Going to be completly honest here and need anyones help really.

[chriswhite]

hello pretty new to this names chris i am 21 years old have a lovly wife and a 8 week old son! we have wanted to move to japan for 4 years now and we feel we are ready now
i have apllied for countless jobs... days on end for a few weeks dont think anything is working
i have finished high school i do not have a degree but i have 3 years teaching experince and chef expreince as i use to work in those areas...

my partner got a job offer as a tattoo artist but they do not support sponsorship so

if anyone knows of any job for me to get so i can take my family will be great! but also i was thinking would this work

if my partner got a working holiday visa... and worked there and then me and my son got a 90 day tourist visa and if i applied for jobs there and if i got one (sponsorship) change my visa to a work visa to keep my son and partner there?
because i reckon i have more luck if i live in japan

really need thoughts and opions anything will help

thank you again

[KansaiBen]

if my partner got a working visa... and worked there and then me and my son got a 90 day tourist visa and if i applied for jobs there and if i got one (sponsorship) change my visa to a work visa to keep my son and partner there?
because i reckon i have more luck if i live in japan

really need thoughts and opions anything will help

thank you again

with no degree you wont get a work visa (doing what by the way?) and you need a sponsor as well.

You can get a dependent visa that allows you to work up to 20 hours a week.

If you are a chef try contacting hotels. Hyatt, Ritz Carlton etc.

[chriswhite]

with no degree you wont get a work visa (doing what by the way?) and you need a sponsor as well.

You can get a dependent visa that allows you to work up to 20 hours a week.

If you are a chef try contacting hotels. Hyatt, Ritz Carlton etc.

how can i get a dependent visa? i also need to take my wife and son with me as well... dont you need someone on a work visa to get a dependant visa?

[KansaiBen]

how can i get a dependent visa? i also need to take my wife and son with me as well... dont you need someone on a work visa to get a dependant visa?

One of you has to be on a sponsored work visa. If wife gets a work visa she can sponsor your dependent visa.

If you have 3 years teaching experience you can apply for a Humanities visa in lieu of a degree. All you need to do is convince an employer to sponsor you. Most now want you to be sponsored already, have a valid visa rather than sponsor you from scratch.

BTW which country are you from. How about a Working Holiday visa?

[chriswhite]

One of you has to be on a sponsored work visa. If wife gets a work visa she can sponsor your dependent visa.

If you have 3 years teaching experience you can apply for a Humanities visa in lieu of a degree. All you need to do is convince an employer to sponsor you. Most now want you to be sponsored already, have a valid visa rather than sponsor you from scratch.

understandable but the job offer my wife has dont do sponsorship so she has to go there on a WORK HOLIDAY VISA and you can not class a infant as a dependant on that visa so the only thing i can think of is if she gets on that she can stay there for 6 months
and if me and my son get a tourist visa i can apply for a sponsorship there? also how do i prove i have been a teacher assistant? how do i prove i have been a chef for 2 years?

is there any links you can give me that will maybe consider me a job without a degree??

also say if someone wants to hire me as a teacher and i dont need a degree for it and they say i will sponsor you will i still be able to get a working visa even though i dont have a degree but have a sponsor?

sorry for all the questions!

[Wonky]

Why do you want to move to Japan with an 8-week-old baby? Day care is really, really difficult to get here and if you don't speak much of the language I think you will have issues with this.

[KansaiBen]

understandable but the job offer my wife has dont do sponsorship so she has to go there on a WORK HOLIDAY VISA and you can not class a infant as a dependant on that visa so the only thing i can think of is if she gets on that she can stay there for 6 months
and if me and my son get a tourist visa i can apply for a sponsorship there? also how do i prove i have been a teacher assistant? how do i prove i have been a chef for 2 years?

is there any links you can give me that will maybe consider me a job without a degree??

also say if someone wants to hire me as a teacher and i dont need a degree for it and they say i will sponsor you will i still be able to get a working visa even though i dont have a degree but have a sponsor?

sorry for all the questions!

I dont see how a woman with an 8 week old baby can possibly go out and look for a full time job. What are you going to do with it while she is out working? Who will look after it?


