Flight ban for anti-Bush T-shirt

[OtoriOsaka]

Getting back to the thread in question. I think the bloke who wore this t-shirt is just a pain up the arse and should grow up - he is 55 years old.

He wore the same shirt before and caused similar problems. He is a trouble maker, the sort of knob-jocky who delays your flight.

I don't care if he thinks Bush is the worlds number one terrorist, thats his opinion and he should keep it to himself.

[rubirosa]

Getting back to the thread in question. I think the bloke who wore this t-shirt is just a pain up the arse and should grow up - he is 55 years old.

He wore the same shirt before and caused similar problems. He is a trouble maker, the sort of knob-jocky who delays your flight.

I don't care if he thinks Bush is the worlds number one terrorist, thats his opinion and he should keep it to himself.

Agreed except for keeping his opinion to himself.

I can forgive him the first time but doing it again is not reasonable.

If he wants to protest there are much better places to do it than on an international flight.

[one wheel]

On the topic, I already wrote to qantas and told them I would be cancelling my freq. flier and stop buying anymore tix after I had redeemed my points.

good job that!!

although i have yet to visit Australia, there's one airline which i will now be unlikely to fly on. and i think i'll follow your lead and let them know.

dumbest PR move. why didn't head office just say that it was an unfortunate incident, that the manager over-reacted, and that they would be reviewing policy? by backing the manager up, they've backed themselves into a tight corner and gotten a lot of negative publicity. does John Howard have shares in the company?

[one wheel]

If he wants to protest there are much better places to do it than on an international flight.

that's probably what the bus driver said to Rosa Parks as well.

[one wheel]

He wore the same shirt before and caused similar problems. He is a trouble maker, the sort of knob-jocky who delays your flight.

blame the victim. like a judge who dismisses a rape case because the woman was wearing a short skirt.

rather than blaming him for a delayed flight, you might want to write to the company that creates such an absurd policy. the shirt wasn't calling for an assasination. nor did it contain any obscenities or violate any hate laws. open up any newspaper and you will find political cartoons of a similar nature. and most planes that i've been on still hand out complimentary papers.

[rubirosa]

good job that!!

although i have yet to visit Australia, there's one airline which i will now be unlikely to fly on. and i think i'll follow your lead and let them know.

dumbest PR move. why didn't head office just say that it was an unfortunate incident, that the manager over-reacted, and that they would be reviewing policy? by backing the manager up, they've backed themselves into a tight corner and gotten a lot of negative publicity. does John Howard have shares in the company?

As the old saying goes; any publicity is good publicity. Top brass at the airline know what they are doing.

I still think it was inconsiderate to the other passengers to wear the shirt on the plane after it already caused trouble once, regardless of what the shirt said.

[one wheel]

I still think it was inconsiderate to the other passengers to wear the shirt on the plane after it already caused trouble once, regardless of what the shirt said.

i can see your point, but i don't agree. from the articles i read, it sounds like the man was wearing the shirt from the get go. if he had been stopped at check-in, or at security, it would not have inconvenienced any other passengers other than those he might have been travelling with.

i can readily imagine the sense of outrage at being told to cover up a t-shirt like the one the man was said to be wearing. would Qantas make a right-to-lifer cover up a shirt or a button that said "choose life"? i hope not. and i'm from a pro-choice background.

now if it turns out that the man was yelling and making a nasty scene when he was asked to cover up the offending t-shirt, that would be something different. then i would agree and say that he was being inconsiderate.

however, were he simply to have written a letter to the PR people at Qantas, it probably would have gone nowhere. now they have gotten some bad publicity, and they will be forced to review their policy.

and not "all publicity is good publicity." that's why they have PR departments in charge of damage control. heck, even the US hired expensive big-name image consultants to try and improve their image in the Middle East around the invasion of Iraq. and they were certainly getting a lot of publicity.

[Derukugi]

i can see your point, but i don't agree. from the articles i read, it sounds like the man was wearing the shirt from the get go. if he had been stopped at check-in, or at security, it would not have inconvenienced

Besides the point. Check-in and security is not run by the airline and therefore not under the rules of the airline.

(Which is different for each airline; you can bet your self-important behind that he would be welcome wearing the Bush-insulting T-shirt on Iran Air; however not one saying "Ahmedinejad is a terrorist".)

