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    Quote Originally Posted by earsay
    I have also made hundreds of couples very happy.
    I do this gig, but I dont believe "I" am making couples happy.

    I think this is something that celebrants need to be careful of. not to get too wrapped up in it.

    Sorry, dont mean to be having a go. I know what you were saying.

    Its just another role that needs playing in a country where thats what its all about.

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    the campaign for the cause of righteousness has begun in earnest i see from my email inbox today. Bravo! I am not a currently, or even recently active pastor for TBN, but i would like to contribute to the cause.

    I hope those who are more up to date will contribute.

    Please tell me where to send in my donation to the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNCHtoTHEguts
    I do this gig, but I dont believe "I" am making couples happy.

    I think this is something that celebrants need to be careful of. not to get too wrapped up in it.

    Sorry, dont mean to be having a go. I know what you were saying.

    Its just another role that needs playing in a country where thats what its all about.
    Then maybe you're not doing a good enough job. Speak for yourself man.

    I made my assessment by having hundreds of couples come up after the wedding smiling, thanking me and shaking my hand, some couples hugging me, some moved to tears. I think that's fair to say that I am making couples happy and at the end of the day, it's their special day. If they are happy then that is all that matters, not how I feel and especially not what you think.

    So you are not feeling the happy vibe from couples? Ever thought what you might be doing wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by earsay

    ... I think that's fair to say that I am making couples happy and at the end of the day, it's their special day. If they are happy then that is all that matters, not how I feel...
    My head hurts!

    Chill dude. it's all good. just trying to say I've met a few guys who got into the role a bit too much...

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    I too have given alot of thought in the past to doing wedding gigs, but one thing that concerns me is...

    ...Visa. For example, I have the very typical Instructor's Visa (which most English teachers have). Could I legally do Wedding Minister work on the side part time on the weekends as well?

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    You sure can do weddings however you just need to go to your nearest immigration office to get permission. I've never heard of a guy getting knocked back so you should be good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earsay
    You sure can do weddings however you just need to go to your nearest immigration office to get permission. I've never heard of a guy getting knocked back so you should be good to go.
    Does the immigration office notify your current company you work for that you want permission to do different work on the side? Or do they need "permission" from your current company/sponsor? The reason I ask is because my current company has one of those rediculous/typical "you can only work for our company" clauses in my work contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingugidora5000
    Does the immigration office notify your current company you work for that you want permission to do different work on the side? Or do they need "permission" from your current company/sponsor? The reason I ask is because my current company has one of those rediculous/typical "you can only work for our company" clauses in my work contract.

    You need permission from immigration to do jobs outside your visa status. Having immigration ask your employer if you can work or not is like the tail wagging the dog. Immigration doesnt need employers permission as they have final say on if you can do that particular job. Immigration may say no to you doing weddings as its not a job in the same job category. Depends on how nitpicky they want to be.

    Saying you are able to do only one job on your visa is a crock of sh-it and legally unenforceable.

    What employers worry about is you pirating students from them or being so tired from your second or third job that it impacts your performance on your main job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KansaiBen
    You need permission from immigration to do jobs outside your visa status. Having immigration ask your employer if you can work or not is like the tail wagging the dog. Immigration doesnt need employers permission as they have final say on if you can do that particular job. Immigration may say no to you doing weddings as its not a job in the same job category. Depends on how nitpicky they want to be.

    Saying you are able to do only one job on your visa is a crock of sh-it and legally unenforceable.

    What employers worry about is you pirating students from them or being so tired from your second or third job that it impacts your performance on your main job.
    Thanks for the advice. I figured that clause most companies put in (saying they'll terminate you if you work for anyone else besides them part time) was mostly like shady, but I'm a stickler for doing research and doing things the right way (I also have been over here as long as most on this board have, so I'm still learning). It's something I would be foolish not to look into sometime, because I hear it's easy money and the demand for Western Wedding Ministers is always high. But I worry a little about my local immigration office giving me permission to do it (go check out my thread in the "Visas" forums to see what I mean)...they were so incompetitent and nearly screwed up a routine renewal of my Visa(they lost stuff, didn't even start processing it until or 2 weeks before expiration date, [even though I had started my application nearly 2 months in advance], and yet lost more documents, and then they...eh, read the thread for the full lowdown), so god knows what type of response/reaction I will get from that incompetent office (I may hold off until next year when I move and can deal with a more competent office).
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    Personally I would not worry too much about an employer trying to fire you. Labor laws make it extremely difficult for employers here to fire you without going through a lot of hassle.

