirements for being an IT Manager?
any specific years to study or background work CV?what?

Accenture is selling IT services - so they want their expenses (IT Manager's salary) to be low, and their billing rate to be high - typically at double or more of their expense (say 25mm/year) . But their billing rate cannot be so high as to prevent their use by end-use-computing companies (banks, insurance firms, etc.) - who are experiencing a temporary staffing shortfall. An end-use company will pay more than for in-house staff, if it is for short term duration.

Hence - end-use financial firms pay up to 25mm for a senior IT manager, and up to 40mm for a CTO/CIO. Smaller companies, and non-finance firms pay less.

[well_bicyclically]

What is most profiting job in IT?

profiting?? I do not know.

profitable? ... ask Mr. Gates.

[SteadyRollingMan]

Guys
What are the requirements for being an IT Manager?

The requirements for being an IT manager today are:
1. taking it up the butt dry!
2. Sucking nice big one and not biting

[iago]

The requirements for being an IT manager today are:
1. taking it up the butt dry!
2. Sucking nice big one and not biting

You forgot to add, "now some idiot will post that it's not... but it might not be."

[TJrandom]

...What are the requirements for being an IT Manager?
any specific years to study or background work CV?what?

Start as a technician, then gain experience thru work assignments. Gradually add project management and staff management. Keep abreast of the general trends in technology and most importantly - in your industry, and how those trends help with your specific company.

Work your butt off. Assist other departments achieve their goals. Then, thru promotions - gain wider responsibilities and higher pay. You will become an IT Manager in no time – and say after 10 years, you may actually be worth your high salary.

[Chromedome]

CEO google.

[Leiland]

Start as a technician, then gain experience thru work assignments. Gradually add project management and staff management. Keep abreast of the general trends in technology and most importantly - in your industry, and how those trends help with your specific company.

Work your butt off. Assist other departments achieve their goals. Then, thru promotions - gain wider responsibilities and higher pay. You will become an IT Manager in no time – and say after 10 years, you may actually be worth your high salary.

Yeah thanks to every one, except the bitting and blowing comment xD
Anyway thanks it helped me a lot and yeah its been 2 years since I am wasting my butt I had to stop my online projects because I have no butt piece left xD
Anyhow can you people post your jobs and how you did gain experience?

[shonanfred]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY
Fred

[shonanfred]

The requirements for being an IT manager today are:
1. taking it up the butt dry!
2. Sucking nice big one and not biting

So that girl I met last weekend at the Hub was an IT manager?
Fred

[speedboat]

Guys what is most profiting job at the IT domain?I currently know an IT Manager is!!
Which I know that: Accenture pays a Senior Manager IT a salary of 13-14 M Yen a YEAR! which is roughly around 1.3M a month!
Anyone knows better?
Thanks guys!
AND PLEASE!!!
What are the requirements for being an IT Manager?
any specific years to study or background work CV?what?

Well, if your an example of someone wanting to become an IT staff member at any company, a person with a sane grasp of English will have a better chance than you.

[Leiland]

Well, if your an example of someone wanting to become an IT staff member at any company, a person with a sane grasp of English will have a better chance than you.

Are you criticizing my English?What the hell admit it its not that average!

[Spark]

Are you criticizing my English?What the hell admit it its not that average!

Well to be fair, and no offence intended, but your English is far from perfect.

Database admin for oracle is probably one of the most specialist and high paying roles that I know, especially for contractors and any high end roles involving data centers.

[TJrandom]

Yeah thanks to every one, except the bitting and blowing comment xD
Anyway thanks it helped me a lot and yeah its been 2 years since I am wasting my butt I had to stop my online projects because I have no butt piece left xD
Anyhow can you people post your jobs and how you did gain experience?

On your English... While I do of course realize that this is the internet and an open forum at that, had what you wrote been in a business related email - you might have written it as below:

My thanks to every one, except those who only provided harsh and sexually suggestive comments. You have helped me a lot. It has been 2 years since I started to waste my time with online projects.

