Difficult to Keep Paleo Diet in Japan

[mishima1970]

Anyone have any advice on how to keep "paleo" diet?
I eat mostly meat and fish and fruit and vegetables, some milk, etc.; I try to keep away from refined carbs. My "kitchen" is very small, so where do I go out to eat a good piece of meat or fish (about 6-8 oz.) with some salad, that's not too expensive? Seems everywhere I go is either cheap noodles/rice/potatoes, etc., which I don't eat, or else it's very expensive beef. I guess sushi or sashimi are fine, but price becomes an issue for the quantity I need per meal. A typical sushi meal of 1500 yen is not big enough to satisfy.

The only thing I can think of is going to yaki tori places all the time!

What is the most economical way to eat paleo or approximate diet in Japan? Are there places that just serve a good piece of meat with some salad? I guess I will start cooking, I see that fish is relatively cheap in supermarkets, but I'd rather not cook too much. Or is it impossible to keep a paleo diet without paying through the nose.

I went to izakaya last night it was great, sardine sashimi, cod soft roe, etc., but the portions were so small. Eating out is all either very small portions or huge portions of udon, etc.

[NorthByNorthwest]

Learn to cook at home and brown bag it.

If you are low on the cooking skills, even the Y100 stores have a range of tinned fish included sardines (iawashi), mackerel (saba), and salmon.

And, if you want to prepare a large batch of stew or whatever else you can handle, chicken breast is especially inexpensive in Japan. You should check out the Hanamasa stores in Tokyo/Kanto.

Some fast food restaurants offer some low-grade protein choices (albeit with high salt & fat). Chicken McNuggets at McDonald's, for example. Or, KFC. Japanese convenience stores also offer their own sodium-rich versions of fried chicken that some consider addictive.

[Trichophyton-in-my-pants]

Anyone have any advice on how to keep "paleo" diet?
I eat mostly meat and fish and fruit and vegetables, some milk, etc.; I try to keep away from refined carbs. My "kitchen" is very small, so where do I go out to eat a good piece of meat or fish (about 6-8 oz.) with some salad, that's not too expensive? Seems everywhere I go is either cheap noodles/rice/potatoes, etc., which I don't eat, or else it's very expensive beef. I guess sushi or sashimi are fine, but price becomes an issue for the quantity I need per meal. A typical sushi meal of 1500 yen is not big enough to satisfy.

The only thing I can think of is going to yaki tori places all the time!

What is the most economical way to eat paleo or approximate diet in Japan? Are there places that just serve a good piece of meat with some salad? I guess I will start cooking, I see that fish is relatively cheap in supermarkets, but I'd rather not cook too much. Or is it impossible to keep a paleo diet without paying through the nose.

I went to izakaya last night it was great, sardine sashimi, cod soft roe, etc., but the portions were so small. Eating out is all either very small portions or huge portions of udon, etc.

Err.... paleo diet does not include salt or milk, so I guess you already ____ed up.

Further, yakitori has an amble amount of sugar in it, so.... no luck there either.

Learn how to cook. We're not cavemen here (pun).

[mishima1970]

Err.... paleo diet does not include salt or milk, so I guess you already ____ed up.

Further, yakitori has an amble amount of sugar in it, so.... no luck there either.

Learn how to cook. We're not cavemen here (pun).

I keep a paleo-like diet, you can do your own tweaks, and there's disagreement about whether to include dairy. The point isn't to copy literally what cavemen ate (like honey, e.g.) but to mimic the metabolic milieu of paleolithic man to get hard muscle, etc.

But you don't have to be a freak about it, I occasionally have some potatoes or rarely even sugar and it's fine, I also drink sometimes...the point is to avoid regularly eating certain bad things.

[mishima1970]

As for learning to cook I have a typical very small Japanese apt., so even with exhaust in the "kitchen" how can I cook mackerel etc. every day and not have the whole place smell of this.

Someone ought to start a "meat stand" in Tokyo. Like yakitori but with greater selection.

I actually like liver skewers from yakitori.

[twelvedown]

Sooooo. Paleo...ya can't eat rice and stuff right?
Or pasta or bread....
Man. I would hate to do that.

Yeah You can do it easily in Tokyo I'm sure. They sell paleo ready to eats at every conbini.
(It's what the anorexic chicks in Shibuya eat)

Why would you do that? Are you a big fatty?