You can only get sponsorship (by your employer) for your visa issued by immigration. Immigration requires you have a visa and employers only do what immigration says. If you have no degree and its required for your visa then no one will sponsor you much less return your calls. They cant hire you even if they want to as you have no legal right to work here. Same as in any country. Immigration is in bed with you when it comes to finding jobs here.

Not only that employers are wary of taking on someone who has dependents as company apartments are for employees only, not hangers-on. To an employer your wife and kid are dead weight and they are not going to provide housing for people not working at your company.

[chriswhite]

I dont see how a woman with an 8 week old baby can possibly go out and look for a full time job. What are you going to do with it while she is out working? Who will look after it?


You can only get sponsorship (by your employer) for your visa issued by immigration. Immigration requires you have a visa and employers only do what immigration says. If you have no degree and its required for your visa then no one will sponsor you much less return your calls. They cant hire you even if they want to as you have no legal right to work here. Same as in any country. Immigration is in bed with you when it comes to finding jobs here.

Not only that employers are wary of taking on someone who has dependents as company apartments are for employees only, not hangers-on. To an employer your wife and kid are dead weight and they are not going to provide housing for people not working at your company.

fair enough that makes complete sense welli have one more option to ask for..

if i (husband) was to get a working holiday visa and i heard you can extend it to 1 year of i am correct? and my partner was to get a working holiday visa as well which would support our son to come up as a dependant visa
would that be possible?
or how would i go about applying for a student visa for myself and my partner a working holiday visa?
can i learn japanese in japan with a student visa what are the requirements ? is it for a year?

[KansaiBen]

fair enough that makes complete sense welli have one more option to ask for..

if i (husband) was to get a working holiday visa and i heard you can extend it to 1 year of i am correct? and my partner was to get a working holiday visa as well which would support our son to come up as a dependant visa
would that be possible?
or how would i go about applying for a student visa for myself and my partner a working holiday visa?
can i learn japanese in japan with a student visa what are the requirements ? is it for a year?

Looks like you are throwing mud at walls now.

1. Go to your consulate and see whether people with dependents can apply for Working Holiday. That still doesnt address the question of whether anyone will hire you. WHV is for six months, usually extended once.

If you have an eight week old baby one of you will have to stay home and take care of it, work in shifts. About the youngest age that a nursery will take kids is about 6 months.

Student visa you need to be accepted by a school for full time study, have them sponsor your visa. You need to prove you have enough funds to support yourself paid in advance before they will issue a student visa.

[chriswhite]

Looks like you are throwing mud at walls now.

1. Go to your consulate and see whether people with dependents can apply for Working Holiday. That still doesnt address the question of whether anyone will hire you. WHV is for six months, usually extended once.

If you have an eight week old baby one of you will have to stay home and take care of it, work in shifts. About the youngest age that a nursery will take kids is about 6 months.

Student visa you need to be accepted by a school for full time study, have them sponsor your visa. You need to prove you have enough funds to support yourself paid in advance before they will issue a student visa.

yeh i think your right i am pushing it. well i think we have decided on this to be honest but need another bit of help my partner wants to get a working holiday visa to work at her tattoo job offer there for 6 months and im going to get a dependant visa from her and for my son to stay for 6 months then come back to australia.

also is 12,000$ AU so about 110,000 YEN not including rent how much would that support us for? roughly? she gets paid 18,000 yen a week as well but how long not including rent would 110,000 YEN last

[Trichophyton-in-my-pants]

You kidding? 110,000y? Two adults and an infant? I'd say that lasts for 4 weeks tops. And that's a huge stretch considering you are not in the country yet.

Edit: Wait a second.........

[twelvedown]

And you'll be needing insurance...That's for sure...
I would wait a year or 2, get your prospects in better shape and then give it a shot...
It will be REALLY difficult....
Where would you live while you find an apartment? A hotel?

How do you have 3 years teaching experience being aged 21? and without a degree?

[chriswhite]

You kidding? 110,000y? Two adults and an infant? I'd say that lasts for 4 weeks tops. And that's a huge stretch considering you are not in the country yet.

Edit: Wait a second.........

ive been to japan 6 times just wanted someone elses opnion infants cost nothing... <2 years there normally free for everything. so pretty much me and my partner 4 weeks? for food and travel ? we arnt site seeing. i think maybe 8 weeks?

