Bangalore is purely an IT Hub. Very few companies are there related to Core engineering like Civil, Electrical, Mechanical etc in Bangalore.
I may resign and run away. Either look for some work in Japan itself or go back India. But in either ways, I wonder whether it will help me professionally in my future jobs?.
How will I explain my gap during interviews for other companies, for I am sure that this company won't be giving me experience certificate etc on leaving before serving three years service bond.
Following my illness and the drama 2 weeks back, things have improved . But it's difficult to say as to how long things remain okay. As such now my inspiration has completely evaporated.
I am still waiting for their Overseas guy who will come back next Monday.
I am studying German solely for the purpose of studying in Germany/Netherlands next year. At present my German language skills are better than Japanese. But I have reached an equilibrium where I can comfortably study both the languages without confusing either.
Besides even if can't acquire the minimum skills required for admission in German taught courses, they also have few English taught courses in my preferred area(s) of interest.
However, I pondered on your suggestion and tried to make my Japanese learning work related. For e.g. insisted them that I submit my report in Japanese instead in English, to which they agreed.Now while writing my Daily Report, I consume as much as 35-45 minutes (mostly after office hours) and preparing a list of Kanjis. This has greatly improved my motivation and everyday learn Kanji related to my work. No one complains about it, since I am actually doing a job-related work.
Many thanks for your advice on this issue.
A very happy New year to all the fellow posters!.
So finally today I discussed this income issue. Back after a long trip, I was quite refreshed and did not felt much agony as earlier (though I got a bit emotional while narrating the events). The setting I chose was outside the office, and along with the overseas guy, whom I trust the most.
I narrated him the consequences in which I took this job, the offers, difficulties I faced here , apart from many other things. But as expected, I knew that there won't be any constructive support. For he too is a company employee and bound by it's rules. Although, he accepted that this was not a great amount, he told that 'this' company gives less money and not everyone is satisfied (including himself).
But then he had more to say- the usual stuff like I am young and should not consider money at this stage. I should be fortunate that I am getting a foreign training in start of my career itself, and after 2-3 years, back In India, I will be a technical head soon and will have good work and salary alike. I am here in Japan, and not working as a Japanese employee, rather as an Indian trainee so should not compare with them.
But however, he was speechless when I showed him the exact figures from Labor Standards Office. He told me that I am in a 'special' setting and a 'different treatment'. Having said this, he too knew that I won't buy his logic.
He tried to convince me by telling that 55000 Yen is a decent amount for a living. But when I started getting into specifics about rent of apartment, a simple hair cut, groceries, he again did not had anything to say. Though I did not stretch the matter further, because he is quite senior to me, and I did not wish to embarrass him.
Similar logic went for the unnecessary 3000 yen deduction from my salary ,when I mentioned that India had Double Taxation avoidance agreement (DTAA) with Japan and that money shouldn't be deducted. He knew this fact(having himself worked in India for 3 years) and tried to talk to management before my arrival, but of no use.
The passport issue, too , he had no words. If tomorrow, I wish to take GRE or so, which requires Passport , I need to take it from office, which may shock them, as they are already quite informed about my intentions of leaving (previous issue of applying to the college).
There were similar talks which went for nearly 2.5 hours. By now my main aim was to let him know about what I feel, and what caused my motivation to drop suddenly. He simply urged me to keep my moral high, yet added that it's upto me whether I choose to keep it up or low in the company.
Did the Labor Standards Office help you? Did you tell them about your passport?
Get your passport back, and never return it.
One nation, under God.
They will probably round up the whole affair saying that it was , after all, my fault to blindly sign the contract without properly doing my homework about Salary offered and Cost of Living in Osaka.
I have started application process for colleges, and once I get into one of my choice. I will quit ,but not before rendering the best possible that I can give, under those circumstances.
As for passport, I am going to ask for it very soon, for an exam to be given in February. If they give it easily, well and good. Else ..... let's wait and watch.
I made it clear today itself that I am going to ask for passport anytime, and may or may not be giving any reason for the same.
Hi to all fellow Gaijins
So, there was finally some peace in these 3 months, from January till the end of March. Meanwhile, I too worked on a lesson or two on Professional etiquette and things were fine.
But then they recently deducted some money from my salary, as I had taken leave ,which they said, was in my probation period (No where in my contract it was mentioned that I would be undergoing a 6 month probation period). I had already completed 6 months in the company when I took the leave. To which they said that 6 month duration was the time when I was in Japan.
Not having fixed pattern of rules, I was subjected to the whims and fancies of the Management.
This really pissed me off and I can't take anymore. I am hoping to quit soon.
