Living in OSAKA

[bugbug0102]

Hello everyone. I am a newbie in this forum but recently have been employed by a company in Osaka and will aboard on Sep.

My company would provide me an apartment, could someone tell me what is the average expense in Osaka ?

[well_bicyclically]

Hello everyone. I am a newbie in this forum but recently have been employed by a company in Osaka and will aboard on Sep.

My company would provide me an apartment, could someone tell me what is the average expense in Osaka ?

http://www.chihousai.or.jp/english/0..._OsakaCity.pdf

In 2008, the city spent nearly 40,000,000,000,000 yen.
Since the reallocation between the city and the prefecture, expense are expected to increase.

Good luck being a broad in September. There are many "new-half" types in Japan. Undoubtedly, you will be given the chance to appear on TV talk shows.

[KansaiBen]

Hello everyone. I am a newbie in this forum but recently have been employed by a company in Osaka and will aboard on Sep.

My company would provide me an apartment, could someone tell me what is the average expense in Osaka ?

How big is the apartment? Apartments are measured by size and number of rooms. e.g 1DK (one room, dining kitchen) if located within the Kanjosen loop line would go for 70-80,000 yen.

[Hijinx]

How big is the apartment? Apartments are measured by size and number of rooms. e.g 1DK (one room, dining kitchen) if located within the Kanjosen loop line would go for 70-80,000 yen.

Basically, an overpriced, piece-of-shit, rabbit hovel. Welcome to first-world Japan.

[Piethrower]

I think the OP might be referring to living expenses other than rent since his hovel is comp.

Basically, an overpriced, piece-of-shit, rabbit hovel. Welcome to first-world Japan.

On a professor's salary, you should be able to afford decent digs - that you can overhear your neighbors and have to worry about crows partying with your garbage really screams low rent. Time to make like the Jeffersons, ya old coon!

[KansaiBen]

I think the OP might be referring to living expenses other than rent since his hovel is comp.



On a professor's salary, you should be able to afford decent digs - that you can overhear your neighbors and have to worry about crows partying with your garbage really screams low rent. Time to make like the Jeffersons, ya old coon!

when I was at Temple the visiting professors were camped up in Mikage or Okamoto, you are looking at major yen

If you live on the top floor of a skyscraper you can pay big bucks too.

Live in Shin Imamiya and you can get rooms for 1500 yen a night.

[wernst]

Center is always expensive. I recommend living 10 to 15 min by train from the center. 3ldk 80.000 yen.

[KansaiBen]

I think the OP might be referring to living expenses other than rent since his hovel is comp.

His main expenses will be utilities (gas, water and electricity) around 20,000 yen a month. Buy an NTT phone, another 120,000 yen.
Mobile phone 10-13,000 yen a month depending on plan. Rest will be on food and entertainment and that depends on depth of your wallet.

[bugbug0102]

How big is the apartment? Apartments are measured by size and number of rooms. e.g 1DK (one room, dining kitchen) if located within the Kanjosen loop line would go for 70-80,000 yen.

From the layout that the company gave me, the size of the apartment is 7280mm x 3185mm.

Basically, I come from Hong Kong so you guys may know that Hong Kong people always pay around 300million HKD to live in a 200~300 square fleet apartment. Thus, I believe the company did give me a quite good living environment. (I hope so..)

[bugbug0102]

http://www.chihousai.or.jp/english/0..._OsakaCity.pdf

In 2008, the city spent nearly 40,000,000,000,000 yen.
Since the reallocation between the city and the prefecture, expense are expected to increase.

Good luck being a broad in September. There are many "new-half" types in Japan. Undoubtedly, you will be given the chance to appear on TV talk shows.

Good figure. Thanks.

I believe the most expensive things would be travelling and living as my company would also provide me allowance for travelling cost (i.e metro from the apartment to the office).

Um..

[bugbug0102]

Basically, an overpriced, piece-of-shit, rabbit hovel. Welcome to first-world Japan.

I do believe that Japan is much better than Hong Kong in terms of living cost (i.e. property value) which is the main reason I want to leave Hong Kong and kick off my new career in Japan.

[Hijinx]

Buy an NTT phone, another 120,000 yen.

120,000 yen, huh? What? Is it gold plated?

