Do you have to pay child support when you're not married?

Genkii · 2012-05-03, 06:43 AM

Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in Japan?

In holland even if you're not married you are financial responsible for the child. I'm not implying I'm against that I just want to know if it's the same in Japan.

**HarryHurry** · 2012-05-03, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in Japan?

In holland even if you're not married you are financial responsible for the child. I'm not implying I'm against that I just want to know if it's the same in Japan.

Did she trick you into putting your plonker where babies come from...?

Pay up, whinger...!

**well_bicyclically** · 2012-05-03, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in Japan?

In holland even if you're not married you are financial responsible for the child. I'm not implying I'm against that I just want to know if it's the same in Japan.

.... so is this the reason the Dutch have become famous the world over for sticking fingers in dikes?

**NorthByNorthwest** · 2012-05-03, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in Japan?

In holland even if you're not married you are financial responsible for the child. I'm not implying I'm against that I just want to know if it's the same in Japan.

I think the answer would depend most on what course of action the mother takes to seek child support. In many cases, it isn't pursued and enforced to the same degree it is in the US (or Holland).

**ume** · 2012-05-03, 08:25 AM

If its your baby you gotta pay. And you should.

As an unmarried mother in Japan, your ex is going to have a rough time. Many of the benefits which apply to single mothers are only applicable to widows and divorced mothers - those who have never been married have no rights to claim.

In this includes the child rearing allowance, priority access to hoikuen places, the allowance for single mothers, and also those mothers who have never married and are single are not eligible to receive a dependents tax deduction. So dig deep...

For Japanese women, even if they hate the guy, it is much more sensible to get married, and then divorce him, than try to do it on their own. I just hope someone over here is supporting her...

**KansaiBen** · 2012-05-03, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by ume

For Japanese women, even if they hate the guy, it is much more sensible to get married, and then divorce him, than try to do it on their own. I just hope someone over here is supporting her...

and if the kid is half he will grow up having the stigma of looking different, probably being bullied. Not to mention being labelled "illegitimate" on his mothers koseki.

No one can make you pay but you have a moral responsibility- No one made you have sex with the mother either, even if a kid was the result.

Genkii · 2012-05-04, 12:22 AM

This question is posted in the legal forum because I want to know the if you're legally required to pay. Save me your personal stories and opinions please.

If you're in Japan and get her pregnant can she come to your homecountry to sue you for child support?

In holland if a DNA test concludes you're the father you have to pay even if you're not married. Even if the girl says she is taking the pill and lies you are still responsible.

**KansaiBen** · 2012-05-04, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

If you're in Japan and get her pregnant can she come to your homecountry to sue you for child support?

In holland if a DNA test concludes you're the father you have to pay even if you're not married. Even if the girl says she is taking the pill and lies you are still responsible.

What are the actual chances she will come to Holland and take her chances with the Dutch legal system?

Genkii · 2012-05-04, 12:46 AM

Well I'm not even planning on getting someone pregnant, but just want to know the worst case scenario's.

Let's say if the girl knows my personal details and where I live and if she finds out (with the help of her friends and the internet) the father is legally required to pay even if not married I would think the chance she would sue me in dutch court for child support would be pretty high.

I'm interested in Japanese law. Can she sue me in Japan if I had a work visa or PR in Japan?

**ttokyo** · 2012-05-04, 02:18 AM

+ Most fathers would agree to make payments. But if the father doesn't and mother goes to family court the father might have to pay (Youikuhi).
+ The husband is automatically seen as the biological father of the child. If she's not married she would have to declare who the father is what you might accept or dispute.
+ Winning payments and receiving them are two different stories. If someone is in Japan, a court can quite easily grab, but I doubt that they can do it abroad.

YokohamaTommy · 2012-05-04, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Well I'm not even planning on getting someone pregnant.

And another boon for humanity is given.
On behalf of the human race, I thank you.

**hml** · 2012-05-04, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Well I'm not even planning on getting someone pregnant, but just want to know the worst case scenario's.

Wouldn't *that* be the worst case scenario?

Originally Posted by YokohamaTommy

And another boon for humanity is given.
On behalf of the human race, I thank you.

Oh, problem solved.

**ozzijp** · 2012-05-04, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by ume

As an unmarried mother in Japan

I completely understand the "single guy (to a lesser extent, single gal) in Japan", I sympathize with the "married guy (to a lesser extent, married gal) in Japan" but struggle with the concept of "unmarried mother in Japan". If it isn't too personal; what's the attraction?

**BobPar** · 2012-05-04, 09:52 PM

I think the moral obligation is to care for your child... even if she "tricked" you. Having said that, I don't think you have to pay anything here in Japan and if you returned home, there is little chance of any repercussions... but think about what you leave behind. I can relate because I'm going to have to face this issue soon.

