USA gun problem solved

**HarryHurry** · 2012-07-26, 12:10 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18980974

Aurora shooting: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

Problem solved then....

**Duymon** · 2012-07-30, 04:45 PM

I don't blame them. Would rather die on your own two feet than die like a dog.

**HarryHurry** · 2012-07-30, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Duymon

I don't blame them. Would rather die on your own two feet than die like a dog.

And round and round you go....

**edin日本** · 2012-07-30, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Duymon

I don't blame them. Would rather die on your own two feet than die like a dog.

There must be an appropriate Cagney quote about dying like a dog. Pity I haven't found it.

**engemoui** · 2012-07-30, 09:43 PM

It's one thing to get a gun to feel safe. It's a completely different situation to get a gun to go on a shooting spree because you're insane and feel like other people need to die because your own life is crappy. Maybe when the next time something goes down in Colorado, one of those people who bought a gun will take down the crazy mofo shooting everyone.

That's my two cents on the issue.

**edin日本** · 2012-07-30, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by engemoui

It's one thing to get a gun to feel safe. It's a completely different situation to get a gun to go on a shooting spree because you're insane and feel like other people need to die because your own life is crappy. Maybe when the next time something goes down in Colorado, one of those people who bought a gun will take down the crazy mofo shooting everyone.

That's my two cents on the issue.

I doubt that will happen because any sane person will be trying to present as small a target as possible and won't be trying to draw fire by shooting back.

**Andun** · 2012-07-30, 10:55 PM

Legalize the sale of close range nuclear weapons in gun stores. Problem solved! Let Americans blow themselves to kingdom come. The bigger the gun the more virgins in heaven, right?
...oh wait.....

**paradoxbox** · 2012-07-30, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by edin日本

I doubt that will happen because any sane person will be trying to present as small a target as possible and won't be trying to draw fire by shooting back.

this statement is backed by what?

a fairly high percentage of handgun owners in the USA take training courses in things like tactical and speed drills for their handguns

a lot of handgun owners in the USA are far, far more capable than you give them credit for.

take a look on youtube at stuff like the mozambique drill. it's routine for most people serious about handgun ownership.

**hennagaijin** · 2012-07-30, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by edin日本

I doubt that will happen because any sane person will be trying to present as small a target as possible and won't be trying to draw fire by shooting back.

I thought that when I first saw the insanity that is people going out and buying more guns .. because some people were killed by a gun...

The John Wayne that stood up in the cinema and started shooting back at Crazy Larry would have likely have drawn fire putting everyone around him (and anywhere at all behind him) at increased risk.

Undoubtedly some gun toten' rambos train regularly and would know what they are doing..
most do not.

I had 20 years training and carrying guns in my old job - now I am happy never to lay eyes on one.

Less guns = less people killed by guns.

But it will be many many years (maybe hundreds) before the majority of Americans accept that.
I know better than to waste a minute debating any of this with the "my guns = my liberty/freedom/rights/____ size/manliness" characters
And I don't care because I don't have to live there.
Give them ALL guns and let them shoot it out to their hearts' content.
It makes for good Youtube videos.

**edin日本** · 2012-07-31, 03:47 AM

Sounds like a plan

**Effected After** · 2012-07-31, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by engemoui

Maybe when the next time something goes down in Colorado, one of those people who bought a gun will take down the crazy mofo shooting everyone.

Or maybe the next thing that goes down in Colorado will be the son of one of those who thought it was a good idea to buy a gun finding the gun, with the last thing going through his head being the bullet that puts the kid's brains out on the floor.

**HarryHurry** · 2012-07-31, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by paradoxbox

a fairly high percentage of handgun owners in the USA take training courses in things like tactical and speed drills for their handguns

.

Yes, indeed, we should all spend our evenings and weekends practising tactical and speed drills for handguns. Perfectly natural.

It's what makes America great....

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Duymon

I don't blame them. Would rather die on your own two feet than die like a dog.

stupid americans.

truly over the issue of gun control and ownership they are pig thick stupid

Stupid american man with his Kmatrt bought semi walks into a packed dark cinema and starts shooting

Stupid american man in audience (exercising his right to bare arms and defend himself) pulls out his gun and returns fire (in dark packed cinema)

can you see where this is going?

The fact is Americans are (mostly) very fat and very stupid. Let them kill each other. The world has enough fat idiots

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by hennagaijin

I thought that when I first saw the insanity that is people going out and buying more guns .. because some people were killed by a gun...