Please further assist me by posting your job titles and explain how you gained experience.

[Chromedome]

Well, if your an example of someone wanting to become an IT staff member at any company, a person with a sane grasp of English will have a better chance than you.

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lol

[YokohamaTommy]

The requirements for being an IT manager today are:
1. taking it up the butt dry!
2. Sucking nice big one and not biting

You forgot no sleep. Ever.
and your body gets its life forced slowly sucked from your every pore, until one day you gaze into the mirror and see you are nothing but a dry, empty husk; the hopes and dreams of a once chipper man are now as black as the deepest pits of hellspawned nightmares.

Generally good 401k though, so there's that.

[TJrandom]

...Generally good 401k though, so there's that.

And if you have saved 50% of take-home, after 20 years you will be well on your way to being financially secure and set for the rest of your life. You will have no debt, your house will be paid for, your wife and kids will be happy, and there will be talk of grandkids to come. The next 40 to 50 years will be yours.

[YokohamaTommy]

The next 40 to 50 years will be yours.

Very true. -but assuming you live that long.
I think you know as well as I, that being an I.T. manager in a large-scale enterprise will take it's toll.
It's not the tech that's a problem. No, never.
It's politics.
Dealing with morons, backstabbers, straight up demons, wanna-be retards, car-salesmen, and the occasional delusional a$$-wipe from India.

If you can survive these obstacles, and make yourself of non-caring evil iron-focused devil, hell-bent on the ultimate goal and strike down all that oppose you, even god (sorry, drunk and channeling S.Chiba) then victory at a reasonably-priced retirement condo shall be yours.

[TJrandom]

Very true. -but assuming you live that long.
I think you know as well as I, that being an I.T. manager in a large-scale enterprise will take it's toll.
It's not the tech that's a problem. No, never.
It's politics.
Dealing with morons, backstabbers, straight up demons, wanna-be retards, car-salesmen, and the occasional delusional a$$-wipe from India.

If you can survive these obstacles, and make yourself of non-caring evil iron-focused devil, hell-bent on the ultimate goal and strike down all that oppose you, even god (sorry, drunk and channeling S.Chiba) then victory at a reasonably-priced retirement condo shall be yours.

There was a saying in the mid-60's US, when welfare and poverty were issues - a bumper sticker: Hard Work Never Killed Anyone. Well of course we now know that isn't actually true, and you can die from too much work.

This said - there is no reason in my mind to assume that IT has any more of the issues you suggest than say, Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Lecturer/Professorship, etc. Artists probably face less BS, but then they frequently do not eat.

[YokohamaTommy]

There was a saying in the mid-60's US, when welfare and poverty were issues - a bumper sticker: Hard Work Never Killed Anyone. Well of course we now know that isn't actually true, and you can die from too much work.

This said - there is no reason in my mind to assume that IT has any more of the issues you suggest than say, Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Lecturer/Professorship, etc. Artists probably face less BS, but then they frequently do not eat.

I.T. has never received it's proper dues.
Why? We are the Nijnas in the background; kill ourselves to make magic happen.
Network hasn't been down in 6 months? Why, the upper management wonders why the hell they keep us around.
That's called being efficient and GOOD at your god-damned job.
We work 72 hour shifts to make sure payroll goes out on time. We forgo food, water, sex, time with our wives and families,
(did I mention sex?) to ensure daily life goes unhindered. For the small things, like the silly-assed desktop wallpaper of a 400 X 200 shot of of some ugly-asses' baby which MUST be preserved, to the CEO who likes to download and save the WHOLE GAWD-DAMED internet from a golfer's perspective; from viruses, to "why can't my computer crap the lord-jesus-christ-himself in chocolate form, to users who feel it is their profound duty to F.u.c.k. up six months worth of beta testing cross-department efforts because they felt the need to visit http://www.helloilooklikeacouponforw...pleviruses.com AND install every happy, jumping fooking icon and smiley face that every existed. (gasp)

Then they have the nerve to complain why their virtual desktops (which they have no idea ARE virtual) can't download the Ilovevirtualjesus.exe
explain all you like. You will get the deer in the headlights all fooking day.
I mutter something about solar flares, and "quantum compliances" and they get it.
"Oh..some tech sh%t..."
"Yes Janiqua....by the time your artificial nails have dried, jesus will be with you via proxy.:
"Oh you so cool, mah sweet tech-no man!"

