Japan Vs. China

[monkeywrench]

I think you're reading too much into a throwaway remark of little import. I wasn't burning the flag, you know.

No no, I love a good flag burning...especially when it entails some unexpected singed eyebrows.

Hospitals and toilets can certainly improve there.

Oh I don't know, I found the doctor who was jabbering away at full volume to the nurse as he pretended to listen to my heartbeat through a stethoscope, with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, to be kind of endearing. And the doc who specialized in removing foreign objects from ears was top-class...
http://forum.gaijinpot.com/showthrea...538#post680538
But yeah, China isn't a place I'd want to be needing serious medical attention. Mind you, I'd say the same of Japan, which minus good cars and electronics, is basically a backward 3rd world country too.

At least they got the toilets right here though. Slice of heaven.

Have you ever been to China? Do you even know what it is like to be an average ignorant Chinese SOB? What you are saying is complete bull. Contrary to this misguided (sarcastic) person's belief, Japanese kids are not brainwashed w/ anti Chinese propaganda. If anything, nationalistic jingoism is frowned upon in Japanese society. Hence, you have those right wing idiots driving around in black vans spewing anti Chinese/ North Korean/ American broadcasts, whom most people ignore.

Sorry dude, but jay-jay was spot on there. When Wen Jiabao personally visited recently to express solidarity with Japan, he was greeted with - you guessed it - yet another anti-China protest over the Senkaku Islands. How appropriate. And it wasn't just the idiot right wingers that everyone ignores (but secretly approves of), it was regular pissed off folks and families. Your typical Japanese can't stand China, and doesn't think much of the rest of the world either. This begins with a thorough miseducation beginning in childhood that continues as staggering ignorance throughout their adult lives. East Asians in general are still pretty tribal/nationalistic. I would say Japan is the worst among them with its island mentality and extreme uchi-soto enculturation. The powers that be here could be said to be even worse than the CCP in the way they've managed to brainwash a whole country into taking it up the a-ss without question, convinced them that not to take it up the a-ss without a big smile and profuse gratitude is to be a bad Japanese and that their society has always been so (lie), and even though the internet is wide open here, the vast majority lack the curiosity or conviction to use it in any way except to idly check out the latest foreign pop music/movies and otherwise get together on the world's largest forum to talk about how great their country is and slag off everyone else.

You like to talk about the average SOB/hoi polloi, how about this - for people who have lived in Japan, even for 20 years or more, how many genuine Japanese friends do you have? Not just buddies to hang out with casually but ones you would call true friends and who really understand you? In a mere couple of years in China I made a few of those...

[iago]

No no, I love a good flag burning...especially when it entails some unexpected singed eyebrows.

It's fortunate there was beer handy, or the whole thing could have rather gone out of control.

[jay-jay]

Have you ever been to China? Do you even know what it is like to be an average ignorant Chinese SOB? What you are saying is complete bull. Contrary to this misguided (sarcastic) person's belief, Japanese kids are not brainwashed w/ anti Chinese propaganda. If anything, nationalistic jingoism is frowned upon in Japanese society. Hence, you have those right wing idiots driving around in black vans spewing anti Chinese/ North Korean/ American broadcasts, whom most people ignore.
Incidentally, I managed to find a couple of vending machines in the middle of Guangzhou. Guess what? They didn't even work. So much for this great city of the future.
Don't misunderstand me. I think the average Chinese person is friendly and sincere. I have many Chinese friends. I just can't stand China's sorry excuse for a government. The folks in Taiwan are currently worried about their president, Mr. Ma, and for good reason. He wants to "forge" closer relations w/ China. Translation, according to him it's only a matter of time until Tibet, whoops, Taiwan becomes a part of the mainland. The Vietnamese are also pissed off w/ the influx of Chinese migrants across their border. And w/ good reason. There are many Chinese who lay claim to Vietnam as being a part of China as well.
And yes. I agree w/ a previous comment. If I were to visit China again, I'd like to go to Shanghai if only because it appears to be more civilized.

brainwashing happens in both places, but with different colors. in china, they simply show pictures of nanking, explain how they raped and murdered everyone around, that's it, job done. in japan they do in the other way around, they simply skip any dark age in japanese history, and keep going with the nihonjinron and how special they are. in my opinion, brainwashing in both cases.

the problem of omitting the presence of the black vans is that you are passively accepting them. lots of japanese are racist and extremely ethnocentric, just "polite" on the surface.

you then complain about the government... to be honest, i think the average chinese person in a big city is LESS affected by its government than the average japanese person.

ps. by the way, no i have never been in china, nor in japan, nor in korea, nor in taiwan, nor in singapore, nor in hong kong... as a matter of fact, i am writing from alaska.

