asking for a copy of a koseki-tohon

[miramira]

i need to get a copy of my ex-wife's kosekitohn, to prove i'm divorced. i've been told before that if your name is on the koseki regardless of circumstance, you have a right to it, even if your divorced.

i'm assuming that the town hall officers will fobb me off and tell me some crap despite what i've read/been told all ready and not give me the koseki, so can someone give me a load of sentaces in japanese which will make things a run a bit smoother and maybe a link to webpage in japanese which confirms the above info which i could print and out and be like:
"oh don't pull that ____ on me, here a piece of A4 paper with a some legal ____ printed on it, ha! Give me the koseki ____ head!"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koseki

[KansaiBen]

i need to get a copy of my ex-wife's kosekitohn, to prove i'm divorced. i've been told before that if your name is on the koseki regardless of circumstance, you have a right to it, even if your divorced.
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If you are divorced you should have received a piece of paper called a 受理証明書　(juri-shomeisho) which certifies you are divorced.

FTR I have got my got my childrens resident certificates （住民表）　twice since my divorce and they contacted her to get permission. My guess is they may contact her to get permssion before giving it to you. My understanding is if you are listed on the certificate as an ex-husband you are entitled to it.

[miramira]

If you are divorced you should have received a piece of paper called a 受理証明書　(juri-shomeisho) which certifies you are divorced.

True, i should of, but she's an idiot!

[madazzahatter]

If you are divorced you should have received a piece of paper called a 受理証明書　(juri-shomeisho) which certifies you are divorced.

FTR I have got my got my childrens resident certificates （住民表）　twice since my divorce and they contacted her to get permission. My guess is they may contact her to get permssion before giving it to you. My understanding is if you are listed on the certificate as an ex-husband you are entitled to it.

As far as I know,anyone can ask and receive the Koseki. It's public record but you might need to show and ID and sign a form. Besides,your name should be on there as well.

[KansaiBen]

True, i should of, but she's an idiot!

The city office sends it to you by mail. You provide a copy of your passport when you hand in your divorce papers. If you have not done so my guess is she didn't not hand in the paper and you are still married.

City office will have the records on file if she filed the papers.

PS I heard of a guy a few years ago put on a huge wedding reception and ceremony but his "wife" never submitted the koin-todoke marriage certificate to city office. Legally they were not married in Japan for over 10 years as a result.

[Seattlegirl]

As far as I know,anyone can ask and receive the Koseki. It's public record but you might need to show and ID and sign a form. Besides,your name should be on there as well.

Wow, so not true. This is private information. If you are listed on the koseki, you can get a copy, but you can't just ask for anyone's koseki and get it, no matter how much ID you have, unless you have some interest in it (i.e., debt collectors, executors of wills).

[madazzahatter]

Wow, so not true. This is private information. If you are listed on the koseki, you can get a copy, but you can't just ask for anyone's koseki and get it, no matter how much ID you have, unless you have some interest in it (i.e., debt collectors, executors of wills).

All you need is an ID and a reason...my brother in law has a side job as a private investigator in Tokyo.
Your name SHOULD be on it to request a copy,but some places don't even ask for ID. And some peole lie to obtain copies. Just say your in the "collection" business.

[KansaiBen]

All you need is an ID and a reason...my brother in law has a side job as a private investigator in Tokyo.

who I can assume comes with a court warrant? Lots of private investigators are former cops.

[Seattlegirl]

All you need is an ID and a reason...my brother in law has a side job as a private investigator in Tokyo.
Your name SHOULD be on it to request a copy,but some places don't even ask for ID. And some peole lie to obtain copies. Just say your in the "collection" business.

I doubt very highly that would work for foreigners.

[madazzahatter]

who I can assume comes with a court warrant?

I'm saying in a perfect world,people wouldn't give out such information.....my city hall is NOT perfect. That's true about many being former cops and some are even Yaks....

[madazzahatter]

I doubt very highly that would work for foreigners.

Who knows,but in this case,his name is on the Koseki (he hopes so) so there is no issue.
By the way,wanna buy a fake ID? Passport? What'cha need?!

[SometimesJustMe]

Why not just ask for a copy of the divorce papers? They copy the application for divorce, officially stamp it an all, and you're on your way.

[miramira]

so great in this thread we've worked out that 'yaks' and expolicemen regually steal kosekis from town halls all over japan, but you haven't answered my ____ing question!

If i was was to roll up to my town hall, when i return in august what do i say to them to get them to hand over the koseki with my name on it/jyurishomeisho, etc, and any links web to a page in japanese which states my right to the koseki with my name on it. so i can show them a piece of paper...

