Proposal for a new rule

[observer]

Dear Ueberuser,

I would like the admins to consider the following idea for a new rule to be included for our forum

(folks, before any of you start saying, "What? you are actually proposing a rule? You are trying to suffocate the forum?" and go berserk on me, please read on until the end. I am making this proposal for the protection of both the community and the site admins...)

Affirmation of Emotional Fitness To Take Part in Open Discussion:

Before making any posts, I believe all posters must agree to the following conditions:

1. "All posters shall agree to the basic premise of the open discussion that there will be typically a diversity of views and thus some of them could be opposing their own."

2. "Thus, all posters must affirm that they are intellectually and emotionally fit to tolerate the potential existence of opposing views when they take part in the forum discussions."

3. "All posters shall indemnify the site administrators against any psychological sufferings caused by either intentional or accidental viewing of opposing opinions that are nevertheless deemed to be within the rules of GP by the site administrators."

4. "All posters shall agree to absolve the site administors of any legal or ethical obligations regarding the point #3 above."


The rules may bring the following benefits:

For the community, it will promote free exchange of ideas while serving to remind posters to check their emotional well-being before coming to an open discussion forum.

For the site admins, it will provide more legal protection from any possibilities of litigations that a poster has suffered deep emotional trauma due to the viewing of content contrary to his/her views on the forum that are nevertheless within the rules of the forum, and somehow the site administers are to be held responsible for this.


My apologies for the rather lengthy and legalese post. But I think it will ultimately serve everyone's benefit... I am guessing it is probably already included somewhere within the existing rules or membership agreement, but I think the site admins could make the point clearer in a concise way to posters in general.


I will appreciate your feedback. Thank you.

[observer]

Ueberuser, I just re-read what I wrote, and I propose the following revised points for #3 and #4:

3. "All posters shall indemnify the site administrators AND OTHER POSTERS against any psychological/emotional/self-inflicted physical sufferings caused by either intentional or accidental viewing of opposing opinions that are nevertheless deemed to be within the rules of GP by the site administrators."

4. "All posters shall agree to absolve the site administrators AND OTHER POSTERS of any legal or ethical obligations regarding the point #3 above."


Thank you for your kind considerations.

[Blues]

Observer has good idea worth considering . I would vote for this one.

[richard]

OK I'll weigh in here on this. Observer's suggestion/proposal is worthy of consideration. R.

[Ueberuser]

Rewrite it so it fits the rules system:

1. No nubers and reference to numbers.
2. Shorten it down to the essence.
3. Find a place where it fits in with the other rules

Ue

[trip_hop]

Does this mean that we should sign waiver indemnities against the owner when we enter into a discussion in a cafe or a bar? Or the author (if alive) or librarian when we pick up a book in a library, or the producer/ TV broadcaster/ media delivery company when we even watch a film or TV programme?


This is politically correct BS overwhelming common sense.

2 much simpler concepts:

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

There are both exit/ quit and back-buttons on your browser, familiarise yourself with their use.

TV sets have off switchers, bars and cafes have exit doors, books can be closed and returned to the shelf. Learn to be responsible to yourself and others.

[observer]

Does this mean that we should sign waiver indemnities against the owner when we enter into a discussion in a cafe or a bar? Or the author (if alive) or librarian when we pick up a book in a library, or the producer/ TV broadcaster/ media delivery company when we even watch a film or TV programme?

Right. In a typical world, such an extreme action shouldn't be necessary.

This is politically correct BS overwhelming common sense.

Again, you are right. Trip Hop, your criticism is valid and in fact I regret the situation as much as you do.

My motivation came upon realizing after observing the GP discussion board recently that I could no longer take the notion of common sense for granted. Which is fine, in a typical situation. But what if a certain poster's different perception of "common sense" (which makes the very phrase "common sense" oxymoronic) has the potential of changing the very nature of what an open forum is supposed to be? That is why I reluctantly proposed the legalese (perhaps BS) idea above, as a defensive measure.

2 much simpler concepts:

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

There are both exit/ quit and back-buttons on your browser, familiarise yourself with their use.

Learn to be responsible to yourself and others.

Great suggestion. If you don't mind, I will borrow your ideas verbatim.