    Firstly they need to prove that you actually cost the employer money or affected their business in some way. Holding down a second job is not a valid reason for firing you. Then they need you to sign a form saying you agree to the dismissal (and not quitting of your own volition). To fire you outright they have to pay you one months severance and then you walk out the door. Failing that they must give you a months notice or you give notice to quit.

    http://www.efl-law.com/Japan.php#dismissal


    They can not summarily dismiss you and not pay your wages. Having secondary employers in Japan is not illegal and as long as you teach your classes they can NOT control or dictate what you do in your own time and outside the office.
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    Anyone could become a priest in Japan,My old friend kansaiPaulH has been ripping people off for years with that gig
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    Part-time wedding minister position available on weekends and holidays, applicants with car preferred but not necessary, living in Gifu prefecture or North Aichi a plus. Applicants must be able to correctly pronounce Japanese Romaji, ability to read or speak Japanese well is not a requirement but is a plus. Applicants who can read romaji correctly are invited to send CV, photo and contact info to minatobridal@yahoo.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus_The_stuntbum View Post
    Hi everyone

    could any one tell me how and what I need to do to become a wedding minister here in Tokyo and kanagawa.
    I already have a job here but im interested in become a wedding minister during the weekend.

    Does anyone know how I can do this?
    Where do I go to look?
    Or any professional companies that deal with this?
    Im White and from the UK

    Thank you
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In June this column looked at the booming demand for foreign celebrants and preachers at Christian weddings. But a new law will crack down on foreigners playing preachers. The new law is clear: "Anyone engaging in any activity involving the management of business or involving remuneration other than that permitted by his status of residence without obtaining permission may be subject to punishment." That punishment could be a \300,000 fine and/or three years in prison and expulsion from Japan. Up to now, those expelled could return to Japan in one year. The new law makes it five.
    The problem comes when a foreigner engages in any work for pay that is not included in his visa provisions. It means that if the word shukyo (religious mission) is not printed on your alien registration card you cannot conduct a religious, sacred activity such as officiating at Christian weddings. They are 100% religious sacraments - not cultural - with two hymns, a sermon, two prayers, 15 Bible verses, a solemn proclamation and a benediction. What they must do is leave Japan, go on to an approved Bible school or Christian college, and come back as a bona fide missionary. Another possible solution is to begin a correspondence course by email or regular mail from an accredited seminary. 

What is the difference between a minister, a preacher and a missionary? 
A minister is an ordained, bona fide professional person of the Christian church, qualified to administrate a church and officiate at weddings, funerals, baptisms and communion.
    Police and immigration officials will be checking on chapels and churches periodically.

    It is illegal to officiate at a Christian wedding without a proper visa !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnosis Essene View Post
    What is the difference between a minister, a preacher and a missionary?
    A minister is an ordained, bona fide professional person of the Christian church, qualified to administrate a church and officiate at weddings, funerals, baptisms and communion.
    Police and immigration officials will be checking on chapels and churches periodically.

    It is illegal to officiate at a Christian wedding without a proper visa !
    A person on a missionary visa technically can not do weddings as missionary visa is not a work visa.

    the only legal visas are spouse visa, and Permanent resident status holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Jobs View Post
    Anyone could become a priest in Japan,My old friend kansaiPaulH has been ripping people off for years with that gig
    at least my visa status is legal/above board.

    PS Im not a priest, Im a wedding celebrant. Big difference.