[JShaman]

Fair enough but are you any more likely to be accepted by the Chinese (and I mean the average local, not the nouveau riche who want to have western friends to booster their status)? I doubt it from what I have read and been told by Chinese friends.

Actually..the average Chinese is quite open, friendly, and gregarious by nature, and friendships are robust. You won't find people walking around with a "gaijin complex"in China. At the same time, when doing business one has to be careful...the ethic here is "if you allow me to cheat you, its your fault."

[scipio]

brainwashing happens in both places, but with different colors. in china, they simply show pictures of nanking, explain how they raped and murdered everyone around, that's it, job done. in japan they do in the other way around, they simply skip any dark age in japanese history, and keep going with the nihonjinron and how special they are. in my opinion, brainwashing in both cases.

the problem of omitting the presence of the black vans is that you are passively accepting them. lots of japanese are racist and extremely ethnocentric, just "polite" on the surface.

you then complain about the government... to be honest, i think the average chinese person in a big city is LESS affected by its government than the average japanese person.

ps. by the way, no i have never been in china, nor in japan, nor in korea, nor in taiwan, nor in singapore, nor in hong kong... as a matter of fact, i am writing from alaska.

Probably the best post on this thread.

I would like to add that the Japanese version of brainwashing entails the dumbing down of the individual to the lowest common denominator, eventually resulting in a contemporary culture which is shallow, childish, ignorant. repetitive and very very boring.
The Chinese version of brainwashing is more overtly political than intellectual, resulting in stratas of culture with varying degrees of sophistication and depth.
Sure, in both countries, I can meet a lot of ignorant individuals, like elsewhere, but the major difference and it definitely makes China more interesting, is that China allows me opportunities to meet the other. While in Japan, no matter which strata of society I interact with, that wall of ignorance is always there and way too high for me to climb. Japan is a very very very boring place to work.

Ever given your Japanese university students a blank map of Asia and challenged them to place the name of the country with the correct location? I've done it a hundred times and 95% of the time the students have failed to get more than 30% correct.

A person who knows only one country knows no country at all.

[jay-jay]

probably the best post on this thread.

I would like to add that the japanese version of brainwashing entails the dumbing down of the individual to the lowest common denominator, eventually resulting in a contemporary culture which is shallow, childish, ignorant. Repetitive and very very boring.
The chinese version of brainwashing is more overtly political than intellectual, resulting in stratas of culture with varying degrees of sophistication and depth.
Sure, in both countries, i can meet a lot of ignorant individuals, like elsewhere, but the major difference and it definitely makes china more interesting, is that china allows me opportunities to meet the other. While in japan, no matter which strata of society i interact with, that wall of ignorance is always there and way too high for me to climb. Japan is a very very very boring place to work.

Ever given your japanese university students a blank map of asia and challenged them to place the name of the country with the correct location? I've done it a hundred times and 95% of the time the students have failed to get more than 30% correct.

A person who knows only one country knows no country at all.

amen. .

[pjb]

Probably the best post on this thread.

I would like to add that the Japanese version of brainwashing entails the dumbing down of the individual to the lowest common denominator, eventually resulting in a contemporary culture which is shallow, childish, ignorant. repetitive and very very boring.
The Chinese version of brainwashing is more overtly political than intellectual, resulting in stratas of culture with varying degrees of sophistication and depth.
Sure, in both countries, I can meet a lot of ignorant individuals, like elsewhere, but the major difference and it definitely makes China more interesting, is that China allows me opportunities to meet the other. While in Japan, no matter which strata of society I interact with, that wall of ignorance is always there and way too high for me to climb. Japan is a very very very boring place to work.

Ever given your Japanese university students a blank map of Asia and challenged them to place the name of the country with the correct location? I've done it a hundred times and 95% of the time the students have failed to get more than 30% correct.

A person who knows only one country knows no country at all.

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And yes, American beer is universally regarded as sucking more than a jet engine.

[-XoX-]

FYI if there was another Korean War China would be on the South's side.

To the poll- Japan all the way.
Its a much freer country (though still not perfect) and is one of the most developed countries in the world. China meanwhile is a developing nation ran by a very dodgy dictatorship.
And the Chinese language is mad. Japanese is cool.

[LinuxFun]

FYI if there was another Korean War China would be on the South's side.

To the poll- Japan all the way.
Its a much freer country (though still not perfect) and is one of the most developed countries in the world. China meanwhile is a developing nation ran by a very dodgy dictatorship.
And the Chinese language is mad. Japanese is cool.