[KansaiBen]

yeh i think your right i am pushing it. well i think we have decided on this to be honest but need another bit of help my partner wants to get a working holiday visa to work at her tattoo job offer there for 6 months and im going to get a dependant visa from her and for my son to stay for 6 months then come back to australia.

also is 12,000$ AU so about 110,000 YEN not including rent how much would that support us for? roughly? she gets paid 18,000 yen a week as well but how long not including rent would 110,000 YEN last

more like $1200, not $12,000 and average salary of a language teacher is about 250,000 yen/month and you can hardly break even on that salary.

You are going to need to rent a place and the landlord will want a guarantor (usually an employer) which means you need to have a job... Key money will set you back 4-5 months rent before you move in. 18,000 barely covers my electricity bill each month.


Exactly how much do you have?

[chriswhite]

And you'll be needing insurance...That's for sure...
I would wait a year or 2, get your prospects in better shape and then give it a shot...
It will be REALLY difficult....
Where would you live while you find an apartment? A hotel?

my sister has lived in jaapn for 3 years we normally live with her while finding places to stay or sometimes live with her hence why i said dw about rent pricing.

[chriswhite]

more like $1200, not $12,000 and average salary of a language teacher is about 250,000 yen/month and you can hardly break even on that salary.

You are going to need to rent a place and the landlord will want a guarantor (usually an employer) which means you need to have a job... Key money will set you back 4-5 months rent before you move in. 18,000 barely covers my electricity bill each month.


Exactly how much do you have?

excact money we have is 50,000 AU we know 30,000 AU will go towards rent etc for a few months.

[KansaiBen]

excact money we have is 50,000 AU we know 30,000 AU will go towards rent etc for a few months.

50,000 AU is about 4 million yen. living on about 300,000 yen a month you could easily live 6 months without working. Seeing as neither of you can get a work visa it will be hard for you to find a job. If you can get work visas then fine do that (best idea is to apply separately, no idea if you can do it as a couple)

Depending on where you want to live rent can vary. Big cities are expensive. A 50-60 square meter apartment in Osaka you are looking at 70-100,000 yen a month depending on area.

Apartments here are unfurnished so I suggest a Leo Palace room or stay at a gaijin hostel, usually around 50,000 yen a month. No key money needed usually. You can go to school on a WHV or a tourist visa, as long as you dont work on a TV.

[Chromedome]

Does your baby have any cool tats yet?
Post some pics.

[chriswhite]

50,000 AU is about 4 million yen. living on about 300,000 yen a month you could easily live 6 months without working. Seeing as neither of you can get a work visa it will be hard for you to find a job. If you can get work visas then fine do that (best idea is to apply separately, no idea if you can do it as a couple)

Depending on where you want to live rent can vary. Big cities are expensive. A 50-60 square meter apartment in Osaka you are looking at 70-100,000 yen a month depending on area.

Apartments here are unfurnished so I suggest a Leo Palace room or stay at a gaijin hostel, usually around 50,000 yen a month. No key money needed usually. You can go to school on a WHV or a tourist visa, as long as you dont work on a TV.

when you say i can go to school on a tourist visa? how much money would that cost and how do i go about apply for it?
is there a school i can learn japanese ?

[twelvedown]

excact money we have is 50,000 AU we know 30,000 AU will go towards rent etc for a few months.

$50,000 bucks? You've been a busy little saver haven't you?
You could BUY a house out in the boonies for that much.

[chriswhite]

Does your baby have any cool tats yet?
Post some pics.

haha not till his 18 :P

[chriswhite]

$50,000 bucks? You've been a busy little saver haven't you?
You could BUY a house out in the boonies for that much.

took me only a year to save that tattooist's earn 3000 a week most weeks.

[KansaiBen]

$50,000 bucks? You've been a busy little saver haven't you?
You could BUY a house out in the boonies for that much.

Maybe daddy left him some money.

5 million will get you a deposit on a place, though not sure the bank would lend him any money though. Buy a forest maybe.

[KansaiBen]

took me only a year to save that tattooist's earn 3000 a week most weeks.