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    If your interested in working for free or the possibility of getting alot of work,cause everyone is quitting you might want to call the office at: 050 5528 7200

    Theres an excellent chance you could luck out and they begin to pay there staff again.There venues are dropping like flies,but you never know,Sometimes its the best time to get your foot in the door? Our Heavenly Father I ask you to help this faltering company and bless all those willing to come and contribute their skills.In the Lords name. AMEN
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder View Post
    Hello there to all former TBNer's ,

    I would like to know if anyone has filed a lawsuit to try to collect their wages from TBN. I consulted a lawyer and need a few
    other people to form a class action suit . If you wish to reach me please e-sjfmmpax@ezweb.ne.jp
    I know quite a few Seikatais that didn't get paid totalling around$6000. The problem is that they wear getting screwed over like a badge of honor and would rather not create any 'meiwaku' with a lawsuit.
    An exciting meal has been ruined by the presense of this... liquid filth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisElliot2000 View Post
    I know quite a few Seikatais that didn't get paid totalling around$6000. The problem is that they wear getting screwed over like a badge of honor and would rather not create any 'meiwaku' with a lawsuit.
    Please do them a favor and have them contact me or a lawyer and try to get some of the money back that they are
    owed before another foreigner gets screwed with...

    There is power in numbers and we have to try to see that justice is served so the President does not get away with his evil deeds.

    Sincerely,

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    Can those who are wedding conductors in Japan tell us how the industry is doing? I would think with the economy the way it is there would be a down turn in expensive chapel weddings.

    I would think the wedding industry in Okinawa and Guam would be suffering more than the industry on the mainland of Japan.

    I am not interested in becoming a wedding conductor but would like to hear what is happening with the wedding industry. Also, what is the pay scale spectrum like? What is the low end of the pay spectrum for each wedding done and what is the high end for the wedding conductor?

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    Wink Wedding Minister employment offices

    Quote Originally Posted by thickmick View Post
    Well ,I see you are playing the rare specimen card .
    Many places:

    Murakami - Tokyo 03-3495-2034 Mr. Kazuko

    Guest House - Tokyo, Shibuya 03-5428-6495 Mr. Yamamoto

    BIA - Tokyo 03-5418-4501 and many ... more !

    Most of the places are closed on Tuesdays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumoWrestler View Post
    Can those who are wedding conductors in Japan tell us how the industry is doing? I would think with the economy the way it is there would be a down turn in expensive chapel weddings.

    I would think the wedding industry in Okinawa and Guam would be suffering more than the industry on the mainland of Japan.

    I am not interested in becoming a wedding conductor but would like to hear what is happening with the wedding industry. Also, what is the pay scale spectrum like? What is the low end of the pay spectrum for each wedding done and what is the high end for the wedding conductor?

    Thanks, Sumo Wrestler

    P.S. My apology to those who sent me PMs a couple of years ago. I lost track of this forum and I finally returned
    after 2 and 1/2 years. Sorry !!! I also just found this post and it answers half of my question. I hope it shows up:
    http://www.gaijinpot.com/bb/showthread.php@3ft@3d23100
    Yen 10,000 max per wedding.
    Wedding stand-by time min 1 hour or 1 1/2 hours.
    Business is declining rapidly.
    Many Gaijins are getting caught due to new law and many are exposed in Magazines.

    Not worth doing it !

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    My company? Pay ranges from 18,000 for guys who started doing it 5 - 10 years ago to only 8,000 for newbies. There has been a big downturn in the industry but it seemed to bottom out last year and is picking up again. Seems to correlate with how the economy is faring. Civil weddings with a Japanese celebrant have also become popular recently which has meant less weddings for the gaijin conductors.

    Not a good gig for newbies to get into. No way would I do it for 8,000 or even 10,000 yen. However if you're here for the long haul and your company offers payment increases over time if you perform well, then I would consider it.

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    It's bottoming out here in Tokyo. The company I'm with seems to be going down the
    tubes... it used to pay better. However, my wife works at one of the top wedding halls
    in Tokyo and business is good there. So if you can get hooked up with a company
    with contracts for top wedding halls it could be good money. I don't really care
    enough about the job to be bothered going over to another company. The locations
    I get sent to are convenient. I'm not interested in traveling far for a gig anymore.
    It was worth it in the past because the money was good (15000) but not anymore...

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    What about Christian religious groups in the US that do not require their ministers to have any formal schooling whatsoever? And I'm not talking about some fly-by-night cult. I can think of two major Christian religious groups where all you have to do is "get the call" and find a church willing to hire you as a minister and *boom* you are in. It is recommended and even strongly encouraged that you go ahead and attend seminary studies at that point, but many just take a few classes here and there and never complete a degree. So they are right out of luck in Japan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus_The_stuntbum View Post
    Hi everyone

    could any one tell me how and what I need to do to become a wedding minister

    A complete breakdown of your ethical compass, combined with a shameless conscience would be a good start, IHOMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus_The_stuntbum View Post
    Hi everyone

    could any one tell me how and what I need to do to become a wedding minister here in Tokyo and kanagawa.
    I already have a job here but im interested in become a wedding minister during the weekend.