The John Wayne that stood up in the cinema and started shooting back at Crazy Larry would have likely have drawn fire putting everyone around him (and anywhere at all behind him) at increased risk.

Undoubtedly some gun toten' rambos train regularly and would know what they are doing..
most do not.

I had 20 years training and carrying guns in my old job - now I am happy never to lay eyes on one.

Less guns = less people killed by guns.

But it will be many many years (maybe hundreds) before the majority of Americans accept that.
I know better than to waste a minute debating any of this with the "my guns = my liberty/freedom/rights/____ size/manliness" characters
And I don't care because I don't have to live there.
Give them ALL guns and let them shoot it out to their hearts' content.
It makes for good Youtube videos.

exactly.

In a shocking incident today a young man walked into a downtown cinema armed with a pointed stick and a large stone. He alegedly threw the rock which caused some light bruising to the left shin of one of the patrons before he turned his pointed stick onto the unsuspecting crowd. Before shocked cinema goers subdued the assailant at least three people recieved minor contusions.

...its not really rocket science is it?

A gun is a WMD. a knife, sword, stick, stone isnt.

But let the fat fools kill each other at least that keeps them busy when they are not being the 'leaders of the free word'

**HarryHurry** · 2012-07-31, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by thefg

stupid americans.

truly over the issue of gun control and ownership they are pig thick stupid

Stupid american man with his Kmatrt bought semi walks into a packed dark cinema and starts shooting

Stupid american man in audience (exercising his right to bare arms and defend himself) pulls out his gun and returns fire (in dark packed cinema)

can you see where this is going?

The fact is Americans are (mostly) very fat and very stupid. Let them kill each other. The world has enough fat idiots

Very profound...

**Andun** · 2012-07-31, 01:11 PM

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by HarryHurry

Very profound...

but you cant argue the facts:

1) They are very fat:-

America is the most obese nation in the world 36% of pop is a lard arse
http://www.noo.org.uk/NOO_about_obesity/international/

2) They are very stupid:-

No need to explain this one

**Mr. Ludd** · 2012-07-31, 01:40 PM

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But it will be many many years (maybe hundreds) before the majority of Americans accept that.
I know better than to waste a minute debating any of this with the "my guns = my liberty/freedom/rights/____ size/manliness" characters
.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Most of the "Don't touch my guns" crowd somehow think that regulating guns is the same taking them away. Guns are meant to kill people, and not in the neat and tidy Hollywood manner either.

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by preset

post the pic of the Boeing protestor carrying that MORAN plackard!

do it

do it

do it

like shooting fish in a barrel

**twelvedown** · 2012-07-31, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by edin日本

I doubt that will happen because any sane person will be trying to present as small a target as possible and won't be trying to draw fire by shooting back.

That's right, A really well trained and seasoned person such as a city cop or a military person who has had people shoot at them before will be able to fire back. Your average libertarian with the sidearm, no matter the size, no matter how many times they have drawn that Colt in the mirror, how many range targets they have fired at will be actively pooing him or herself in a corner. And that's the way it fkn is.
Reducing the carnage in America (and Mexico and Central America) comes down to gun control. Suck it up. You can say whatever you want about the fukin constitution blah blah but 3000 dead children a year in a first world country from guns fkn disgusts the world.

So..... Japan's population is roughly half the size of America. Imagine if 1500 kids were murdered here every year by guns.... 4 children a day shot dead. Is that a reasonable price to pay for having your wankright to carry an assault rifle? Hideous. Would you like me to turn up to your dinner party with a machete?

Let's imagine that. Everywhere you go someone is carrying a gun or a machete.

Or it could just be like Tokyo with 22 million people, as much liquor as you want, get as drunk as you want and children taking themselves back and forth from school and nobody gets shot.

Maybe someone would like to bring up he Akiba crime. It was terrible but how many died or were hurt there? About 7 and it would have been one hundred if they allowed guns here.

If you are happy to accept 10,000 gun deaths a year, 3,000 dead children from guns then great. Good for you.
Let 'I supported the murder of 3000 children per year for my gun rights' be written on your tomb.

Enraged is not half of how I feel.

**paradoxbox** · 2012-07-31, 02:45 PM

so do you think if we ban suicide in japan the suicide rate will go down?

also, i think we should ban driving while drunk. then we'll never have drunk drivers.