[madazzahatter]

Information provided in koseki is detailed as well as sensitive and makes discrimination possible against such groups as burakumin or illegitimate children and unwed mothers, for example. As the burakumin liberation movement gained strength in postwar Japan some changes were made to family registries. In 1974 a notice that prohibited employers from asking prospective employees to show their family registry was released by the Ministry of Health and Welfare. In 1975 one's lineage name was deleted and in 1976 access to family registries was restricted. As of April 2007, anyone interested was eligible to get a copy of someone else's koseki. However, on May 1, 2008, a new law was implemented to limit the persons eligible for a copy to the persons whose names are recorded in a given koseki and those who need such a copy to exercise their due rights (debt collectors, executors of wills). Anyone who is listed on a koseki, even if their name has been crossed off by reason of divorce and even if they are not a Japanese citizen, is eligible to get a copy of that koseki. One can obtain a copy in person or by mail. Lawyers can also obtain copies of any koseki if a person listed is involved in legal proceedings.

You can translate this or even check WIKIPEDIA in Japanese under Koseki.

[SometimesJustMe]

so great in this thread we've worked out that 'yaks' and expolicemen regually steal kosekis from town halls all over japan, but you haven't answered my ____ing question!

If i was was to roll up to my town hall, when i return in august what do i say to them to get them to hand over the koseki with my name on it/jyurishomeisho, etc, and any links web to a page in japanese which states my right to the koseki with my name on it. so i can show them a piece of paper...

I guess your question has now been answered (above) though I suspect it'll still come down to who you deal with on the day.

My point was I was able to prove divorce without ever getting the koseki.

[KansaiBen]

My point was I was able to prove divorce without ever getting the koseki.

Basic gist of all this is that if an application for a divorce has been received the city office will issue a juri-shomeisho. In practice you dont need the Koseki-tohon to find out whether you are divorced or not.

If you ask for a juri-shomeisho and they wont give it to you then it means you are not legally or officially divorced or the form has not been filed with the city office.

Methinks the OP is barking up the wrong tree by going after the koseki, myself.


「結婚（離婚）証明書」という証明書はありませんが、 静岡市に婚姻届（離婚届）を提出していれば「受理証明 書」を発行することができます。
ただし、一般的には結婚（離婚）の証明は戸籍謄本もし くは抄本で確認していただくものですので、会社での扶 養認定手続きなどに使用される場合は、戸籍謄本もしく は抄本が必要なのか、受理証明書で足りるのかを、あら かじめ提出先に確認してください。

◆ご注意いただくこと
・静岡市で「受理証明書」を請求できる方は、静岡市に 婚姻届（離婚届）を提出した届出人に限ります。（届出 人は「窓口に持参した方」の意味ではありません）
・代理人が請求する場合、「依頼した請求者本人が記載 した委任状」と窓口にお越しいただく方の身分証明書を お持ちください。

【注意】平成20年5月1日からは戸籍法の改正に伴い、よ り一層の個人情報保護を図るため、
窓口に来られた方に対しては運転免許証やパスポートなどによる本人確認を実施させていただきます。
詳しくは各区の戸籍住民課にお問い合わせください。
・静岡市以外で婚姻届（離婚届）を提出した方は、届出 をした市町村役場に請求してください。
・日本で届出をしていない方の証明書は発行できません 。
証明書が必要な場合は大使館等にお問い合わせください 。
・外国人との婚姻の場合は他の証明が必要となる場合が ありますので、担当課へご相談ください。

[miramira]

so i'm standing in the kuyakushou and theres some stupid OL standing in front of me, what the ____ do i say to get my rightful juri-shomeishou?

[madazzahatter]

so i'm standing in the kuyakushou and theres some stupid OL standing in front of me, what the ____ do i say to get my rightful juri-shomeishou?

Show some ID and just say,"Juri-shomeishou kudasai." Might be a good start and it's simple.

[KansaiBen]

Show some ID and just say,"Juri-shomeishou kudasai." Might be a good start and it's simple.

Make sure you say 離婚受理証明書 (rikon)　as there is one for marriage as well.

[KansaiBen]

I have been following your posts from 2007 and can't believe you got divorced! I really thought you two were made for each other.

Bad things happen to good people. No one expects they will ever get a divorce when they walk down the aisle.

[miramira]

Bad things happen to good people. No one expects they will ever get a divorce when they walk down the aisle.

We didn't even walk down the aisle, it was a cold sunday night and we went to the the town hall in Kudanshita where the janitor who was working the night shift stamped the documents.

Thats right my crappy marriage was confirmed by a ____ing caretaker.

[miramira]

divorce and marriage, and a bit of visa hustling not bad for only 54 posts!

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