You gotta love users. They are the cream in our poison coffee.

God I need to go to Japan.



ask any Bunraku player in black.

That's us. bro.

[TJrandom]

I.T. has never received it's proper dues.
Why? We are the Nijnas in the background; kill ourselves to make magic happen.
Network hasn't been down in 6 months? Why, the upper management wonders why the hell they keep us around.
That's called being efficient and GOOD at your god-damned job.
We work 72 hour shifts to make sure payroll goes out on time. We forgo food, water, sex, time with our wives and families,
(did I mention sex?) to ensure daily life goes unhindered. For the small things, like the silly-assed desktop wallpaper of a 400 X 200 shot of of some ugly-asses' baby which MUST be preserved, to the CEO who likes to download and save the WHOLE GAWD-DAMED internet from a golfer's perspective; from viruses, to "why can't my computer crap the lord-jesus-christ-himself in chocolate form, to users who feel it is their profound duty to F.u.c.k. up six months worth of beta testing cross-department efforts because they felt the need to visit http://www.helloilooklikeacouponforw...pleviruses.com AND install every happy, jumping fooking icon and smiley face that every existed. (gasp)

Then they have the nerve to complain why their virtual desktops (which they have no idea ARE virtual) can't download the Ilovevirtualjesus.exe
explain all you like. You will get the deer in the headlights all fooking day.
I mutter something about solar flares, and "quantum compliances" and they get it.
"Oh..some tech sh%t..."
"Yes Janiqua....by the time your artificial nails have dried, jesus will be with you via proxy.:
"Oh you so cool, mah sweet tech-no man!"

You gotta love users. They are the cream in our poison coffee.

God I need to go to Japan.



ask any Bunraku player in black.

That's us. bro.

Oh, and did I mention that the IT professional must also master the "core business" of the firm - be it accounting, manufacturing, process control, food processing, etc.?

Yes - of course IT takes a beating at times - machines do break and some fool outside of IT won't understand why, or care.

But viruses? Downloading from non-secure sites? Unfiltered internet access? If these are your issues - you haven't locked it down sufficiently, or alternatively - set up a wild west anything goes outside of the firewall environment that is isolated from the things that matter. Controls need to be in place, and enforced thru technology. If this isn't possible - and you need to live with the good intentions of non-IT staff to be following the rules - then if a virus brings down something because someone broke the rules - make sure everyone knows how it came to pass.

[biking]

Oh, and did I mention that the IT professional must also master the "core business" of the firm - be it accounting, manufacturing, process control, food processing, etc.?

Yes - of course IT takes a beating at times - machines do break and some fool outside of IT won't understand why, or care.

But viruses? Downloading from non-secure sites? Unfiltered internet access? If these are your issues - you haven't locked it down sufficiently, or alternatively - set up a wild west anything goes outside of the firewall environment that is isolated from the things that matter. Controls need to be in place, and enforced thru technology. If this isn't possible - and you need to live with the good intentions of non-IT staff to be following the rules - then if a virus brings down something because someone broke the rules - make sure everyone knows how it came to pass.

TJ - a tight It policy is fine and many companies have this implemented, except for the few "elite" who do not know their rear from their elbow! I have worked in high tech companies for many years and have worked within large IT teams or I have been it when it comes to IT. The inane questions that users ask can be baffling, frustrating and they let go at you because the "PC just won't work" - "Ah, sir, did you trying putting the plug back into the socket when you moved your desk" (and yes that did happen). And of course you have to keep a great big smile on your face even though they are venting at you, and it is not because they cannot get into the accounting system but because they cannot play their online golf or poker game!