**Andun** · 2012-07-31, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by paradoxbox

so do you think if we ban suicide in japan the suicide rate will go down?

also, i think we should ban driving while drunk. then we'll never have drunk drivers.

Suicide is already 'illegal'. Obviously that doesn't change anything.

**twelvedown** · 2012-07-31, 03:41 PM

Maybe we should have everyone carry a gun in Tokyo. That would be perfect. I reach into my bag for a water bottle and someone draws one me and then they die. Awesome.
Some idiot on the internet said that having soldiers everywhere (like Israel) would solve the problem... You want to live like that? Put your hand up if you want to live like that. A soldier with an automatic weapon on each and every corner. Or.... Tokyo.. with 22 million people and a murder a day if that.

**Effected After** · 2012-07-31, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by paradoxbox

also, i think we should ban driving while drunk. then we'll never have drunk drivers.

Obviously this comment was sarcastic. That implies you think that we should get rid of drinking and driving laws because people are still going to drink and drive anyways, making the laws meaningless. Correct?

**Effected After** · 2012-07-31, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by twelvedown

Some idiot on the internet said that having soldiers everywhere (like Israel) would solve the problem... You want to live like that?

Ever since 9-11, Americans seem to be moving in this direction. They have repeatedly willingly given up their freedoms for a false sense of security.

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by paradoxbox

so do you think if we ban suicide in japan the suicide rate will go down?

also, i think we should ban driving while drunk. then we'll never have drunk drivers.

suicide is illegal in many countries.

they have banned driving after drinking..and the number or drink related accidents went down...now see if you can follow the logic

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Effected After

Obviously this comment was sarcastic. That implies you think that we should get rid of drinking and driving laws because people are still going to drink and drive anyways, making the laws meaningless. Correct?

was it sarcasm - i mean nobody is that stupid surely.

Nobody is that stupid to see the world only in absolute terms. That less deaths is meaningless unless its no deaths.

..or maybe he is that stupid..he could be amereakan

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Effected After

Ever since 9-11, Americans seem to be moving in this direction. They have repeatedly willingly given up their freedoms for a false sense of security.

im sorry but please refer to it as "when the world changed" not 911

personally im not so phased by terrorist attacks, bombings and killings on my home soil.

I grew up used to that back when the Americans were funding the IRA terrorists to kill women and children who were just trying to shop for xmas presents.

...hang on a mo.....

....they were funding terrorist attacks on our home soil
.....they had real (not made up) WMD

maybe the UK should have invaded the US steal all their oil and put their president to death.

**Effected After** · 2012-07-31, 05:01 PM

And that goes to show that the 9-11 terrorists succeeded. They weren't a large enough organization to ruin the country on their own, so they instead set a flame that got the Americans to willingly ruin their own country.

**hennagaijin** · 2012-07-31, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by thefg

im sorry but please refer to it as "when the world changed" not 911

personally im not so phased by terrorist attacks, bombings and killings on my home soil.

I grew up used to that back when the Americans were funding the IRA terrorists to kill women and children who were just trying to shop for xmas presents

Yes.. but carnage and the death of hundreds of thousands of people all over the world year after year is irrelevant..

Now we are talking about AMERICANS dying..
that is far more serious!

(P.S. More guns for Americans!! USA! USA! USA!)

**paradoxbox** · 2012-07-31, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by thefg

Nobody is that stupid to see the world only in absolute terms. That less deaths is meaningless unless its no deaths.

so what you're saying is that if guns are banned there will be no more gun crimes, right? isn't that seeing things in absolute terms? do i detect a little hypocrisy there?

yes i'm being sarcastic, you've still got the balls to call me stupid after not catching a post overflowing with sarcasm..? ridiculous!

i am not american, but i'm not stupid enough to buy into the hard left wing idea that banning guns will reduce gun crime in a country where guns are literally the entire reason for the country existing. the USA is a gun culture country. taking away guns in the US is like trying to ban alcohol consumption past midnight in japan. completely unrealistic.

banning guns in the USA is statistically proven to increase violent crime involving guns. every city in the US that has banned guns (unconstitutionally by the way) has extremely high gun crime. give law abiding people a way to fight back, people bent on killing others will find a way to do it with or without guns. (remember akihabara in 2008?)