No, north Korea has a strong relationship with China. South Korea is influence by America. China's economy is in a better position than Japan. China is oppressive but Japan is dogmatic.

[-XoX-]

No, north Korea has a strong relationship with China. South Korea is influence by America. China's economy is in a better position than Japan. China is oppressive but Japan is dogmatic.

China has a stronger relationship with South Korea. Much more money to be made there.
China are forced to stay friendly with the North for the time being since the Korean War generation are still alive but give it a decade or two for those people to die and they're going to get even frostier to the north than they already are.
Really, if it comes to another Korean War there's no question that China would ever support the North. It would be supporting the side which is sure to lose; supporting the side which, if it won, would be worst for them; risking WW3; supporting a country which it sees as liability over what is fast becoming a major trading partner; supporting a backwards, xenophobic country over one which could one day be a valuable Chinese puppet.

And though China's economy is doing better than that of Japan Japan is still by far the richer country and the better place for an individual.

[Chuck Sickens]

Really, if it comes to another Korean War there's no question that China would ever support the North. It would be supporting the side which is sure to lose; supporting the side which, if it won, would be worst for them; risking WW3; supporting a country which it sees as liability over what is fast becoming a major trading partner; supporting a backwards, xenophobic country over one which could one day be a valuable Chinese puppet.

And though China's economy is doing better than that of Japan Japan is still by far the richer country and the better place for an individual.

Has to be the worst and most ignorant post on this thread.

[-XoX-]

Has to be the worst and most ignorant post on this thread.

Shows how little you know.

[Chuck Sickens]

Shows how little you know.

If you could pull your head out of your eurocentric @ss and learn a little about Asian history of the last 2000 years as well as the ethnic demographics of north east Asian, then you would stop posting your 'China will let North Korea take the fall' BS posts.

China no more wants to see a united Korea on its borders than it wishes to see it's south eastern borders dominated by Vietnam.

Go buy a basic history book on Asian history and you might grasp what Chinese foreign policy, concerning its neighbours, has been and will be for the future.

It's idiotic thinking like yours that caused the first Korean war and will, if the republicans win the next presidential elections, cause the next one.

Back to topic.

[-XoX-]

If you could pull your head out of your eurocentric @ss and learn a little about Asian history of the last 2000 years as well as the ethnic demographics of north east Asian, then you would stop posting your 'China will let North Korea take the fall' BS posts.

China no more wants to see a united Korea on its borders than it wishes to see it's south eastern borders dominated by Vietnam.

Go buy a basic history book on Asian history and you might grasp what Chinese foreign policy, concerning its neighbours, has been and will be for the future.

It's idiotic thinking like yours that caused the first Korean war and will, if the republicans win the next presidential elections, cause the next one.

Back to topic.

Ahh the 'HISTORY ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF!!111' view of the modern world.
I'm afraid things just don't work that way old boy.

Would they prefer two seperate Koreas that they could divide and rule? Of course. I never said anything contrary to that. If there is to be one Korea however along whose lines would they prefer it- north or south. These days the answer is well and truly the south.

To suggest that China would defend North Korea on the occasion of another Korean war is just mad and shows a complete ignorance of modern China. North Korea is a worthless liability, the South is a valuable trading partner.

The prospect of Americans on their border is the only factor which could worry the Chinese however South Korea is already America-hostile enough, even with the North threatening them. I'd wager good money that on the occasion of another Korean war a deal would be reached whereby its agreed post-war Korea be neutral and the Americans would withdraw. China has absolutely F.A. to fear from Korea on its own and would be perfectly happy with this arrangment.
Hell, even if there was no agreement the South would kick the Americans out anyway once things stabilised.

And you are the one with idiotic republican thinking here mate.

[jay-jay]

Ahh the 'HISTORY ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF!!111' view of the modern world.
I'm afraid things just don't work that way old boy.

Would they prefer two seperate Koreas that they could divide and rule? Of course. I never said anything contrary to that. If there is to be one Korea however along whose lines would they prefer it- north or south. These days the answer is well and truly the south.

To suggest that China would defend North Korea on the occasion of another Korean war is just mad and shows a complete ignorance of modern China. North Korea is a worthless liability, the South is a valuable trading partner.

The prospect of Americans on their border is the only factor which could worry the Chinese however South Korea is already America-hostile enough, even with the North threatening them. I'd wager good money that on the occasion of another Korean war a deal would be reached whereby its agreed post-war Korea be neutral and the Americans would withdraw. China has absolutely F.A. to fear from Korea on its own and would be perfectly happy with this arrangment.
Hell, even if there was no agreement the South would kick the Americans out anyway once things stabilised.