Ueberuser, so how about this one?

Under General Rules:

"You don't like something, but Admins say it is cool. Now what?"

- Some views in this world will be different from yours, so be responsible to yourself and others.

- "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen": And while you are at it, please keep the door open. Others may prefer to be in it for whatever reason.



Many thanks to Blues and Richard for their support and Trip Hop and Ueberuser for suggestions.

[kintarou]

out of 6,601 members, only 1 voiced a serious complaint about the appropriateness of the contentious thread:

= 0.0151492129%.

even if the figures are calculated from the 40 or so active members:

= 2.5%.

usually there is a 7% level of 'noise' when finalising figures, meaning that if you took a mix of 100 people and asked them if they believed 'giant mauve coat-hangers control the world' theoretically 7 people would concede it is likely.

in addition to this, the poster in question made no secret at any time that her mental state was less than stable and had also mentioned she had been recieving psychiatric help.

How can the forum be expected to implement an indemnity clause, waiver or any other stipulation based on these figures?

[kintarou]

a further point: i couldn't help notice, while the posters were posting 'those' images, the number of online members and guests was often well over a hundred as opposed to the usual 7 members and 34 guests.

[kirubiru]

The only rule that needs to be added is:

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

[aha yes]

out of 6,601 members, only 1 voiced a serious complaint about the appropriateness of the contentious thread:

= 0.0151492129%.

even if the figures are calculated from the 40 or so active members:

= 2.5%.

usually there is a 7% level of 'noise' when finalising figures, meaning that if you took a mix of 100 people and asked them if they believed 'giant mauve coat-hangers control the world' theoretically 7 people would concede it is likely.

While we admire your computational maneuvers, we are gravely concerned with the implication in your theoretical poll that the World League of Giant Mauve Coat-Hangers is in some way threatening, unsavory, or anything other than a benign collection of likeminded enthusiasts... MIBs are being dispatched at this moment to convey our earnest good will in regard to muted-colored clothing accessories.

Ewige blumenkraft!

[kintarou]

The only rule that needs to be added is:

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

The problem with this statement is that JF is attempting to provide an information service to the English-speaking community of Japan. As such, it has an obligation (albeit unstated) to ensure the material present on the site is in accordance with that which is 'deemed' acceptable.

It is not my position to speak for the Administrators, I have no standing here whatsoever (am probably just regarded as an irritating, bouncing poster who keeps his calculator at hand), but it is our decision to determine what we will accept.

Considering that what we write here is available to the world to view, in making such a decision surely it is our responsibility to recognise that not all members and guests
share the same beliefs and possess the same stability of mind.

Personally, I have been frustrated many times by the fact that intelligent conversation is not encouraged here, and have even been informed by other posters that this is not the place for the serious sharing of ideas.

Nonetheless, I still enjoy spending a few spare moments reading what you guys write, and if by chance I came upon some sexy pictures I would enjoy those also.

[richard]

Kintaro:
Maybe it's the heat of the day or maybe my brain is fogged or whatever, but I really don't get the point of your post. So are you saying that the statement is incorrect or should be rephrased or dropped or what?

Trip Hop has very nicely analyzed everything but I think the concept behind Observer's post is still sound.

Fon non-native speakers, the phrase "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen," could be misunderstood (since GP is accessed by different readers and from different countries) so this could be put into a a statement that would in effect say the same thing. Also TH's observation about hitting the back button could be put in as well. I would say to keep it simple and in clear English with little verbiage.

Observer - over to you.

[Blues]

Why not put it to a vote?

[stillnosheep]

Because the only reason that anybody suggested such an absurd rule was due to the attempt to isolate wolfgang_flur who got into a disagreement with yourself, richard and kintarou over the thread devoted to photographs of attractive young Japanese women and sheep.

Now leaving aside for one moment the question as to the desirability or otherwise of such pictures, or of the models - or, for that matter, of the sheep - wolfgang_flur has admitted to having a really hard time psychologically at the moment and I find the persistant attempts to undermine and isolate her out of order. Let's stop acting like playground bulies, eh?


But by all means get stuck into me if you want a fight. I enjoy it.