[Call_It_Like_Eye_See_It]

Hard to sympathsize with someone on such a stupid diet....

natto
tofu
fresh fruits
salad

...will help you get through the day, but I would hardly call that a life...

[twelvedown]

Hard to sympathsize with someone on such a stupid diet....

natto
tofu
fresh fruits
salad

...will help you get through the day, but I would hardly call that a life...

They were kinda..monkeys 2 million years ago so they did have the technologies for even tofu!
(but they did have the technologies to make a big roast beast so that's something)

Really..paleo..as much meat as u can eat...that's not to bad...
The only people I know who have done it though are tanks and it's just another desperate grasp.

Don't eat fries, donuts, cookies or cake. The 4 point plan to not being fat.

[twelvedown]

Hangon..wait O.P.. so this paleo thing.. no croissants?
cheese?
Just meat and veggies and fruit?
Can you eat sausages?
smoked salmon?

Like, the early Paleolithicans got by on jumping on things and eating them or eating the remains of stuff when the lions got full.

and then they died when they were like, 17.....

[Plats]

...and then they died when they were like, 17.....

Maybe from protein-overdose induced kidney stones.

[YokohamaTommy]

The middle way is the best way.

"diet" is "die" with "T".

[crazy1]

Like, the early Paleolithicans got by on jumping on things and eating them or eating the remains of stuff when the lions got full.

and then they died when they were like, 17.....

OMG that made me laugh!!!!!!

Sorry OP I don't have an answer......I too would love to eat a diet with less sugar, more multi grains (Eg. brown bread or multi grain bread, not the white crap all the time!!), but unfortuneatly it's kinda hard to do here.

[twelvedown]

OMG that made me laugh!!!!!!

Sorry OP I don't have an answer......I too would love to eat a diet with less sugar, more multi grains (Eg. brown bread or multi grain bread, not the white crap all the time!!), but unfortuneatly it's kinda hard to do here.

Ja, like crazy1 I presume you are a bit inaka based. for real...buy a breadmaker and have good bread.

[mishima1970]

There seems to be some confusion about what a paleo diet is. This is a good start:
http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

It is a healthier diet than the modern diet.

For those of you who claim that cavemen had low life expectancy, etc., yes, but was that because of diet or because they died young in dangerous hunts or fights? Skeletal evidence shows hunter-gatherers were tall, robust, quite healthy, compared to farming populations where everyone became very short, had bad teeth, poor health, etc.

Today pastoral tribes and peoples that live almost exclusively on animal products and fats are often extremely healthy, especially compared to citizens of modern countries that eat a toxic diet of vegetable fats, sugars, and processed carbs.

[YokohamaTommy]

There seems to be some confusion about what a paleo diet is. This is a good start:
http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

So...basically the way most Japanese people eat, minus the rice.
Which, in my family, we eat about 5-600 grams anyway.
The kids eat anko-pan sometimes, and we love curry.

The rest is natto, veggies, greens, tubers, fruit fish, eggs and red meat once a week.
Lots of miso products such as Tofu.
and some other healthy junk.

But sorry, won't give up beer.

[mishima1970]

So...basically the way most Japanese people eat, minus the rice.
Which, in my family, we eat about 5-600 grams anyway.
The kids eat anko-pan sometimes, and we love curry.

The rest is natto, veggies, greens, tubers, fruit fish, eggs and red meat once a week.
Lots of miso products such as Tofu.
and some other healthy junk.

But sorry, won't give up beer.

I drink sometimes too.
Asian people might find it easier to metabolize rice than others. Different peoples have different types of metabolisms. If you come from a people that has been farming for 10,000 yrs you might do very well on a high-carb diet.
Tofu, however, is poison as well as most soy products...one serving has almost as much estrogen-like compounds as an estrogen supplement. It is poison for men and boys.

PS however I agree that Japanese diet MAY be ideal...for example sushi and some other root stews are really great...but it bankrupts me to eat sushi...though now I find cheap sushi at supermarket...

[Deathblob]

Tofu, however, is poison as well as most soy products...one serving has almost as much estrogen-like compounds as an estrogen supplement. It is poison for men and boys.

Well, it's great to have something to blame my man-boobs on. God damn tofu! Messing with the purity of my precious bodily fluids.

[mishima1970]

Well, it's great to have something to blame my man-boobs on. God damn tofu! Messing with the purity of my precious bodily fluids.