Frustrating is not the word I would use for dealing with non-tech people in the IT world. But I love IT - so much changes every day and there's always something new to learn, from programming chips in machine code, to the latest and greatest mobile technologies of today. However I think I would prefer to go back to the simplicity of the config.sys file of the DOS era (maybe I am getting too old for this!!!).

YT - Still no matter where you go and work in IT you will come across those who just do not understand. For example here in Japan my wife works in a small architectural firm and they use CAD to create all their technical drawings. They have an IT guy who really is not all there (both mentally and in regard to his IT skills). Last year the place was hit twice by lightning and they lost their server and a couple of PCs due to electrical surges induced, not to mention all the work that was lost when the server and the PCs went down. I suggested to the owner of the company that he should have the IT guy look into surge protection and UPS to keep the systems up until they can at least be shut down in a controlled way at a minimum. I was asked to explain this to the IT guy, which I did, and got the glazed eye expression. I put it in writing to them and thought they would get on with it. They got hit the second time and again I talked to them but this time I actually provided links to the items they would need to purchase. Again nothing was done and when the quake hit they lost their server again and a few PCs as well as some weeks' worth of work.

Some people just to not get it! Such are the frustrations of the IT person and you have to continue to smile, as sometimes that is all that you can do. I think that many IT people could put together a very humourous book with the anecdotes from experiences they have had with users!

OP - I would suggest talking to a few head hunter agencies and talk to them - but I agree with others that your English level leaves a little to be desired. If you are going to work in Japan then you will have to have Japanese at a good level and if not then excellent English! I guess that you have neither. This puts you at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to anyone looking to hire you. The hiring manager, or the HR person, will receive 100s of applications and they are only looking for the first mistake or excuse to reject your CV so that they can reduce the number of CVs that they will actually read, and again that number will be reduced to candidates they will actually contact for interview.

As TJ pointed out getting to where the money is good is a matter of putting in the years, unless you are a Bill Gates, a Matt Zuckerberg or a Steve Jobs!

[YokohamaTommy]

But viruses? Downloading from non-secure sites? Unfiltered internet access? If these are your issues - you haven't locked it down sufficiently, or alternatively - set up a wild west anything goes outside of the firewall environment that is isolated from the things that matter. Controls need to be in place, and enforced thru technology. If this isn't possible - and you need to live with the good intentions of non-IT staff to be following the rules - then if a virus brings down something because someone broke the rules - make sure everyone knows how it came to pass.

Young sir,
I admire you. How naive you are in that all the proxies and firewalls and rule-sets and lock-downs and corporate protocols that you have so meticulously fostered and battled with and put in place can be undermined by something so simple, something you gleaned again and again as you perused the precious architecture you so painstakenly built; only to be undone by a highly motivated redneck and his penchant for online gambling.
I assure you sir, NO network, the matter of the team being the "best of the best" which I indeed have scoped, trained and employed, will EVER protect you from the tenacious renegade user.

[TJrandom]

..., NO network, the matter of the team being the "best of the best" which I indeed have scoped, trained and employed, will EVER protect you from the tenacious renegade user.

Well I disagree - only a good hacker allowed free rein inside our fire wall will be able to gain access to such sites. But just for grins - say one does... In my world - he be toast and gone the next day, because our IT and HR rules match. And if this were not the case - we would lose our license as a company to operate, and be out of business - so there is a good incentive for it all to work.

Do penetration testing - hire experts to review settings, identify any vulnerabilities, and with knowledge thus gained - try to gain access. If they are successful - you have a hole to fix. So far, no holes here.

[YokohamaTommy]

Well I disagree - only a good hacker allowed free rein inside our fire wall will be able to gain access to such sites. But just for grins - say one does... In my world - he be toast and gone the next day, because our IT and HR rules match. And if this were not the case - we would lose our license as a company to operate, and be out of business - so there is a good incentive for it all to work.