On the other hand I also fight back with all the means at my disposal.

[person]

the thread devoted to photographs of attractive young Japanese women and sheep.

I can't help laughing at the idea of a thread devoted to attractive, young JP women...and sheep. I laugh. Quite a combination.

Now, don't get yourself into an uproar, my dear little stillnosheep. I'm not in a fightin' mood so...no worries. I think we are both aware we are nothing if not equal adversaries

Just wondering if you have yet to find any sheep? When you do, will you change your handle? Just wondering....

[stillnosheep]

Why on earth might you think that I might be looking for any sheep?

[person]

It may have something to do with your handle...

STILL NO SHEEP

Am I misreading that in some way?

It was a joke. Just in case I had to clarify. Sometimes I'm less than funny.

[stillnosheep]

Ye..es, still no sheep, but what makes you think that I am yet to find any? and what is this joke-thing?

[waller]

Although Wolfgang may have come across as emotional in her protest, what she said was very valid. She found the pics and the dialogue that went with them objectionable. The whole thread was about sexualising Asian women, and as an Asian women, she was pissed off. Fair enough. She wasn't the only one, by the way, I also objected.So I guess I can wear the other label (besides crazy) that women usually get when they protest too much - feminist _____.

[person]

Ye..es, still no sheep, but what makes you think that I am yet to find any? and what is this joke-thing?

Clearly it's lost on you...so, don't worry about it. Perhaps I shouldn't have bothered. At any rate...

[stillnosheep]

What is theese 'joke'!

Of course I got it, person! I would have to be illiterate , stoopid (or pre-menstrual) not to have done!

Just p,p,p,pointin towards the more than one reading of still no sheep and the much misunderstood factoid that even the correct one may get one no further in the search for the reasoning behind the wotsit, which has probably slipped down the back of the sofa anyway.

Hi waller. Nah, feminist is almost a term of endearment nowadays. The out and out eejits seem to prefer "post-menopausal feminazi" or somesuch.

Mind you I don't know what word you added to feminazi. Was it beatch or the word which even sns cannot get away with mis-spellin on g-pot?

[observer]

Fon non-native speakers, the phrase "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen," could be misunderstood (since GP is accessed by different readers and from different countries) so this could be put into a a statement that would in effect say the same thing. Also TH's observation about hitting the back button could be put in as well. I would say to keep it simple and in clear English with little verbiage.

Observer - over to you.

Ok, folks, there are many points I would like to address, but right now, time is a bit tight... But I will share my ideas as concisely as I can.


Kintaro,

I think the issue is more than about statistics. The fact of the matter is that, until the content of the discussion is completely watered down to the point of it no longer being a discussion, there is bound to be someone who strongly objects to views expressed. So I think we need to prepare ourselves for that possibility.


Blues,

Again, I think we need to be careful. The issue should be determined by careful considerations of all the consequences. We can do a vote, but it may not necessarily reflect the right position to take; Basically, I want to have a rule that the court of law would find reasonable.


stillnosheep,

I'd prefer that you not mention the handle name of the poster in question, as I would like to make this as much about general rules and ideas - this discussion should not be personal in any way. My point is, we need to ask ourselves: how can we achieve a reasonable balance so that we keep the majority from silencing the minority and also keep the minority with very strong views from muffling the views of the majority and/or attacking site administrators (legal means or otherwise)? As I said several times, my proposal is for a protective/defensive purpose.



Waller,

I do see your point and I could discuss further on this elsewhere at a later time (in fact, there is quite a bit I want to say as well, but I chose to impose voluntary moratorium on myself on that side of the issue - now is probably not the right time for me to take up that side of the issue), but as stillnosheep pointed out, I think the social desirability of the thread in question can be put aside for now　- On this thread, I prefer to focus on the legal side of the issue.



Now, finally, back to your point Richard,

Yes, I think the rule should state everything in plain English so anyone (with basic understanding of English) can understand it. Now, I still think it should be precise enough to hold its own in a court of law. So here is a revised version:

Under General Rules:

"You don't like something, but Administrators say it is within the rule. Now what?"

- Learn to accept that some views in this world will be different from yours, so be responsible to yourself and others.