Indeed soy together with carbs and "low fat diets" is behind the obesity and feminization of America:
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/...gative-effects

[crazy1]

Ja, like crazy1 I presume you are a bit inaka based. for real...buy a breadmaker and have good bread.

No, right in the middle of Osaka actually The closest I've ever found to any type of grain/wholemeal bread was from the supermarket, and I'm sure it's just white mixed with rye. Not the stuff I want
I did buy the bread maker many, many years ago, and after ther 4th failed attempt gave up......couldn't read the instructions. Although now I have a proper oven......it's just finding the ingredients I need at a reasonable (eg non international store) price! Must say baking sugar free cookies and muffins are good though.....

[YokohamaTommy]

Indeed soy together with carbs and "low fat diets" is behind the obesity and feminization of America:
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/...gative-effects

You ah..erm...
How can I put this respectfully....

You aren't a fan of critical thinking, I take it?

[Deathblob]

Indeed soy together with carbs and "low fat diets" is behind the obesity and feminization of America:
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/...gative-effects

Oh come on, you can do better than that!

"Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the pen!s, sexual confusion and homosexuality."

"Soy is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face."

Effort, man! Effort!

[twelvedown]

No, right in the middle of Osaka actually The closest I've ever found to any type of grain/wholemeal bread was from the supermarket, and I'm sure it's just white mixed with rye. Not the stuff I want
I did buy the bread maker many, many years ago, and after ther 4th failed attempt gave up......couldn't read the instructions. Although now I have a proper oven......it's just finding the ingredients I need at a reasonable (eg non international store) price! Must say baking sugar free cookies and muffins are good though.....

Baking is catching on in Japan.
Bizarrely, you may find what you are looking for flour etc wise in the basements of big dept stores.

[crazy1]

Anyone have any advice on how to keep "paleo" diet?
I eat mostly meat and fish and fruit and vegetables, some milk, etc.; I try to keep away from refined carbs. My "kitchen" is very small, so where do I go out to eat a good piece of meat or fish (about 6-8 oz.) with some salad, that's not too expensive? Seems everywhere I go is either cheap noodles/rice/potatoes, etc., which I don't eat, or else it's very expensive beef. I guess sushi or sashimi are fine, but price becomes an issue for the quantity I need per meal. A typical sushi meal of 1500 yen is not big enough to satisfy.

The only thing I can think of is going to yaki tori places all the time!

What is the most economical way to eat paleo or approximate diet in Japan? Are there places that just serve a good piece of meat with some salad? I guess I will start cooking, I see that fish is relatively cheap in supermarkets, but I'd rather not cook too much. Or is it impossible to keep a paleo diet without paying through the nose.

I went to izakaya last night it was great, sardine sashimi, cod soft roe, etc., but the portions were so small. Eating out is all either very small portions or huge portions of udon, etc.

After some research, I'm thinking about changing over to paleo, as it seems that it's not necessary to do (my current)1-2 hours of exercise a day and I would also get to eat other things that I have to restrict now, like coconut, dried fruit, avocadoes and nuts. Sounds good to me! I would happily give up flour based foods if I could cook some alternatives using almond flour. I'd much prefer to spend an extra hour a day cooking then sweating it out on the dreaded treadmill or cross trainer (even though they are in front of my TV, sitting on the sofa would be much more appealing!)
What I'm wondering is, where do you find grass fed chicken eggs and grass fed beef? It's not something that is labelled on packages here. Do you know of any online sites that are paleo-friendly and deliver to Japan?

[mishima1970]

After some research, I'm thinking about changing over to paleo, as it seems that it's not necessary to do (my current)1-2 hours of exercise a day and I would also get to eat other things that I have to restrict now, like coconut, dried fruit, avocadoes and nuts. Sounds good to me! I would happily give up flour based foods if I could cook some alternatives using almond flour. I'd much prefer to spend an extra hour a day cooking then sweating it out on the dreaded treadmill or cross trainer (even though they are in front of my TV, sitting on the sofa would be much more appealing!)
What I'm wondering is, where do you find grass fed chicken eggs and grass fed beef? It's not something that is labelled on packages here. Do you know of any online sites that are paleo-friendly and deliver to Japan?

Jidori chicken, but it's expensive.
I've given up on keeping paleo here it's impossible for me. I am leaving because of the food!!