[bugbug0102]

I think the OP might be referring to living expenses other than rent since his hovel is comp.



On a professor's salary, you should be able to afford decent digs - that you can overhear your neighbors and have to worry about crows partying with your garbage really screams low rent. Time to make like the Jeffersons, ya old coon!

Um. I am not a professor anyway , I am going to be an attorney assistant in a law firm.

[pjb]

Live in Shin Imamiya and you can get rooms for 1500 yen a night.

Live in Hanazono-kita and you can sleep under the footbridge for free.

[KansaiBen]

From the layout that the company gave me, the size of the apartment is 7280mm x 3185mm.

Basically, I come from Hong Kong so you guys may know that Hong Kong people always pay around 300million HKD to live in a 200~300 square fleet apartment. Thus, I believe the company did give me a quite good living environment. (I hope so..)

That works out at about 23 square meters, the size of your average bedroom or living room back in the US or western countries

Your average tatami mat is 6 feet by 3 feet. I worked out that 6 tatami room is about 108 square feet, the size of your average kitchen.

A "one room manshon" will have one (living/bedroom) room a tiny kitchen a toilet and a unit bath, and thats it. The kitchen will have a sink, tiny bench and maybe a stove with one element on it, two if you are lucky.

My guess is you have a 1K or a 1DK. Not much different than Hong Kong. Im guessing the company will pay the security deposit and key money for you?

[bugbug0102]

That works out at about 23 square meters, the size of your average bedroom or living room back in the US or western countries

Your average tatami mat is 6 feet by 3 feet. I worked out that 6 tatami room is about 108 square feet, the size of your average kitchen.

A "one room manshon" will have one (living/bedroom) room a tiny kitchen a toilet and a unit bath, and thats it. The kitchen will have a sink, tiny bench and maybe a stove with one element on it, two if you are lucky.

My guess is you have a 1K or a 1DK. Not much different than Hong Kong. Im guessing the company will pay the security deposit and key money for you?

Yes, you are right. It appears that it is not much different than Hong Kong but my point is hiring such an apartment in Hong Kong needs around 5000 HKD / month (~ 50,000 yen).

I am sorry, what do you mean 1K or a 1DK ?

My company has asked me to pay the deposit around 100,000 yen and I have no idea for the key money, but I think I am not required to do pay for it as they told me that all the fittings and phone services would be provided.

[bugbug0102]

His main expenses will be utilities (gas, water and electricity) around 20,000 yen a month. Buy an NTT phone, another 120,000 yen.
Mobile phone 10-13,000 yen a month depending on plan. Rest will be on food and entertainment and that depends on depth of your wallet.

Thank you for your figure. It seems to me that gas, water and electricity are not cheap and I cannot believe I have to pay so much if I mainly stay in my apartment on Sat. and Sun.

Also, I heard that there is a large difference regarding to the food and entertainment between Tokyo and Osaka. How much does it cost for a set lunch and set dinner in Osaka in average ?

[KansaiBen]

Yes, you are right. It appears that it is not much different than Hong Kong but my point is hiring such an apartment in Hong Kong needs around 5000 HKD / month (~ 50,000 yen).

I am sorry, what do you mean 1K or a 1DK ?

My company has asked me to pay the deposit around 100,000 yen and I have no idea for the key money, but I think I am not required to do pay for it as they told me that all the fittings and phone services would be provided.

Key money is paid before you move in, its a security deposit, usually one months rent, one months "reikin" or gift money to the land lord and one months agents fees.

If employer is sponsoring your visa most will act as guarantor of your apartment but many wont, its no means guaranteed.

K= Kitchen
D= Dining room
L= Living Room

e.g 2DK 2 rooms, Dining, Kitchen.

Osaka cuisine is nicer in my opinion, Osaka people are very proud of their takoyaki and okonomiyaki.

Set meal is anything between 700-1000 yen, includes rice and miso soup.

[Hijinx]

Your beer expense will run--if you drink like a fish like me--at least 10,000 yen a week.

[bugbug0102]

Key money is paid before you move in, its a security deposit, usually one months rent, one months "reikin" or gift money to the land lord and one months agents fees.

If employer is sponsoring your visa most will act as guarantor of your apartment but many wont, its no means guaranteed.