- If you are disturbed by the content of Gaijinpot, protect yourself by staying away from such content. Use the back button and exit/quit buttons on your web browser. Remember, you are ultimately responsible for your own well-being.



One additional thought:

Folks, we don't own this site... It is the GP admins that own this site... I feel we must be mature enough to support and protect the site admins for the continued existence of this site and open discussion...

[kintarou]

Kintaro:
Maybe it's the heat of the day or maybe my brain is fogged or whatever, but I really don't get the point of your post. So are you saying that the statement is incorrect or should be rephrased or dropped or what?

Richard, my opinion is that based on the figures it is not feasible to require posters to read or sign a contract. on the other hand, i suspect GP thinks it has a responsibility to ensure guidelines or standards are met.

personally, i thought the thread contained pictures of asian beauties. the kind of beauties i like. when i'm questioned by western chicks about liking beautiful asian girls i usually reply - all women have minds and personalities but not all of them are beautiful.

but you're right about my posts, i think we need a contract stipulating kintarou is not to write any posts when he's in the middle of writing his essays.

[trip_hop]

Although the preponderance of images of half-naked women had little to do with jobs or careers in Japan, and could well be construed as "out of place" on this forum; the legalese that observer is proposing is establishing a dangerous precedent.

Is the goal really to be protected in a court of law?
Should ALL web sites in future carry the same or a similar warning?

Do you just want a bland, colourless, politically correct discussion?
Although the standard of moderating here is not very consistent, with some rather off-taste threads allowed to continue for too long, and others being deleted for no apparent reason, there is moderation. There is also a "report" button to alert the moderator to questionable content.

TVs, newspapers, radio, telephones, and books are open to all, and the very fact of switching one on or opening one could be construed as being aware what to expect, a type of informed consent. In one of my surgery books, you will find possibly disturbing images of traumatised bodies; on late night television, you will hear adult language and other profanities. People quickly learn not to choose and open them or switch them on.

It is called real life and learning from experience.

[observer]

based on the figures it is not feasible to require posters to read or sign a contract. on the other hand, i suspect GP thinks it has a responsibility to ensure guidelines or standards are met.

I am not saying that GP admins should send out a letter to each poster for their signatures on the waiver... I am simply advocating the expansion of existing rules to cover situations as mentioned in my earlier posts. It is just a matter of adding some lines to the existing rules, and it will cost nothing to admins or any posters.

Yes, I know it will be impossible for admins to verify whether each poster has actually read the rules or not; but the admins can make the point quite clear, with announcements like "Important: Read this before you view or post!"

[observer]

TH, I think we are viewing the situation more or less from the same angle. I guess we are just different in how the community should prepare for events like this in the future.

Although the preponderance of images of half-naked women had little to do with jobs or careers in Japan, and could well be construed as "out of place" on this forum;.

Agreed. In fact, I actually praise the decision of GP admins to pull the contentious thread. It was simply causing too much controversy.

As I mentioned earlier (and also voiced by other posters), my issue is not really with the thread itself but with the manner in which the removal/obliteration of the thread was demanded.

the legalese that observer is proposing is establishing a dangerous precedent.

As I am simply advocating the expansion of existing rules, I do not believe my proposal is so radical. Again, I acknowledge it all depends on perspective.

Is the goal really to be protected in a court of law?

To my regret, from my point of view, the answer would be Yes to a great extent. In the worst possible scenario, it is conceivable - at least in North America - that litigations (filed by laywers hired by the aggrieved party) could be launched at the media source for supposedly fostering an environment that leads to the suffering of the aggrieved party without informing the party of what they are getting into in advance.

It is also possible that laywers may try to hold individual posters accountable for posting supposedly damaging messages for the same reason.

Btw, realistically, I don't think laywers would be successful in such a situation (first, it would be pretty hard to even just file charges against a company in Japan from North America), and I doubt this kind of situation would happen again any time soon, but why take a chance when simply adding a few lines to the existing rules can provide further protection?

Perhaps I am being too paranoid here. Can someone else from North America tell me if I am too paranoid? I certainly would not mind being corrected on this one.

Should ALL web sites in future carry the same or a similar warning?