[Trichophyton-in-my-pants]

I am leaving because of the food!!

I'm staying because of the food.

It was, and still is, one of the key points why I like this country.

[YokohamaTommy]

Jidori chicken, but it's expensive.
I've given up on keeping paleo here it's impossible for me. I am leaving because of the food!!

I've always wondered.
How is the food in Douchebaria?
A little salty perhaps.

[mishima1970]

I'm staying because of the food.

It was, and still is, one of the key points why I like this country.

My dinner tonight:
seafood salad (sashimi with dressing and salad)
tempura of root vegetables (chips)
a longish piece of anago on top of marinated cucumber
beer
mentai chazuke

...everything delicious as usual, but left me feeling as if someone had punched me in the stomach, as do most meals in this country. Great sushi last night too. But expensive and leaves me feeling strange. Japanese food is great but a roundeye can't handle it every day.

As for the usual fare, like ramen, katsu, etc., ...indigestible. Had ramen a couple of days ago for lunch and couldn't handle more than two spoonfulls.

Cooking at home is not an option for me. Yes some of the food is great but what do you eat day to day? For day to day eating, the food is impossible here. I can't handle the regular lunch fare and bento boxes and the like. It's like dropping a stone in my stomach.

[Deathblob]

I think you need to go full paleo.

Dandelion weeds, and all the pigeons and cats you can catch.

[YokohamaTommy]

Cooking at home is not an option for me. Yes some of the food is great but what do you eat day to day? For day to day eating, the food is impossible here. I can't handle the regular lunch fare and bento boxes and the like. It's like dropping a stone in my stomach.

Have you considered that the problem may not be one of food, but of mental state?

Food is just one facet of overall health.
I wonder if you are not caught up in the extremeness of this whole diet thing.

[crazy1]

Jidori chicken, but it's expensive.
I've given up on keeping paleo here it's impossible for me. I am leaving because of the food!!

I think it is difficult to follow in Japan, but with the right tools, it can be done. I almost thought of NOT doing it as I couldn't get almond flour here....I got onto youtube and found out how to make almond flour (just need almonds and a food processer), same with the coconut flour. It seems to be more difficult to do than most diets, but with some planning in advance (even with your small kitchen!) it can be done! Making lots of meals and freezing them (youtube even has recipies for tortillas, so just some chicken and salad and it's a good meal) and tons of paleo-friendly sweets.
I'm gonna start it, freeze meals and make lots of almond flour, and keep that on hand for when I'm in a hurry etc...

[crazy1]

I've always wondered.
How is the food in Douchebaria?
A little salty perhaps.

My sister is a health expert with 20 years experience and I was expecting her to laugh at me when I suggested this diet the other day. Quite the opposite in fact. Tons of her clients have been on the diet, one woman lost 30kg (66 pounds) in 6 weeks and has more energy than she knows what to do with! My sister is really thin but wants to change her current eating habits over to this diet as well. So not for weight loss but for health reasons.
The diet is actually quite simple. Eat what our bodies were designed to eat before man genetically changed our food chain. Nuts, berries, most fruits, a little unprocessed honey, Coconuts, Fresh (grass fed) beef, pork, chicken, free range eggs, healthy oils like olive oil and coconut oil, lots of organic vegies....the only thing missing is what makes us fat and tired- sodas, juices, wheat, sugar. You can still eat bagels and bread, just have to make them with almond flour and not regular flour. Nothing crazy about the diet at all.
Obesity has been on the increase the last 30 years, about the same time as the introduction of all that crazy low fat, fat free crap that we (including yours truly) eat thinking that they'll make us thin. Quite the opposite is happening, especially in western countries.
High fructose corn syrup, found in way too many products these days, is a major problem and it's making us fat and unhealthy. This diet is a clean and healthy way to eat, free from preservatives and other man made crap that causes all types of diseases. I'll be trying this diet and reporting back here!
I hope the OP can figure out how to stay with the diet. I'm thinking yakiniku and yakitori (maybe if you go to the same place all the time you can take your own sauce and they can use that in place of their sugary one??), and also to brown bag lunches. With a little preparation it will really help stay with the diet. I even saw paleo pasta online from the states. That would be so easy to make and to take to work for lunch.

[crazy1]

Anyone have any advice on how to keep "paleo" diet?