**theadamie** · 2012-07-31, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by twelvedown

That's right, A really well trained and seasoned person such as a city cop or a military person who has had people shoot at them before will be able to fire back. Your average libertarian with the sidearm, no matter the size, no matter how many times they have drawn that Colt in the mirror, how many range targets they have fired at will be actively pooing him or herself in a corner. And that's the way it fkn is.
Reducing the carnage in America (and Mexico and Central America) comes down to gun control. Suck it up. You can say whatever you want about the fukin constitution blah blah but 3000 dead children a year in a first world country from guns fkn disgusts the world.

So..... Japan's population is roughly half the size of America. Imagine if 1500 kids were murdered here every year by guns.... 4 children a day shot dead. Is that a reasonable price to pay for having your wankright to carry an assault rifle? Hideous. Would you like me to turn up to your dinner party with a machete?

Let's imagine that. Everywhere you go someone is carrying a gun or a machete.

Or it could just be like Tokyo with 22 million people, as much liquor as you want, get as drunk as you want and children taking themselves back and forth from school and nobody gets shot.

Maybe someone would like to bring up he Akiba crime. It was terrible but how many died or were hurt there? About 7 and it would have been one hundred if they allowed guns here.

If you are happy to accept 10,000 gun deaths a year, 3,000 dead children from guns then great. Good for you.
Let 'I supported the murder of 3000 children per year for my gun rights' be written on your tomb.

Enraged is not half of how I feel.

If I honestly thought that gun control in the US would help my opinion would be different, but that's not the case. Japan is an ISLAND it's easy to control what comes in and out. The US has 2 big borders, one without any kind of fence or guards, and the other not guarded well. what makes you think that making guns illegal would stop criminals from getting guns?
just the good nature of violent criminals? even if you took registered guns away there would still be tons of unregistered ammo floating around forever, and people have and do make guns by themselves, sometimes called "zip guns". I have a hand gun in the US. it's under lock and key, don't think I'll ever have to use it, but who knows. My dad kept guns and offered a woman "friend, he was already married" to spend the night at the house when her husband was becoming dangerously violent. he said he had a gun and would protect her, and my mom was fine with the idea. she said it wasn't necessary, and whatd'ya know? guess who's murdered body was found shortly after? hers. guns may not always be a good thing but until the US government can manage anything decently a ban on guns is out of the question. Japan can manage it well, and I like the fact that it's so safe here, and the fact that no one has guns. but in the US criminals would still have guns..

**theadamie** · 2012-07-31, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by thefg

suicide is illegal in many countries.

they have banned driving after drinking..and the number or drink related accidents went down...now see if you can follow the logic

one has enforceable punishment and the other doesn't genius. you REALLY think you'll be able to punish the guy who just jumped off the 19th floor? good luck with that.

**edin日本** · 2012-07-31, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by twelvedown

That's right, A really well trained and seasoned person such as a city cop or a military person who has had people shoot at them before will be able to fire back. Your average libertarian with the sidearm, no matter the size, no matter how many times they have drawn that Colt in the mirror, how many range targets they have fired at will be actively pooing him or herself in a corner. And that's the way it fkn is.
Reducing the carnage in America (and Mexico and Central America) comes down to gun control. Suck it up. You can say whatever you want about the fukin constitution blah blah but 3000 dead children a year in a first world country from guns fkn disgusts the world.

So..... Japan's population is roughly half the size of America. Imagine if 1500 kids were murdered here every year by guns.... 4 children a day shot dead. Is that a reasonable price to pay for having your wankright to carry an assault rifle? Hideous. Would you like me to turn up to your dinner party with a machete?

Let's imagine that. Everywhere you go someone is carrying a gun or a machete.

Or it could just be like Tokyo with 22 million people, as much liquor as you want, get as drunk as you want and children taking themselves back and forth from school and nobody gets shot.

Maybe someone would like to bring up he Akiba crime. It was terrible but how many died or were hurt there? About 7 and it would have been one hundred if they allowed guns here.

If you are happy to accept 10,000 gun deaths a year, 3,000 dead children from guns then great. Good for you.
Let 'I supported the murder of 3000 children per year for my gun rights' be written on your tomb.

Enraged is not half of how I feel.

CHILL!! FFS, it's the USA! We've lived just North of the buggers for just over 145 years and watched them screw the pooch time and time again. They never learn! Look at what's happening now! They're repeating the mistakes that were made during prohibition and at the same time rerunning the same programs and ideas that lead to the Great Depression. With luck, we'll see the US pull in and become isolationist, see their populace watch apathetically as their best and brightest run off to better markets for their talents and see all innovation and industry slowly grind to a halt.