K= Kitchen
D= Dining room
L= Living Room

e.g 2DK 2 rooms, Dining, Kitchen.

Osaka cuisine is nicer in my opinion, Osaka people are very proud of their takoyaki and okonomiyaki.

Set meal is anything between 700-1000 yen, includes rice and miso soup.

That sounds great, the price is quite reasonable.

I have been Italy where a McDonald cost me around 15 euro ( ~ 100 HKD ~ 1000 yen) which includes a coke, a burger and some potato chips.

[bugbug0102]

Your beer expense will run--if you drink like a fish like me--at least 10,000 yen a week.

I do not drink but may do after entering the new company for building a social network.

[Agitator]

Buy an NTT phone, another 120,000 yen.

Do you mean a landline phone right? Even that doesn't cost very much, or you can just pay an extra 263 yen a month, I believe.

Once again KansaiBen bringing you the latest in fifteen-year-out-of-date information.

Historically,
A.

[wernst]

Attorney Assistant eh? That should make for a good buck. I wouldnt be worried too much really.

maybe 30 to 40000 yen a month of living expenses (food, toothpaste, etc)

I assume the company pays the trainfare.

Mobile plan is not so expensive I only pay 8000 yen a month.

going out, midrange is around 1500 / 2000 yen a person for a decent meal. 700 yen for a smaller meal. usually.

[bugbug0102]

Attorney Assistant eh? That should make for a good buck. I wouldnt be worried too much really.

maybe 30 to 40000 yen a month of living expenses (food, toothpaste, etc)

I assume the company pays the trainfare.

Mobile plan is not so expensive I only pay 8000 yen a month.

going out, midrange is around 1500 / 2000 yen a person for a decent meal. 700 yen for a smaller meal. usually.

The price of meal seems reasonable but I will try to do the cooking myself as much as possible to save money in any event.

[Piethrower]

Um. I am not a professor anyway , I am going to be an attorney assistant in a law firm.

Ok, good to know...ya old coon!

I do not drink but may do after entering the new company for building a social network.

I like your gung-ho attitude. In Japan we are staunchly alcoholic. We bathe the fella who wakes up on the street after a night of binge drinking and still reports to work on time in admiration. In Japan the most common toast is 'Here's to sleeping on cement!' rather than 'Cheers.' 'I suggest you practise sleeping on cement prior to coming here.

[bugbug0102]

Ok, good to know...ya old coon!



I like your gung-ho attitude. In Japan we are staunchly alcoholic. We bathe the fella who wakes up on the street after a night of binge drinking and still reports to work on time in admiration. In Japan the most common toast is 'Here's to sleeping on cement!' rather than 'Cheers.' 'I suggest you practise sleeping on cement prior to coming here.

I knew that the Japanese has the own culture to work things out but my aim currently is to survive in my 6-months probation period.

It is because I have sacrificed a number of things in my home country (i.e. Hong Kong) such as my job and my post-grad. study.

Stressful

[StarfoxPro]

Hello everyone. I am a newbie in this forum but recently have been employed by a company in Osaka and will aboard on Sep.

My company would provide me an apartment, could someone tell me what is the average expense in Osaka ?

Osaka is a large city and like other large cities can be very expesive to live in. You get a small space for big bucks. In Nanawa-ku (which is not even that great of an area in Osaka) a one room apartment with a tiny mini kitchen and a small bath will run about 60000 yen a month, (which is about 600 US dollars per month). An apartment with a one bedroom, dining and kitchen will run anywhere from 70000 yen to 120000 yen a month depending on the area, size amenities, etc. Food is pretty high too. If you cook for your self, your monthly food bill will run you about 40000 yen a month (about 400 US dollar) for nutritious food and a balanced diet (vegatables, meat, rice, bread, etc). Utilities wont be too bad as long as you conserve. Mine run me about 12000 a month (about 120 US dollars) or less. Don`t forget there are always unexpected expenses that come about. You never know when an appliance will break, you have to go to the doctor or you need other things that come up. Owning a car in Japan is unforgivingly expensive. If you live in big city like Osaka, you may not need a car anyway. We have not even gotten to your share of the health insurance and pension you will have to pay. If you are getting shakai hoken, your law firm will pay for half and you will have to pay the other half. That other half you have to pay can be pretty high (20000+ a month)

To live in any large city in Japan you want (IMHO) at least 400000 yen a month. If you have a family, you will need a higher salary. If your law firm is paying you less, I would seriously reconsider if I were you.