However, while surfing on internet, I found this --
One of the point reads as
IV Resignation and Dismissal
The Labor Standards Law stipulates that an employer shall not force workers to work against their will (Article 5). Therefore an employee may give up his/her job whenever he/she wants to, but it should be done under the social rules.
Rules (and steps) in resigning differ according to whether or not the employment contract states a specified/fixed period of
(1) Contracts for a specified period;
In cases where the employee is contracted to work for a specified period of time, he/she should resign when the period of contract expires and the contract of employment will be terminated.
Resignation during the specified contract period is not allowed in principle without any proper, unavoidable reason (Article 628, Civil Law). In cases where the contract prescribes regulations concerning resignation, the employee should follow
these. It is possible that compensation for damages due to non-performance of obligation may be claimed by the company. An example would be in a case where an employee suddenly quits, regardless of regulations concerning advance notice in the contract, and the company is damaged by his/her early resignation.
Some companies or employers include in their labor contracts an obligation for the employee to pay penalty fees if a contract is broken, such as a resignation in the middle of a labor contract. Such a rule is invalid, however, because the rule is
against Article 16 of the Labor Standards Law which stipulates a “Predetermined Indemnity”.
This kind of worries me, because as stipulated in my contract, that the company is 'Not charging the cost of training from me'. I don't pay the company 'compensation for damages' if I leave the company before the completion of bond (which is 3 years ).
So here's the situation ; Can the company take legal action against me if I indeed decide to quit? If they do decide to do it, what legal support I can have at my disposal?
I would be giving them the 1 month notice prior to leaving, as stipulated in the contract. This would be done possibly after Golden week.
Waiting for your suggestions,
I found this story enjoyable to read as I am planning to move to Japan myself and try my luck. Looking at late 2012 it looks like you went thru quite a lot in terms of managing the potential risks and consequences in order to improve your circumstances. In the end, I think you should definitely take away that always owning your situation will ultimately lead to success and (in my opinion) getting bogged down with bitter feelings and blaming whats your control is what stifles learning from experiences. It was interesting to read your expectations coming from India and working in a developed country, but my $0.02 is that theres always risk when agreeing to partner with any institution and as soon as you start seeing "red flags" at your next opportunity, you'll know to take steps to plan for both a good outcome and a smooth transition out of there.
I don't have any answers about managing Japanese corporate politics or getting your passport back, but your due dilligence is commendable.
In all, this whole episode teaches me a very good lesson- never mess up with your Grades.
Hi to fellow gaijins and the natives
So today, I decided to talk to my Indian boss. Though there were many ways to discuss this issue, I started off with telling about the recent money deductions which they have made from my salary, and which I found unreasonably high.
(*** For a record: They deducted 6630 Yen for not coming one day to the office, which according to them is the day before my probation period ends in Japan****)
Mathematically, if they decide this amount on per day basis, then 6630*31=205,530 Yen, which is far more than what I earn now. And if we talk about hourly work, then
in the Month of March we had 22 working days, and with 9.5 hours per day (from 0800 to 1730), we have 209 work hours.
Because they generally take 135 000 Yen as my official salary (Yet deduct 3000 Yen unofficially as so called 'Indian-tax') ,hence this comes out 135000/209 = 645.93 Yen/hr. Which for 9.5 hours (corresponding to 1 missing day) equates to 6136.36 Yen , still less than the money deducted.
My Indian boss said that the J-People can never be unreasonable(He actually have lot of faith in J-People) ,I must have gone wrong somewhere. Anyways, he asked me to submit the calculations ,which the management had made regarding the deduction. I'll be doing that tomorrow.
However my main concern, which came up today is my DEGREE. My Degree is missing.
Prior to my arrival, I was informed by my Indian Boss, that Ministry of Justice Japan requires to see my Original copy of Graduate Degree. I was dubious, but yet had to give in. My boss told me that it is usual, and Japanese authorities are very strict. We sent my degree to Japan, it was shown to the authorities, and I was issued the work-permit the next day. I also remember that they had sent my degree back to Indian office, the following day.
Now, here's the catch, I remember that the degree came back, But no matter how much I stress my memory, I don't think that I have had it in my hand after I send it to Japan for verification.
I am also searching my room, and also have informed my parents to do it in my room in India. Most probably this should be with me or back in India, but if it isn't , then I am in a jeopardy!
In all possibility, my quitting depends on the possible legal support which I can acquire during this Golden week, and also on the outcome of the applications to the colleges which I have made. If both of them are through, I might be handing over my '辞任' pretty soon.
Thanks and regards.
Last edited by abhijeetm29; 2012-04-26 at 11:25 PM.