**Bella Bowtruckle** · 2012-05-04, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by ozzijp

I completely understand the "single guy (to a lesser extent, single gal) in Japan", I sympathize with the "married guy (to a lesser extent, married gal) in Japan" but struggle with the concept of "unmarried mother in Japan". If it isn't too personal; what's the attraction?

I think ume is in the category of 'formerly married with a child but realized that the marriage wasn't working out but don't want my child to lose all contact with his/her Japanese father' category. Quite a rare breed apparently but very admirable.

Genkii · 2012-05-15, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by BobPar

I think the moral obligation is to care for your child... even if she "tricked" you. Having said that, I don't think you have to pay anything here in Japan and if you returned home, there is little chance of any repercussions... but think about what you leave behind. I can relate because I'm going to have to face this issue soon.

I'm only interested in the legal part.

Noone knows?

**KansaiBen** · 2012-05-15, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

I'm only interested in the legal part.

Noone knows?

The legal part is that no one can force you to pay up whether you are married or unmarried. The courts here have no teeth for enforcing their own judgements. About 40% of divorced fathers in this country pay no child support on their kids. How many are of children from marriages out of wedlock is anyone's guess.

Don't pay and you just get labeled a deadbeat, that's all.

**BackDoor_Man** · 2012-05-15, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by KansaiBen

Don't pay and you just get labeled a deadbeat, that's all.

No one of any consequence is going to label you a deadbeat, just anonymous people on the internet with holier than thou ideas!

**oxymoron** · 2012-05-15, 08:25 AM

[QUOTE=Genkii;1247136]Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in JapanQUOTE]

How did she "trick" you?
"Look at this,dear. I had fleshlight inserted, so you can have sex and not have to wear a condom. I did it just for you. It's safe, try it. Try it now."
FFS!

**oxymoron** · 2012-05-15, 08:26 AM

[QUOTE=Genkii;1247136]Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in JapanQUOTE]

How did she "trick" you?
"Look at this,dear. I had an artificial vagina inserted, so you can have sex and not have to wear a condom. I did it just for you. It's safe, try it. Try it now."
FFS!

Genkii · 2012-05-15, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by KansaiBen

The legal part is that no one can force you to pay up whether you are married or unmarried. The courts here have no teeth for enforcing their own judgements. About 40% of divorced fathers in this country pay no child support on their kids. How many are of children from marriages out of wedlock is anyone's guess.

Don't pay and you just get labeled a deadbeat, that's all.

Doesn't the police enforce this? Especially if you're a gaijin I would think police would enforce you to pay up.

Also labeled a deadbeat by who? Noone have to know right?

[QUOTE=oxymoron;1249756]

Originally Posted by Genkii

Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in JapanQUOTE]

How did she "trick" you?
"Look at this,dear. I had an artificial vagina inserted, so you can have sex and not have to wear a condom. I did it just for you. It's safe, try it. Try it now."
FFS!

You never know what a women can do..

**KansaiBen** · 2012-05-15, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Doesn't the police enforce this? Especially if you're a gaijin I would think police would enforce you to pay up.

Japanese police have no jurisdiction outside Japan so if you are living outside the country they cant touch you.

Court rulings are essentially legally binding, its a civil matter not a criminal one so police usually dont get involved. If you live in Japan she can seize your bank accounts, file a civil suit against you seeking payment or have your employer take it out of your wages. She has to apply to the court to do this. If you are not living in Japan then this becomes a moot point.

If you want to hide in Holland so you dont have to pay child support then that is another matter, its you that has to live with yourself.

Also labeled a deadbeat by who? Noone have to know right?

Only yourself and any future wives or partners, unless you plan on not telling them you have illegitimate offspring in Japan, before you marry them.

What would you say to a potential wife in that case?

**Hijinx** · 2012-05-15, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by HarryHurry

Did she trick you into putting your plonker where babies come from...?

Pay up, whinger...!

He poked a stork?

**Call_It_Like_Eye_See_It** · 2012-05-16, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Genkii

Do you have to pay child support when you're not married and your gf "tricked" you in getting her pregnant in Japan?

In holland even if you're not married you are financial responsible for the child. I'm not implying I'm against that I just want to know if it's the same in Japan.

Yes, you do. Failure to pay will result in either a hefty fine, incarceration or vasectomy...

Or all of the above in Tokyo!

**PurpleDaisies** · 2012-05-16, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Call_It_Like_Eye_See_It

Yes, you do. Failure to pay will result in either a hefty fine, incarceration or vasectomy...

Or all of the above in Tokyo!

But like hanging, drawing and quartering it has tobe done in the correct order for maximum effectiveness, pain for the victim and amusement for onlookers.

Oops I read that as incineration

Well incarceration might not be as entertaining for onlookers as incineration, but in a Japanese prison it's still pretty painful for the victims

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