Let them have their guns, let their homicidal maniacs gun down people in the strip malls, sports arenas, schools, movie theatres and workplaces of the nation. Let them continue to screw the pooch until the pooch gets sick and tired of it and decides to bite them.

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by paradoxbox

so what you're saying is that if guns are banned there will be no more gun crimes, right? isn't that seeing things in absolute terms? do i detect a little hypocrisy there?

no you dumb-fk im saying if you have less guns you will have less gun deaths.

i am not american, but i'm not stupid enough to buy into the hard left wing idea that banning guns will reduce gun crime in a country where guns are literally the entire reason for the country existing. the USA is a gun culture country. taking away guns in the US is like trying to ban alcohol consumption past midnight in japan. completely unrealistic.

clearly you ARE that stupid.

Make drink driving laws more strict = less drunk drivers = less drunk driving related deaths
Less guns = less gun related deaths

Are you seriously telling me every life saved by stricter drink driving laws or stricter gun control is meaningless unless all lives are saved/

that is truly dumb

banning guns in the USA is statistically proven to increase violent crime involving guns. every city in the US that has banned guns (unconstitutionally by the way) has extremely high gun crime. give law abiding people a way to fight back, people bent on killing others will find a way to do it with or without guns. (remember akihabara in 2008?)

BS. Absolute BS. you may want to check your facts any country in the world number of homicides V gun ownership
Have a guess how many of the 5Million Singaporeans were killed by guns in last year

Simple logic - I cant shoot you with my gun (as much as id want to) - if I dont have a gun.

Sure the hard core bad arses and pro criminals are harder to gun control but not so the guy who just loses it - gets hold of a gun and then kills. Hes the guy we can target with better control. make it harder for the kid whose having a bad week to buy a gun, three days is a friggin joke.

but the real problem is the culture and attitude. any other country someone buying that much gear would raise a flag

**Effected After** · 2012-07-31, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by paradoxbox

so what you're saying is that if guns are banned there will be no more gun crimes, right? isn't that seeing things in absolute terms? do i detect a little hypocrisy there?

Why did you ignore my post on the topic?

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by theadamie

If I honestly thought that gun control in the US would help my opinion would be different, but that's not the case. Japan is an ISLAND it's easy to control what comes in and out. The US has 2 big borders, one without any kind of fence or guards, and the other not guarded well. what makes you think that making guns illegal would stop criminals from getting guns?

it wont but it makes it harder for the school student who is having a bad week to get one. Make gun ownership ILLEGAL how hard is that. If your caught with a gun you go to jail period. to suggest its pointless banning because you have borders you may as well make drugs legal as well then.

if you truly believe that nobody is safe living in america unless they own a gun then lets stop all this BS talk about america being no. 1 and the leaders of the free world because clearly its lawless primitive and dangerous place to live. You would have been safer living in Baghdad...before you lot invaded unprovoked with all your guns of course.

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by theadamie

one has enforceable punishment and the other doesn't genius. you REALLY think you'll be able to punish the guy who just jumped off the 19th floor? good luck with that.

another dumb - fk.

I only made the statement that 'suicide is illegal in many countries'. You are the one adding additional and non existent meaning to that statement.

But seeing as you brought it up - for your education:-

The reason attempting suicide is illegal is because it then give the courts the power to put such a person under involuntary observation until their suicidal tendencies can be treated.

**edin日本** · 2012-07-31, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by thefg

another dumb - fk.

I only made the statement that 'suicide is illegal in many countries'. You are the one adding additional and non existent meaning to that statement.

Maybe you should tell the idiot about how the Japanese govt goes out of their way to penalize the family of the guy who jumped off the 19 storey building or the family of the poor sod who jumped in front of the Chuo Line Express.

**thefg** · 2012-07-31, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by edin日本

Maybe you should tell the idiot about how the Japanese govt goes out of their way to penalize the family of the guy who jumped off the 19 storey building or the family of the poor sod who jumped in front of the Chuo Line Express.

exactly

If you must kill yourself dont cause chaos inconvenience tens of thousands of people and cost businesses across tokyo millions of dollars.

Please do it on a weekend and on a 'cheaper' line

If you are looking to kill yourself would you choose a way that you know is going to cost your loved ones dearly? or would you choose a less economically damaging way?

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