If you have a balcony, why not buy one of those portable gas cookers (that take a can of gas, super cheap to buy) and cook the "smelly" stuff on the balcony? Vegies and things can be done inside. Those little one person grill/hotplate cookers that are electric and sell for around 1000yen at electronics store would also be good. They'd be easy to clean too, and lots of meals could be cooked on there.
I just got back from costco and they have literally tons of stuff that is paleo-friendly, and quite cheap actually! It would be cheaper to make your own meals and freeze them. Spending one day a week in the kitchen could yield enough meals for the whole week, and you can guarantee it will be paleo-friendly. If you don't have a costco near you, the flyingpig.com delivers and although is more expenisve than costco, it's still a fairly cheap option. They actually have the larabars, which are paleo recommended and they are super cheap, around 130yen per bar (need to buy a box of about 24 bars), they get them delivered from Hawaii in about a week.
If you outlay a little money on a blender and food processer, you can make all the almond flour you need (therefore being able to make tons of meals and snacks!!), as well as almond butter using the 990yen for 1.3 kg almonds from costco. Considering a tiny jar of almond butter is more than 1000yen from foreign buyers club, just a few uses of the food processer would pay for itself!!
Are you doing the diet for health reasons or to lose weight? How long have you been doing it, and how's it going so far?

[YokohamaTommy]

My sister is a health expert with 20 years experience

I've been alive (so far) for 42 years. Does that trump health experience?

one woman lost 30kg (66 pounds) in 6 weeks and has more energy than she knows what to do with!

Any legitimate doctor will tell you that losing that much weight in so little a time is very dangerous.

There are approx. 3500 Calories in one pound of fat.
To lose 66 pounds you would need to burn 23100 Calories.
6 Weeks = 42 days.

If her daily maintenance caloric intake was around the normal for women; (for this exercise we assume the following)
Age: 30
Weight 176 Lbs (110 would as the goal but add 66 lbs.)
Height: 5 feet 5 inches
Metabolic Rate: Basic, No exercise)
Daily Caloric intake required to maintain this weight: 1521 Calories.

To get down to 110 lbs, this woman would have to reduce her daily Caloric intake by 550 Calories per day for 42 days.
That's 971 Calories per day. Pretty hard and painful to do I'd say, and not really sustainable in the long run.

I mean, At breakfast you have a Banana, some Yogurt and handful of nuts, some toast, butter and Jam and you have eaten half your allotment for the day.
Calories add up pretty fast.

Also, she runs a high chance of getting on the Yo-yo rollercoaster; Diet fast, loose weight fast, eat normally again, gain the weight, gain (studies show even MORE weight) crisis, extreme diet, rinse and repeat.

The only "diet" that really works is one that is well-rounded, reasonable, and allows for enjoyment (i.e. snacks and sweets every now and then) and is a personally comfortable, lifelong effort combined with exercise of both the body and the mind.

[crazy1]

I've been alive (so far) for 42 years. Does that trump health experience?

it depends on if you are studying it all day long







Nice calculation, but unfortuneatly that's not how it works anymore. Most health experts will tell you the same thing. Unfortuneatly, the way our food pyramid is at the moment confuses most people, and governments won't change it anytime soon as they have basically been f#king it up for the past 30 years. So people are getting fat, tired and sick by following the current pyramid.
Most non-government affiliated experts have now changed diets and millions of people have reversed disease, lost weight etc. The dukan diet which shuns most bad carbs like bread and rice has something like 10million followers, including many celebrities. These are not fad-diets, they just cut out all the stuff that are bodies are just not designed to eat- sugar, wheat, processed foods etc.

The Paleo diet, which is basically eating like caveman did with no wheat, no rice, no pre-packaged foods, no preservatives etc, is having a huge positive impact on many peoples lives. Experts now agree that a calorie is not a calorie. Colleges teach students that to lose weight you need to burn more calories than you eat, but science is proving this wrong, as there are many factors which can impact your bodies abitlity to burn food effectively. Dr Atkins proved that theory by having patients eat a low fat, low calorie diet, and others eat a high calorie diet, but from protein and good carbs only (no bread, rice, sugar) and the patients on the 3000 calorie a day diet (no carbs, no sugar, just meat,fish, fruit, veg) lost more than those on the 1500 calorie a day diet (low fat with carbs and sugar)

I don't believe that everyone can follow the same diet. Some people do better on particular diets than others. I followed the atkins diet for a couple of months, had more energy than I knew what to do with, lost weight and didn't need to exercise than a idiott everyday for 1-2 hours to maintain my weight. Atkins didn't work in the end for me as I just don't like meat that much, so I went back to old habits- low fat, low calorie diet, crazy amounts of exercise to keep my weight.