Common sense dictates that the answer should be no, but I am afraid we may already be gradually heading in that direction in North America...

Do you just want a bland, colourless, politically correct discussion?

No, I don't, and I believe most posters here don't want it either. My intention is precisely to foster free exchange of ideas and give a level playing field to opposing views, even if they are of the "non-politically correct" variety.

It is called real life and learning from experience.

I hear you, TH, I hear you...


I welcome feedback from other posters as well, even the dissenting ones. Any other views on this?

[Morning Star]

Affirmation of Emotional Fitness To Take Part in Open Discussion:

Before making any posts, I believe all posters must agree to the following conditions:
1. "All posters shall agree to
2. "Thus, all posters must affirm tha
3. "All posters shall indemnify the
4. "All posters shall agree to regarding the point #3 above."

Hey, where do I sign up for the emotional fitness test? Before I make any more posts I want to make sure that I can handle the rigorous emotions that might come out as a result of online discussion.

This weekend I finally got a chance to see, "The Cider House Rules." Before it was recommended to me by a friend, I patently refused to watch it based on the Times reviewing it as A Triumph of the Human Spirit -I still won't watch Mr Hollands Opus based on that kind of sterling endorsement.
Arguably, the entire theme of the movie is summed up when Tobie Macguire takes the rules off the wall and burns them, essentially saying, "Fack rules, we make our own rules, despite whatever the man has to say about it." It was as true in the microcosm of the Cider House as it was for the orphanage as it is for Gaijin Pot.

Observer - I read your rules, but I wasn't able to engage the part of my brain that comprehends what I read. It got stuck in my spam filter before I even processed it.

[trip_hop]

Observer - this is not North America, though you seem obsessed with the litigatious behaviour from that part of the world. This is an anonymous, casual forum on the internet, loosely based in Japan, with respondents from all over the world.

In many other parts of the world, people make decisions themselves and take responsibility for their own actions, without the need to sue everyman, everywoman and their dog for consequences that they do not like.

I personally think you are blowing this one occurrence up from a molehill into a mountain.

However, GP Admin must also take some responsibility for development of the thread in question, by allowing the initial posting of such pictures and for the expansion of forum topics to include "sex in Japan", which they should have anticipated would bring in such material; but they will tell you they were just responding to the wishes of some members.

I leave you with this well-known saying:
"You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time."

[observer]

In many other parts of the world, people make decisions themselves and take responsibility for their own actions, without the need to sue everyman, everywoman and their dog for consequences that they do not like.

Indeed. Good point.

I read your rules, but I wasn't able to engage the part of my brain that comprehends what I read. It got stuck in my spam filter before I even processed it.

Yet another amazing feat by GrandMasterPot.
My proposed rule is subconsciously and subliminally applied inside his brain.
Do you feel that extra protection inside your head?

Hey, where do I sign up for the emotional fitness test?
Before I make any more posts I want to make sure that I can handle the rigorous emotions that might come out as a result of online discussion.

*合格*


Folks, develop your own mental filters, please!!

[wolfgang_flur]

Affirmation of Emotional Fitness To Take Part in Open Discussion:

2. "Thus, all posters must affirm that they are intellectually and emotionally fit to tolerate the potential existence of opposing views when they take part in the forum discussions."

3. "All posters shall indemnify the site administrators against any psychological sufferings caused by either intentional or accidental viewing of opposing opinions that are nevertheless deemed to be within the rules of GP by the site administrators."

I DO come on here to check my pms from time to time. Thanks to Waller and Stillnosheep for for sticking up for me with the schoolyard bullies. As well as those who have sent me many pms showing support for the sheer level of harshness shown towards me by a few "certain individuals"
Why you asked to "please leave the name of the poster in question out of this" is lost on me. You may attempt to say it was to protect identity, but that's ridiculous. Everyone knows it's me. USE my name. In your above post you basically outlined what you think I am. I've also been called many things in another thread (and read about anorexics just being stupid people who get too skinny- NOT it being an actual illness).
The part I REALLY like about you describing me is the "intellectually fit" part. That being "Are you SMART enough to post Wolfgang?"
Perhaps it should read; "Are you smart enough not to disagree with me?"
You know, I have read things on this forum about the varying smells of women's genitalia BY RACE. Something I find kinda ...dumb. Yet My intellect for responding to a question with a valid answer that YOU DIDNT LIKE is challenged as intellectually unfit.
I was honest and spoke my mind in a thread- During this thread, one poster asked me point blank:
WHY DO THESE THINGS BOTHER YOU A LOT?