    Does anyone know how I can do this?
    Where do I go to look?
    Or any professional companies that deal with this?
    Im White and from the UK

    Thank you
    James

    In June this column looked at the booming demand for foreign celebrants and preachers at Christian weddings. But a new law will crack down on foreigners playing preachers, thanks in part to Rev. Kenny Joseph, President of the Japan Association of Preachers and Ministers (JAPAM). The new law is clear: "Anyone engaging in any activity involving the management of business or involving remuneration other than that permitted by his status of residence without obtaining permission may be subject to punishment." That punishment could be a \300,000 fine and/or three years in prison and expulsion from Japan. Up to now, those expelled could return to Japan in one year. The new law makes it five.
    The problem comes when a foreigner engages in any work for pay that is not included in his visa provisions. It means that if the word shukyo (religious mission) is not printed on your alien registration card you cannot conduct a religious, sacred activity such as officiating at Christian weddings. They are 100% religious sacraments - not cultural - with two hymns, a sermon, two prayers, 15 Bible verses, a solemn proclamation and a benediction. What they must do is leave Japan, go on to an approved Bible school or Christian college, and come back as a bona fide missionary. Another possible solution is to begin a correspondence course by email or regular mail from an accredited seminary like Trinity Seminary in Newburg, Indiana. 

What is the difference between a minister, a preacher and a missionary? 
A minister is an ordained, bona fide professional person of the Christian church, qualified to administrate a church and officiate at weddings, funerals, baptisms and communion.
    Police and immigration officials will be checking on chapels and churches periodically.


    Rev. Kenny Joseph:
    It is illegal to officiate at a Christian wedding without a proper visa !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingugidora5000 View Post
    Does the immigration office notify your current company you work for that you want permission to do different work on the side? Or do they need "permission" from your current company/sponsor? The reason I ask is because my current company has one of those rediculous/typical "you can only work for our company" clauses in my work contract.


    For Foreigners in Japan:
    
A new law will crack down on foreigners playing preachers, thanks in part to Rev. Kenny Joseph, President of the Japan Association of Preachers and Ministers (JAPAM). The new law is clear: "Anyone engaging in any activity involving the management of business or involving remuneration other than that permitted by his status of residence without obtaining permission may be subject to punishment." That punishment could be a \300,000 fine and/or three years in prison and expulsion from Japan. Up to now, those expelled could return to Japan in one year. The new law makes it five.
    The problem comes when a foreigner engages in any work for pay that is not included in his visa provisions. It means that if the word shukyo (religious mission) is not printed on your alien registration card you cannot conduct a religious, sacred activity such as officiating at Christian weddings. They are 100% religious sacraments - not cultural - with two hymns, a sermon, two prayers, 15 Bible verses, a solemn proclamation and a benediction. What they must do is leave Japan, go on to an approved Bible school or Christian college, and come back as a bona fide missionary. Another possible solution is to begin a correspondence course by email or regular mail from an accredited seminary like Trinity Seminary in Newburg, Indiana. 

What is the difference between a minister, a preacher and a missionary? 
A minister is an ordained, bona fide professional person of the Christian church, qualified to administrate a church and officiate at weddings, funerals, baptisms and communion.
    Police and immigration officials will be checking on chapels and churches periodically.


    Rev. Kenny Joseph:
    It is illegal to officiate at a Christian wedding without a proper visa !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnosis Essene View Post
    Yen 10,000 max per wedding.
    Wedding stand-by time min 1 hour or 1 1/2 hours.
    Business is declining rapidly.
    Many Gaijins are getting caught due to new law and many are exposed in Magazines.

    Not worth doing it !
    Correct:
    TBS and Magazines are hunting down illegal / visa violators and fake Ministers who do not have credentials (seminary courses / min. 6 month courses) or an higher degree.
    Business has gone down, now almost to 5 or 6000 Yen per wedding (1 1/2 hours).
    Always carry your valid ID / work permit and Minister credentials plus
    Wedding-work permit, otherwise if they catch you ... E tutu Finito.
    Tokyo, Chiba, Kawasaki, Yokohama and now Saitama is getting really bad,
    Immigration in plain cloth is checking.
    First they take pictures secretly, then with proof police will make arrests,
    everyone take care --- good luck !