Thats a 150 grand a year. Nice little trade you have going there.

[twelvedown]

Maybe daddy left him some money.

5 million will get you a deposit on a place, though not sure the bank would lend him any money though. Buy a forest maybe.

That's a good idea...Live off the land...hunt matsutake....

[chriswhite]

HAHA liking the responses but honestly ok we have put 30,000 away for rent etc.. for 20,000 AU how long could that last us? if we didnt have a job over there? just really wanna know also i will be attending hatsumi's classes (ninjusthu) 3 times a week which cost 40$ a lesson even though its not much out of the budget its what i do when i go to japan all the time!

so 20,000 AU if that can last us 8 -12 WEEKS then i am happy
and also if me and my partner just got a TOURIST visa could we extend the stay on that? we havent done it before but is it possible if so how long for?

[chriswhite]

also does anyone have msn so much eaiser to talk to or any form of chat? if you have msn my msn is chris_andersonn@live.com a good chat to help me with money will be good

[twelvedown]

[QUOTE=chriswhite;1201891. for 20,000 AU how long could that last us? if we didnt have a job over there? just really wanna know also i will be attending hatsumi's classes (ninjusthu) 3 times a week which cost 40$ a lesson even though its not much out of the budget its what i do when i go to japan all the time!

so 20,000 AU if that can last us 8 -12 WEEKS then i am happy
and also if me and my partner just got a TOURIST visa could we extend the stay on that? we havent done it before but is it possible if so how long for?[/QUOTE]

$20,000 would EASILY last you 12 weeks. Probably double that if you were careful.

[KansaiBen]

also does anyone have msn so much eaiser to talk to or any form of chat? if you have msn my msn is chris_andersonn@live.com a good chat to help me with money will be good

I have Skype if you have that

[KansaiBen]

so 20,000 AU if that can last us 8 -12 WEEKS then i am happy
and also if me and my partner just got a TOURIST visa could we extend the stay on that? we havent done it before but is it possible if so how long for?

you can renew a tourist visa one time for a maximum of 180 days. they wont renew a third time unless you have a 2-3 month gap between visas.

[chriswhite]

I have Skype if you have that

whats your skype name!

[chriswhite]

$20,000 would EASILY last you 12 weeks. Probably double that if you were careful.

wow... 24 weeks if im careful

so if i had 10,000 it could last me 12 weeks? if im careful;?

[KansaiBen]

I like to know too because I have a secret crush on KansaiBen.



I have added them all lol

Knock yourself out, I don't use that name on Skype. Not only that I dont live in any of those places and one is a Japanese.

[KansaiBen]

PM me スカイプ ID をください

now why would I do that

I cant believe you guys are that thick

[twelvedown]

wow... 24 weeks if im careful

so if i had 10,000 it could last me 12 weeks? if im careful;?

About 800 bucks a week for 2 adults and a baby without having to pay rent? No problem.

[ttokyo]

she gets paid 18,000 yen a week as well but how long not including rent would 110,000 YEN last

Let me also be 'completely honest' :

Y 18,000 as a weekly salary is so bad, that even working at McD would earn you more. It's not even enough to pay for food & rent. It looks like your wife is mainly doing this to 'improve herself'. To me, it appears like your 'lovely wife' is taking the whole family hostage by pushing this, forcing you and the baby to come along and using up the family's financial reserves, which sounds also very irresponsible to me.

So my honest advice would be 'don't do it'. As said before, a compromise might be to use up $ 10,000 for 3 months in Osaka and then decide to go home if neither of you can find a more permanent job (as chef, etc.) that can pay your bills (and offer a visa sponsorship) but it's still difficult with an infant in tow.

(EDIT : I hope you are aware of the associations of 'tattoo' and 'mob' in Japan, so be very careful if some guys at your wife's working place offer you 'easy money' for jobs such as 'bringing a suitcase from Indonesia'.)

[Wonky]

Let me also be 'completely honest' :

Y 18,000 as a weekly salary is so bad, that even working at McD would earn you more. It's not even enough to pay for food & rent. It looks like your wife is mainly doing this to 'improve herself'. To me, it appears like your 'lovely wife' is taking the whole family hostage by pushing this, forcing you and the baby to come along and using up the family's financial reserves, which sounds also very irresponsible to me.