This poster then deleted the question. I was DIRECTLY and honestly answering a question.
Then the ____ hit the fan. Basically it was ASSUMED that I was trying to lay a GUILT trip on everyone using past experiences of witnessing such images. I never ever said that people should not enjoy the pics. That people should feel like shite for looking at them. Then as usual on GP the pics became worse, and worse...and as a half japanese woman, yeah it started to bug me. It bugged others as well. However the poster asked ME in particular (and Ill repreat this because it seems no matter how many times I post it Bullies cant read it) "WHY DO THESE THINGS BOTHER YOU A LOT?"
I shared some hard experiences. Then I was accused of things like; "I think I'm BETTER AND MORE SPECIAL than other people...."
and then I was asked what I thought of gunfire in 'Nam or some goddamm thing.
Being accused of ____ that I never even thought while writing my answer to this one question (think what you like, but mass guilt was not a part of it) or example the response one poster who shalt remain nameless...thinking MY friends death is MORE SPECIAL than YOUR friends DEATH! :B.. (how absolutely absurd can things possibly get? ANd they call ME immature)
And now, because I chose to answer a question honestly, I get a WHOLE FRICKIN THREAD dedicated very obviously to isolating me filled to the brim with with slander in the opening posts. (actually Im MORE special I get two posts with slander towards me).
It makes me glance up and look at that
"No sledging individuals"
thing right at the top there.
The excuse for this thread is to "Protect Administrators..blahblahblah.." Me and Mr Ue had various pms you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. But gawd! Protecting the Admins from 50kilo Wolfgang <<...yeah better put that to a vote. Wait..not the Admins...OTHER POSTERS..the COMMUNITY from 50kilo Wolfgang. (I have been known to viciously beat roaches to death).
But wait! It gets MORE absurd. I said that I would LEAVE D:!! GO! That means like...not really post....not read with my intellectually and emotionally unfit head!
Yet STILL, even after that you must take it further and create an entire thread on this.
What I HAVE done is taken copies of all threads (including this gem :B) in questions and sent them to The Canadian Board of Mental Health (my psychiatrist sits on the board) and to my friend at the Embassy who will give q copy to the Tokyo Medical Surgical Clinic who has a board of residing englisg speaking psychiatrists.
Before your paranoid little legal thinking mind gets into a knot, this is for no other purpose than to HELP me.
Your De-humanizing me will actually end up AIDING me and people like me. Faboo isnt it? These respective boards moniter how people with either chronic mental illnesses, or short term, on medication seeking psychiatric treatment are viewed and treated by all facets of society. It helps them to create awareness so people actually stop dehumanizing us.
It will also help me personally. For a board of professionals will actually give me correct information on how everything went down, was I actually THAT much of a monster? Was the treatment I recieved appropriate? Since you wouldnt for one minute believe that I was actually NOT trying to attack you- or guilt trip you- or...think my deaths are more painful to watch than Napalm...they will beable to let meknow if it WAS in fact just biased, vicious attacks. Based on the overwhelming amount of supportive pms I recieved saying that they thought I was being bullied beyond all reason, I think Im gonna feel a whole lot better about this.

That being said, I really..*REALLY* want to thank everybody who pmed me to tell me the above, or just even to say a few nice words. I read this thread aimed at me and started to cry, thinking that people like me deserved to live in isolation. But the messages helped me so much. And I'll try my best never to let a bunch of arrogant egoists silence me.

Now I will go onto my balcony and perch like a bird making crow noises because I just CANNOT ruin the crazy image these people have of me in their minds o_0~!