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    Quote Originally Posted by KansaiBen View Post
    Personally I would not worry too much about an employer trying to fire you. Labor laws make it extremely difficult for employers here to fire you without going through a lot of hassle.

    Firstly they need to prove that you actually cost the employer money or affected their business in some way. Holding down a second job is not a valid reason for firing you. Then they need you to sign a form saying you agree to the dismissal (and not quitting of your own volition). To fire you outright they have to pay you one months severance and then you walk out the door. Failing that they must give you a months notice or you give notice to quit.

    http://www.efl-law.com/Japan.php#dismissal


    They can not summarily dismiss you and not pay your wages. Having secondary employers in Japan is not illegal and as long as you teach your classes they can NOT control or dictate what you do in your own time and outside the office.
    Depending on the contract, Yes and No.
    But the Immigration office can, since the visa is only for one company (the sponsor, most of the time).
    Company change requires permission from Immigration as well !

    In the end, the problem is the `labor office` !
    Worse than Immigration.
    They are very strict !
    They do not have humor at all.
    Check it out.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earsay View Post
    My company? Pay ranges from 18,000 for guys who started doing it 5 - 10 years ago to only 8,000 for newbies. There has been a big downturn in the industry but it seemed to bottom out last year and is picking up again. Seems to correlate with how the economy is faring. Civil weddings with a Japanese celebrant have also become popular recently which has meant less weddings for the gaijin conductors.

    Not a good gig for newbies to get into. No way would I do it for 8,000 or even 10,000 yen. However if you're here for the long haul and your company offers payment increases over time if you perform well, then I would consider it.
    I am happy for you, Yen 18,000 ?
    Great !
    I am a Pastor & Chaplain, several degrees in different religions plus my University degree in Theology.
    I only get paid Yen 5 to max 6,000 for 2 hours, and I have to go far-away.
    Before each wedding I do counseling, beside other non-paid services (City support, hospital - prison -
    police and youth counseling).
    Baptism pays only Yen 2,000.
    My visa status: Permanent residency.

    Business is going down, companies suddenly disappear and many never get paid,
    so make sure you get paid on time for your work.

    Guess you Guys are more lucky than me.
    Good luck -- regards and make the weddings nice & professional.
    Last edited by Gnosis Essene; 2010-06-19 at 11:50 PM. Reason: In case you get not paid: Tell the city & labor office, but bring your visa & other documents along with you (required).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnosis Essene View Post
    I only get paid Yen 5 to max 6,000 for 2 hours, and I have to go far-away.
    Before each wedding I do counseling, beside other non-paid services (City support, hospital - prison -
    police and youth counseling).
    Baptism pays only Yen 2,000.
    No wonder you're trying to use scare tactics to eliminate some of the competition. Do you also tithe a portion of your earnings like a good Christian?

    I've got news for you, the ceremonies are definitely cultural, not religious, despite what you may wish. The majority of the participants are about as Christian as Richard Dawkins.

    By the way...this is your page isn't it?
    http://www.paganspace.net/profile/PastorGOPE
    You're a real piece of work. I wonder if the poor souls you wed have any idea who you really are?
    Timing has an awful lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.

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    This is why Japan is sometimes unbearable - the leeches from the bottom of the barrel, realtors and these wedding folks, come here to live.

    Both are equally useless.
    Have you heard? Edin is a frog botherer.

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    Exclamation Will it be worth it ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hijinx View Post
    How can it be a scam in Japan? It ain't legal until you do the dirty deed at city hall anyhow. Hell, you could have chimps barkin' away under a cross, and it wouldn't be a scam.
    It is illegal !
    Ask the Labor Office, they will tell you !

    A Minister friend of mine: The honorable `Rev. Kenny Joseph` can maybe help you.
    Google search ! Plenty of INFO available.

    Remember: Many `fake?` Ministers are being caught, take time to inform your self and do not end-up
    being kicked-out of Japan in disgrace, it is your life.
    Law is law, can`t be helped.