Then I must respectfully say in the most humble of terms, you are fool as you are inexperienced.
Look at Sony, Microsoft, Google, Amazon. Any of the fortune 500. None are safe, and none are as hardened as they would like.
The persistence of intrusion hangs like a shadow over all that we do.
When you have led a global enterprise, come talk to me. There's always some niche to be exploited, some vulnerability you have not planned for, some patch Tuesday that came too late. How many users were you responsible for? 500? 1000? try 50,000 spread across multiple domains, several MPLS networks and you have some concept of what I mean. You can cordon, segment, isolate all you wish.
The very nature of communication means there will always be a way.
Sure, you can cut off everything to everyone. But there always exists a balance between security and usability.
And that, is where we, as I.T. professionals are taken to task most hardest, and where we truly are heroes, each one of us.

[TJrandom]

Then I must respectfully say in the most humble of terms, you are fool as you are inexperienced.
Look at Sony, Microsoft, Google, Amazon. Any of the fortune 500. None are safe, and none are as hardened as they would like.
The persistence of intrusion hangs like a shadow over all that we do.
When you have led a global enterprise, come talk to me. There's always some niche to be exploited, some vulnerability you have not planned for, some patch Tuesday that came too late. How many users were you responsible for? 500? 100? try 50,000 spread across multiple domains, several MPLS networks and you have some concept of what I mean. You can cordon, segment, isolate all you wish.
The very nature of communication means there will always be a way.
Sure, you can cut off everything to everyone. But there always exists a balance between security and usability.
And that, is where we, as I.T. professionals are taken to task most hardest, and where we truly are heroes, each one of us.

I don't think I would be name calling.... I have supported my 1,500 users in a 30,000 global technology services company with 70 in my IT – across the full breath of IT disciplines. I take it a bit easier these days.

None of the firms you listed would lose their right to exist if compromised, and may indeed believe - as you have written, that there is a tradeoff between usability and security. For us - usability means use the services we in IT provide, and no more - and certainly no external sites except a specifically allowed. No social networking, no USBs, no importing or exporting except thru the managed service, annual intrusion testing by experts in the field, etc. No claim to perfection, just good IT management.

And yes - there is always a new exploit to be defended against - and it helps not being large, as there is no reward for hacking us given that we are smaller. Of course there are ways to break security controls - so the secret is to keep on top of it all and keep your head down.

[YokohamaTommy]

I don't think I would be name calling.... I have supported my 1,500 users in a 30,000 global technology services company with 70 in my IT – across the full breath of IT disciplines. I take it a bit easier these days.

None of the firms you listed would lose their right to exist if compromised, and may indeed believe - as you have written, that there is a tradeoff between usability and security. For us - usability means use the services we in IT provide, and no more - and certainly no external sites except a specifically allowed. No social networking, no USBs, no importing or exporting except thru the managed service, annual intrusion testing by experts in the field, etc. No claim to perfection, just good IT management.

And yes - there is always a new exploit to be defended against - and it helps not being large, as there is no reward for hacking us given that we are smaller. Of course there are ways to break security controls - so the secret is to keep on top of it all and keep your head down.

I don't think I would be name calling....

I should have said that more eloquently, and I apologize.
What I meant to say is that it would be foolish of us as I.T. professionals to think we've simply thought of everything and then dust-off our hands and walk away. Locking down everything isn't always an option, but even so, wide scale-implementations only work if upper-management is on board, which they most often aren't. At the I.T. Manager/Director level it becomes less about the methodology and more about politics. To us, we know what to do to make things secure and productive, but corporate officers almost always never do.

We can come up with the most fool-proof strategies which make absolute business and logical sense, but if we cannot convince the ones paying for it why it is necessary, we'll never get things done. This is compounded by the number of locations you may have, each one of them having their own management, differing levels of technology, different business solutions needs, different requirements and office culture. -and each one these often is allowed to have their two cents and arguments. People look to us to make their workflow less restrictive and easier for the user, and to always add value, -and not take anything away. Yet they also want security, reliability and redundancy, and all under their notions of what it should cost.