It would be nice to be able to maintain my weight with a diet that doesn't require crazy amounts of exercise (even though I have my own gym, I would much prefer to watch TV sometimes without having to be on the treadmill at the same time! ), the paleo diet is being called crazy by many people, but how can a diet that cuts out all the crap of modern day lifestyles (stuff introduced around the same time as the nation starting getting fat) like processed junk, sugar, low fat etc. be so bad? There will always be those who do and don't agree with particular diets though, that's just human nature

It's basically clean, home cooked foods that nature provided, not made in a lab or from genetically modified substances. After lots of research online I think it's possible to continue in the long run as it's mostly fruit, veg, meats, fish, nuts, and from that it's easy to make almost anything, like bread, muffins, almond milk etc. I plan on starting later this month so will update this for all the skeptics out there

[Deathblob]

I stopped reading at "Dr. Atkins". From the internets:

Revelations in February 2004 from the city medical examiner's report let slip the information that Atkins had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure, and hypertension, before his death.

[Call_It_Like_Eye_See_It]

I stopped reading at "Dr. Atkins". From the internets:

Revelations in February 2004 from the city medical examiner's report let slip the information that Atkins had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure, and hypertension, before his death.

B-b-but... he was a health expert. I mean, he even wrote a book...

Talk about putting the DIE in diet...

[Trichophyton-in-my-pants]

Dr Atkins proved that theory by having patients eat a low fat, low calorie diet, and others eat a high calorie diet, but from protein and good carbs only (no bread, rice, sugar) and the patients on the 3000 calorie a day diet (no carbs, no sugar, just meat,fish, fruit, veg) lost more than those on the 1500 calorie a day diet (low fat with carbs and sugar)

This simply is biased and untrue.

The key scientific point in low-carb diets is that your body goes to ketosis after a prolonged deprivation of carbs, which means that glycogen is depleted from the liver and fat is used for energy. Now, what Atkins claimed is that when your insulin is low, you don't store fat in your body. This is untrue, as we know that low-carb diets will increase cortisol, the stress hormone, which is a culprit in fat gain.

Now, why would a guy in a 3000 kcal diet lose more weight than a guy on a 1500kcal diet? Simple. From water. Higher levels of insulin in the blood will cause extra fluids to be retained in the body, and this is what the guys on a low carb diet will lose. Of course, any layman can tell that water weight will come back within 48 hours from going back to a normal diet.

Kcal in / Kcal out is the only non-disputable fat loss strategy. How you get to a sustainable ratio for fat loss is the "diet" part in the diet.

[Trichophyton-in-my-pants]

But, to be fair, there is one culprit in the modern diet that is non-disputably bad. High-fructose corn syrup.

That stuff is funny, because it breaks down in the liver essentially like alcohol. What that means that when there is any HFCS present, it gets priority over fat. This is not how normal carbohydrates work. To keep it simple, there is essentially nothing wrong in, let's say white rice if you consume it in moderation, as opposed to HFCS that acts completely differently metabolically than normal sugars.

HFCS is basically added in every single food you can put in a microwave, so in order to avoid additives and especially HFCS, paleo diet makes sense. Though, at this point it's pretty much a losing battle as it's much cheaper option to sucrose to use as a sweetener.

[twelvedown]

That's interesting about the corn syrup. I thought it was just like sugar.
I don't eat any of that microwave shite apart from a frozen pizza about twice a year anyway.


Don't worry about calories. Think about nutritional value.
Like, you can eat a lot of really good stuff and not get fat and unhealthy.

I think the 2 mistakes people make a lot are that they start worrying about the problem when they are 20 kilos overweight instead of when it's 5 kilos.
THEN they go on 'a diet' instead of changing their diet a little bit.

[Vortex]

Indeed soy together with carbs and "low fat diets" is behind the obesity and feminization of America

Can this really be the same person?

As for the usual fare, like ramen, katsu, etc., ...indigestible. Had ramen a couple of days ago for lunch and couldn't handle more than two spoonfulls.

Now who's the pansy?