I hope this information helps you. Good luck with your decision.

[Trichophyton-in-my-pants]

To live in any large city in Japan you want (IMHO) at least 400000 yen a month.

That's great. You need almost TWICE the amount of money than a regular Japanese person to live in Osaka?

Must be the reason why the girls are so darn thin....

[KansaiBen]

To live in any large city in Japan you want (IMHO) at least 400000 yen a month. If you have a family, you will need a higher salary. If your law firm is paying you less, I would seriously reconsider if I were you.

I hope this information helps you. Good luck with your decision.

I would seriously consider that you consider renting in between Osaka and Kyoto or move to Nara, unless you feel the need to crawl home after a late bender people take the last express from Namba at around 11.40pm and you are in Nara by midnight. I have a 2LDK in Nara and pay 50,000 yen a month and even have a back yard, enough to keep a dog. You can probably find a place in Yao or Higashi Osaka for quite cheap.

You will pay serious money for the privilege of living in the bosom of Namba but if you dont mind a 30 minute commute it can save you major money in rent.

PS attorneys assistant means you are not an attorney right, more like a law clerk?

[Hijinx]

I do not drink but may do after entering the new company for building a social network.

You've gotta start somewhere--no time like the present. I wish many happy drinking days for you.

[bugbug0102]

I would seriously consider that you consider renting in between Osaka and Kyoto or move to Nara, unless you feel the need to crawl home after a late bender people take the last express from Namba at around 11.40pm and you are in Nara by midnight. I have a 2LDK in Nara and pay 50,000 yen a month and even have a back yard, enough to keep a dog. You can probably find a place in Yao or Higashi Osaka for quite cheap.

You will pay serious money for the privilege of living in the bosom of Namba but if you dont mind a 30 minute commute it can save you major money in rent.

PS attorneys assistant means you are not an attorney right, more like a law clerk?

Basically, I do not have to pay rent since my housing allowance is included and I would not move as long as the living condition is not too bad. My apartment is located in Tsurnmi-ku (ward).

Yes, my duty is similar to a law clerk but primary focused on research task.

[StarfoxPro]

That's great. You need almost TWICE the amount of money than a regular Japanese person to live in Osaka?

IMHO, one cannot live in large city in Japan (Osaka, Tokyo, etc) on 200000yen a month (400000 / 2 according to your post)). Granted while each city's cost of living is indexed a little different, the larger cities tend to be similar. I just don't want to see the OP come here and find that he will have to live hand to mouth.

I agree with KB, Nara and the out skirts are a good bet. Many people who live in Japan commute.

Also I would seriously investigate "apartment taken care of". Be certain they are paying (or allowing it) separately and not just providing it and having you pay for it.

Good luck!

[KansaiBen]

Basically, I do not have to pay rent since my housing allowance is included and I would not move as long as the living condition is not too bad. My apartment is located in Tsurnmi-ku (ward).

Check that your employer is paying your key money deposit because you can't move in until it is paid. If you pay they will take it out of your paycheck over the next few months. Tsurumi is on the outer edge of Osaka, right up against the mountains. Ive never been out that way myself by Tsurumi Ryokuchi Koen is quite a big park and the only green in the area for miles around. You can be in central Osaka in 20-30 minutes (It takes me 45 from Nara to get to Umeda).

[bugbug0102]

Check that your employer is paying your key money deposit because you can't move in until it is paid. If you pay they will take it out of your paycheck over the next few months. Tsurumi is on the outer edge of Osaka, right up against the mountains. Ive never been out that way myself by Tsurumi Ryokuchi Koen is quite a big park and the only green in the area for miles around. You can be in central Osaka in 20-30 minutes (It takes me 45 from Nara to get to Umeda).

Thank your for guys' replies.

I have read my contract again that I am required to pay the deposit on my 1st working day and the apartment would be available once the deposit is made.

Do you think the deposit mean "key money deposit" ?