And you are the one with idiotic republican thinking here mate.

i think china is ok with a divided korea (gives me political pull) or united (great trading partner).
japan prefers a divided korea, because if unites, it would be a big, too big, competitor. similar size, cheaper labour, highly skilled personel, etc....

overall, the status quo is OK for everyone but the poor north korean who gets 500kcal a day.

[lazzaris]

Interesting comments. I have lived in both Japan and China for a number of years, and now have my own business in Shanghai. Both places have their upsides and downsides...so its a matter of where you feel you fit in the best. I acknowledge all of the criticisms made of Chinese behavior and sanitation.....but it doesn't apply to ALL. There are cultured and sophisticated people here that hate Chinese behaviors that cause foreigners to look askance. I've had my share of J-girls and Chi-girls, and would have to put the J-girls at the top in every category, especially attitude.
Although the Chicoms try to moniter everything, there are ways around it. The internet is open if you get VPN.....and I have never been bothered by any MIB's since being here.
Japan is still as racist as it ever was, and one does get weary of being denied entrance-"Japanese önly!".....or girls that cross the street just to avoid walking next to you...or people refusing to sit next to you on the subway, etc., etc. The food is better, its cleaner, civility is the rule rather than the exception....but I feel sorry for the foreigners who strive to behave like a Japanese, adopting mannerisms and speech idiosyncracies in a desperate effort to be accepted. It won't happen. So....thats my 10 cents.

I agree. When I first arrived, my feeling was like "If I behave like a Japanese, this means that I am a polite person, good mannered etc".
But after few months in this country, I see that the best is to live normally and fight to be respected for who I am.

Does not mater how good is your Japanese, they always are going to ask you "Can you eat Japanese food?! eeeeeee"

But if I had to choose between here and China, of course, I would stay right here.
China is a kind of Japan, however, delayed by some centuries.

[timhot]

Japan is the best now.. But China is leading development country in the world. It will be much success in the future. We like both Japan and China

[oxymoron]

I've done business with both Japanese and Chinese companies, over the years. From my experience, I enjoy doing business and trust Japanese companies, but refuse to ever deal with Chinese companies ever again (hate the lies and deception!).

[rainbowtokyo]

I've done business with both Japanese and Chinese companies, over the years. From my experience, I enjoy doing business and trust Japanese companies, but refuse to ever deal with Chinese companies ever again (hate the lies and deception!).

What's that got to do with the price of eggs in China?

[bestJPsince2008]

china is one of those countries that falls into the category of "extremely interesting" if you are a history buff and "hell on earth" when it comes to actually living there. Also, chinese women? absolutely disgusting. almost as bad as white women

[monkeywrench]

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[monkeywrench]

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And our Viet Nam manufacture is traditional masters.

[monkeywrench]

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Now also making many many large new resort for you with golf courses, casinos and best Viet Nam young boy and girl. We make all your vices happy. With modern improvement, we love you even longer time.

[monkeywrench]

After under age sex you go relax to Viet Nam pristine beach. Almost landmines is gone and local people is very friendly share with foreign devil.



"Imperialist Yanks shot me in the balls during war. But I don't shout at you anymore, white pig."






"Damn. On my a-ss again. Hey filthy American! Give us a hand!"






"Well fu-ck you then."













Nevermind handicap old man, for you next globalizing venture or vacation plans, make your first and last stop Viet Nam. Where weather is always sunny. Always.

[bestJPsince2008]

vietnam looks like a fun place. i hop to visit one day

[StarfoxPro]

America will be bankrupt before WWIII breaks out, you can bet on that.

While it is a possibility, I think America would want WWIII because of all the money it can make from it. There is a book out called "Why America can't kick militarism" (or something like that). One of the reasons I moved here is because I got sick of my tax money going toward wars I did not care about.

[Mustachioed-Ken]

Nice to see my post of ten years ago is still alive and pumping..

I hadn't been to this site in yonks, until some chirpy gaijin lad sent me a PM yesterday saying "MORON: REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE GENE POOL, CRETIN!" Ahhh ~ You gaijin are such classy characters. I really wish he specified which post pissed him off so much: it was probably the fact I admitted smoking weed in Japan. (I urge you to bring up this subject as a test to find out which gaijin are worth your time or not).

I think the reason most of you seem to be rating Japan so much higher than China is due to the fact that your standard of living has nothing to do with the quality of your relationships with people, but rather more to do with the cleanliness of your chopsticks. Gimme a bowl of soup ripe in cockroaches, as long as the PEOPLE I'm with are genuine and emotive, over the stiff, dull robots spouting 'OISHI!!!' before the damn food's even touched their lips ANY DAY OF THE YEAR!

[Andun]

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