So my honest advice would be 'don't do it'. As said before, a compromise might be to use up $ 10,000 for 3 months in Osaka and then decide to go home if neither of you can find a more permanent job (as chef, etc.) that can pay your bills (and offer a visa sponsorship) but it's still difficult with an infant in tow.

(EDIT : I hope you are aware of the associations with 'tattoo' and 'mob' in Japan, so be very careful if some guys at your wife's working place offer you 'easy money' for jobs such as 'bringing a suitcase from Indonesia'.)

Sounds to me like they are young and just messing around. If they didn't have a kid I'd say go for it, but I never recommend people to bring small kids to Japan...what are they gonna do for day care, schooling, etc?

[mr.sumo.snr]

My Japanese niece is in Australia at the moment on the 2nd year of a WHV which she was able to renew having worked for three months in Queensland picking squash and peppers. Those are the rules for getting the 2nd year WHV in Australia - and they're pretty much set in stone. Japan wants foreign teachers to have university degrees - and why not - there are thousands of graduates who still want to work here so you're competing against all those people who already have the bare-minimum requirement. In a perfect world economy this wouldn't matter - but...


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[well_bicyclically]

hello pretty new to this names chris i am 21 years old have a lovly wife and a 8 week old son! we have wanted to move to japan for 4 years now and we feel we are ready now
i have apllied for countless jobs... days on end for a few weeks dont think anything is working
i have finished high school i do not have a degree but i have 3 years teaching experince and chef expreince as i use to work in those areas...

my partner got a job offer as a tattoo artist but they do not support sponsorship so

if anyone knows of any job for me to get so i can take my family will be great! but also i was thinking would this work

if my partner got a working holiday visa... and worked there and then me and my son got a 90 day tourist visa and if i applied for jobs there and if i got one (sponsorship) change my visa to a work visa to keep my son and partner there?
because i reckon i have more luck if i live in japan

really need thoughts and opions anything will help

thank you again

this nation's education system generates thousands of people just like you every year.... only they can muddle through with the language and the social heirarchy; and they have all the rights of citizenship. You would be in line after all of them. WHY on earth would you want to put your family through a life of hell, low wages and high prices, not to mention the discrimination and insecurity of living in an inhospitable land such as this???

[frownsarefun]

The OPs family obligations and financial picture make it clear to me that he is in no shape to move to any foreign country and perhaps should be thinking of more practical ways for BOTH his wife and himself to be taking care of their baby and their future together. But this dream of moving to Japan seems fruitless based on the present facts provided and seems like you are putting more effort and energy into worrying about how you can somehow, someway find you way to Japan - instead of doing anything and everything you can to make a life for you all in your present country. You have a baby now - planned or not - so I`d say all of your dreams of moving to far away lands should be put on the back burner - unless you have some rock solid offer on the table.

As everyone has pointed out before, maybe you could find an English teaching gig here with your 3 years of experience, but the majority of these schools will not want to sponsor you from scratch. And the OP never mentioned graduating from culinary school - so with his age and experience, it seems he`s more of a cook than chef. Even so, you could go for a culinary position - seen hirings at Gordon Ramsey`s place in Tokyo - but only pays Y1200/hr, max. Doesn`t sound ideal with a wife and baby. As far as the wife and tattoo earnings, keep in mind that it`s the same as being a hair stylist...you need a following to make the big money. In USA, tattoo artist might sit around all day and just work on drawings while handling some incoming customers who have questions, etc. If they are tattooing flash off the walls, pricing will still be lower and they are only getting a cut of that tattoo price. And of doing bigger pieces/sleeves, then an hourly rate would apply. But even then, while you `could` set your hourly rate to whatever you want, without a name and following, nobody is going to pay $300/hr for someone not known. The Anil Guptas and Paul Booths of the world are in the $300-$400/hr range, and these guys have been tattooing for 15+ years and are tattoo icons, so people are willing to shell out $20,000 for a sleeve. No namer is def gonna be in the $100/hr+ range...and you are not going to be solid booked for months in advance...sorry, but no way. Maybe best bet is to find a shop right next to a US Military base.