[eku]

2. "Thus, all posters must affirm that they are intellectually and emotionally fit to tolerate the potential existence of opposing views when they take part in the forum discussions."

observer ... i presume this is a self-inflicted rule to stop yourself from taking offence when someone disagrees with you ..right? desyoooooooooooooou???

if not then you are a hypocritical snot bag etc etc.... what is good for the goose is just as good for the gander..

personally i missed like 98% of the whole hoohah.... so i can't really comment... although i can pretty much guess what went down...

make sure that the rules you are making can be comfortably kept by yourself before you try to enforce them on others.

[observer]

observer ... i presume this is a self-inflicted rule to stop yourself from taking offence when someone disagrees with you ..right? desyoooooooooooooou???

make sure that the rules you are making can be comfortably kept by yourself before you try to enforce them on others.

Good point. The phrase "all posters" certainly applies to me as well. And it applies to everyone, really.

So of course, I should make more effort to keep calm and collected myself as well. Thank you for your reminder. If I am not, just make a post like, "Folks, let's all calm down".
That will serve as a reminder.

As for enforcement of the rules, well, I don't have any control on that one. It is entirely up to the site admins. If they don't like it, they don't have to implement it.

It has been an enlightening discussion, hasn't it folks?
But if anyone feels uncomfortable with the existence of this thread, you are more than welcome to suggest to the site admins that this thread be deleted. It is up to you...

And that will be my last word on this thread...

[eku]

ps i think observer is displaying way more emotional reaction to this issue than wolfie...
count the posts wolfie vs observer. who is more offended???

btw not mentioning the poster in question is a tad nudge nudge wink wink wink look at the name i skritched into the condensation on the rear window of your car but dont you dare say it aloud....
i would have thought we were beyond whispering behind our hands and talking out of the corner of our mouths.

nuff said... if observer et al can disagree with wolfie, then wolfie has every right to disagree too... no need to call people names and judge their emotional and psychiatric well-being....

[limitsnot]

Damn. What did I miss? Good to see you didn't leave, Wolves, and that you're not defenseless. I guess everyone didn't want to gang up on your unfit mind and restrict you to posting in the kiddy forums.

[kurogane]

Hell, I'm emotionally stunted, maturatively retarded, developmentally arrested, and guess what,

I'M THE KING OF GAIJINPOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where does that leave all you guyzes and goilzes?

Hee Hee Hee


PS NO MORE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPS Will someone PM me with a succinct synopsis of the whole brouhaha? I fall in luuv, go away for a while, and even my Googlie Schmooglie Frenzu are having at each other. Whatever happened to respect for The Aged?

PPSPSPS This whole suggestion has just been downgraded from Uneccesary (as analysed succinctly by Trip Hop), to Peurile Bullying (as identified by StillNoSheep).
I am with him. Now, who wants to come out and take on the world's sexiest brake handle cover, and his nefariously articulate partner in arms?

[Tyler]

PS NO MORE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPS Will someone PM me with a succinct synopsis of the whole brouhaha? I fall in luuv, go away for a while, and even my Googlie Schmooglie Frenzu are having at each other. Whatever happened to respect for The Aged?

PPSPSPS This whole suggestion has just been downgraded from Uneccesary (as analysed succinctly by Trip Hop), to Peurile Bullying (as identified by StillNoSheep).
I am with him. Now, who wants to come out and take on the world's sexiest brake handle cover, and his nefariously articulate partner in arms?

I knew this whole thread stank...

Kurogane old chap (or anyone else for that matter), you wouldn't be able to PM me a summary of the shenanigans would you?

[Tyler]

I DO come on here to check my pms from time to time.

Do me a favour wolfie, I can't PM you because you have too many messages in your inbox (you need to delete some...)

[kurogane]

Do me a favour wolfie, I can't PM you because you have too many messages in your inbox (you need to delete some...)

Wolfgang!! What he said.

Tyler,
Umm, Wolfgang and Others have pm-ed regarding it, and if she says it's okay, I'd be glad to forward it to you.
Let's get her permission first, eh?

Anyways, let's all kiss and make up.

[wolfgang_flur]

Do me a favour wolfie, I can't PM you because you have too many messages in your inbox (you need to delete some...)

ohhh D:..the clutter! Sorry I was too busy taking my urine sample so they can test my fitness to post here.

Sure Ill clean up and delete some!

Edit: k theres room now :B