    Kind regards ...
    Last edited by Gnosis Essene; 2010-06-23 at 06:57 PM. Reason: Barukh Habab`shem Adonai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes Spear View Post
    No wonder you're trying to use scare tactics to eliminate some of the competition. Do you also tithe a portion of your earnings like a good Christian?

    I've got news for you, the ceremonies are definitely cultural, not religious, despite what you may wish. The majority of the participants are about as Christian as Richard Dawkins.

    By the way...this is your page isn't it?
    http://www.paganspace.net/profile/PastorGOPE
    You're a real piece of work. I wonder if the poor souls you wed have any idea who you really are?
    Well, maybe you ask Rev. Kenny Joseph and the Labor Office --- they can tell you the difference.
    By the way, I have studied it for 10 years --- not being necessarily Religious but more Spiritual.
    I feel sorry for people like you, no knowledge and always just complaining, visa problems ?
    Good luck -- regards ... and keep on learning more !
    PS: Kick your TV out and learn instead, if possible all Religions -- so that you can compare as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulh View Post
    A couple could get married by a Japanese priest or a Catholic priest in Japan in a cathedral and it stilll would not be legal. A garden wedding with a Judge or a ships captain is not legal.

    the only legal wedding here is at city office, one piece of paper and a hanko.

    The church weddings are real enough but not legally recognised.

    Most priests will not marry a Japanese couple anyway as neither of them are Christians or members of a church. I am.
    In La`kesh
    dear Paul:
    Absolutely correct !
    What matters is an Minister who has credentials and the proper education,
    then the correct visa and heart to this holy ceremony / not State ceremony.
    State and Church : Past - Present, have changed.

    Although I have studied Theology and many other Religions, I do accept all kinds of different
    people from around this Earth for Weddings, Baptism, ... !
    Fake or not is not up to me to judge,
    but at least everyone should study at least 6 years !!!
    More than over 2000 Gods have come down to Earth, I only choose the Creator
    but pay respect to his servants (Gods on Earth).
    This or That Religion = in the End it is all the Same !
    People who make stupid comments should stay out of this,
    so embarrassing to see Non-Professionals discussing this subject.

    By the way, you do have a good reputation. One Minister in Osaka mentioned your name
    and talked good about you. Pls continue in doing what you are doing with your Heart.

    Kind regards.
    Per Aspera Ad Astra
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    Quote Originally Posted by HopefulGaijin View Post
    What about Christian religious groups in the US that do not require their ministers to have any formal schooling whatsoever? And I'm not talking about some fly-by-night cult. I can think of two major Christian religious groups where all you have to do is "get the call" and find a church willing to hire you as a minister and *boom* you are in. It is recommended and even strongly encouraged that you go ahead and attend seminary studies at that point, but many just take a few classes here and there and never complete a degree. So they are right out of luck in Japan?
    USD 180 minimum up to 500 USD per wedding.
    Trinity ministers with seminary degree are getting paid more, so I was told.
    City registry done by Minister in advance.
    Need to have your own car !

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnHarry View Post
    This is why Japan is sometimes unbearable - the leeches from the bottom of the barrel, realtors and these wedding folks, come here to live.

    Both are equally useless.

    This is why Japan is unbearable now - the leeches from the bottom of the barrel, come here to live.
    Escapees from North-South America, Europe, Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnosis Essene View Post
    I am happy for you, Yen 18,000 ?
    Great !
    I am a Pastor & Chaplain, several degrees in different religions plus my University degree in Theology.
    I only get paid Yen 5 to max 6,000 for 2 hours, and I have to go far-away.
    Before each wedding I do counseling, beside other non-paid services (City support, hospital - prison -
    police and youth counseling).
    Baptism pays only Yen 2,000.
    My visa status: Permanent residency.

    Business is going down, companies suddenly disappear and many never get paid,
    so make sure you get paid on time for your work.

    Guess you Guys are more lucky than me.
    Good luck -- regards and make the weddings nice & professional.
    Wow, aren't you an absolute twit? Why would someone be working for such crap money when there is so much money out there to be made? Goes against your solid christian principles I guess.

    Get a clue. Stop being over-concerned with your archaic mythology and get out there and earn some real bucks. You think religion is great? Getting a big wad of cash every month doing this gig is even better.

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    Sorry I cant help you. So sad


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