Not only do we need to fill the role of I.T. managers, but we must also be diplomats, politicians, teachers and corporate navigators; we must also constantly remind ourselves that first and foremost, we are customer service oriented, both internal and external.

[TJrandom]

..............it would be foolish of us as I.T. professionals to think we've simply thought of everything and then dust-off our hands and walk away. Locking down everything isn't always an option, but even so, wide scale-implementations only work if upper-management is on board, which they most often aren't. At the I.T. Manager/Director level it becomes less about the methodology and more about politics. To us, we know what to do to make things secure and productive, but corporate officers almost always never do.

We can come up with the most fool-proof strategies which make absolute business and logical sense, but if we cannot convince the ones paying for it why it is necessary, we'll never get things done. This is compounded by the number of locations you may have, each one of them having their own management, differing levels of technology, different business solutions needs, different requirements and office culture. -and each one these often is allowed to have their two cents and arguments. People look to us to make their workflow less restrictive and easier for the user, and to always add value, -and not take anything away. Yet they also want security, reliability and redundancy, and all under their notions of what it should cost.

Not only do we need to fill the role of I.T. managers, but we must also be diplomats, politicians, teachers and corporate navigators; we must also constantly remind ourselves that first and foremost, we are customer service oriented, both internal and external.

No disagreements there.......

[LinuxFun]

Do you have any experience with computers. Have you ever worked in the I.T. field?

[baki]

I.T. has never received it's proper dues.

I second this sentiment.

[Tcheburashka]

And if you have saved 50% of take-home, after 20 years you will be well on your way to being financially secure and set for the rest of your life. You will have no debt, your house will be paid for, your wife and kids will be happy, and there will be talk of grandkids to come. The next 40 to 50 years will be yours.

More likely, your life style will grow with your salary, you'll pick up loans on expensive cars, bigger house, then your kids will grow and demand expensive cars, then they will want you to ship them to expensive colleges, then your new rich friends will point out to you that a man of your income can put up with a better looking and 20-years younger wife and you'll get an expensive divorce with an expensive lawyer(s) and a new wife that wants expensive cars, a bigger house, more kids who will grow up and demand expensive cars and expensive colleges yada-yada-yada... keep dreaming.

[Spark]

I second this sentiment.

Agreed but after 5 years in the industry and still in my 20's, I'm not entirely inclined to stay with it.

The money isn't terrible and it isn't too difficult to find work in western countries at least from my experience but it is also extremely stressful and unhealthy.

[Leiland]

Agreed but after 5 years in the industry and still in my 20's, I'm not entirely inclined to stay with it.

The money isn't terrible and it isn't too difficult to find work in western countries at least from my experience but it is also extremely stressful and unhealthy.

Yeah,but what about Japan?is it even harder to find a decent job?

[TJrandom]

More likely, ... keep dreaming.

I have done what I suggested - and we managed without the negative results that you suggest. I have seen others who have achieved the picture you paint. The choice is there for everyone, save major illness, etc.

[ENF]

Yeah,but what about Japan?is it even harder to find a decent job?

Get in line with everyone else looking for a job. There still are more people looking for work than there are jobs available.

[paradoxbox]

yada-yada-yada... keep dreaming.

dude don't diss tjrandom he's the only person on this board that's not a piece of $hit (excepting those in the countryside forum)

[biking]

dude don't diss tjrandom he's the only person on this board that's not a piece of $hit (excepting those in the countryside forum)

I could take that to heart paradox! I've been called a lot of things but a piece of sh1t, you just done gone hurt my feelings here!

[Tcheburashka]

dude don't diss tjrandom he's the only person on this board that's not a piece of $hit (excepting those in the countryside forum)

No, no offense meant at all, I was rather reminiscing on my own tough experience Although I am probably only midway through this sad story, and hopefully can still break the trend and end up in a better place than what I described

[paradoxbox]

I could take that to heart paradox! I've been called a lot of things but a piece of sh1t, you just done gone hurt my feelings here!

as i said those in the countryside forum are exempt, you live in ibaraki you're exempt by default! no worries