Better luck next time.

[Hijinxxx]

I wonder what would happen if you covered up the shirt to board, but revealed it mid-flight? Would you be required by law to cover it up again if asked to do so by airline staff? Clearly wearing a T-shirt sitting in your own seat minding you own business cannot possible be jeopardizing the safety of the other passengers. I've read that it's a law that passengers must obey the directions of the airline crew, but surely there's a limit to what they can request a customer to do--where is the line drawn?

[銕銕銕]

that's probably what the bus driver said to Rosa Parks as well.

That's silly.

So is your next post after that.

This is a fat dumb blowhard trying to cause problems for their own sake.

He is not fighting for basic rights in a daily setting, but grandstanding in an inappropriate venue for his own self-indulgent purposes. Politically I agree with him, but if I were on that plane, and he caused even a ripple of trouble, I would Bertuzzi him and throw his fat dingly corked asss from the rear exit as the plane taxied down the tarmac.

I know. In the middle of flame wars, I occasionally like to pretend I am like Cassius Clay, or even the Lord God Jaweh Herself.

But I know I'm not.

[Broken Promise Land]

.....So should she be thrown off a flight for wearing this shirt?

[銕銕銕]

.....So should she be thrown off a flight for wearing this shirt?

I'd request she put a flannel over it, and maybe a paper bag or two on her head.

[Che]

That's silly.
So is your next post after that.
This is a fat dumb blowhard

In about two months you've posted almost 2000 times on this forum.

Guess that would make you kind of an expert on fat dumb blowhards who write silly posts.

[one wheel]

Besides the point. Check-in and security is not run by the airline and therefore not under the rules of the airline.

yes, i am aware of that. however, it is interesting that the manager whom the man talked to said he was surprised that he had made it that far (to the boarding gate) without being stopped, which would suggest that the manager expected that the man in question would have been stopped at either check-in or at security (who else would have stopped him). and from what i gather the manager did work for Qantas and would be likely to know how the airport operates. but as he was not stopped by anybody along the way, it rather suggests that nobody thought that it was that big a deal. which it really shouldn't be. thus, the manager merely succeeded in pointing out how absurd Qantas policy is in regard to this situation.

you can bet your self-important behind that he would be welcome wearing the Bush-insulting T-shirt on Iran Air; however not one saying "Ahmedinejad is a terrorist"

and i would find that equally stupid. so because one airline would presumably act in a stupid manner that means that others should follow suit? i guess Australia should consider imposing sharia law because Iran does...

[銕銕銕]

In about two months you've posted almost 2000 times on this forum.

Guess that would make you kind of an expert on fat dumb blowhards who write silly posts.

Yup.

You've always been one. And I called you that first.

Do I get a prize?

[one wheel]

That's silly.

so please explain what's so different in the analogy. the parallels are pretty clear from what i can see. two people standing up to silly regulations through which they have been humiliated in the past.

the bus company had rules requiring blacks to vacate their seats for whites, and it was at a time when the Jim Crow Laws were in effect, so such segregation was actually backed up by state laws. when Rosa Parks refused to vacate her seat, she knew that she was violating regulations. after all, three other blacks sitting with her got up and moved. she could have gotten up and moved and then later written a letter of complaint to the bus company and her congressman. instead, she decided to stand up to a stupid regulation, and, in making her stance, inconvenienced everyone on the bus that day. perhaps some of those white folk were even late for work...

So is your next post after that.

a bit of hyperbole, perhaps, to draw attention to the point. but while you might think it silly, cases such as that have happened. here in Toronto, no less. a woman was raped. she didn't want to take the case to court because she didn't want to have to relive the experience. the police wanted to prosecute the guy. the judge ended up letting the blighter walk free because the woman had not been wearing underwear underneath of her skirt.

This is a fat dumb blowhard trying to cause problems for their own sake.

He is not fighting for basic rights in a daily setting, but grandstanding in an inappropriate venue for his own self-indulgent purposes.

perhaps. perhaps not. i unfortunately can't afford to lose the price of an airline ticket to make a statement. but perhaps others can.

Politically I agree with him, but if I were on that plane, and he caused even a ripple of trouble, I would Bertuzzi him and throw his fat dingly corked asss from the rear exit as the plane taxied down the tarmac.

he didn't make it on to the plane, and i don't imagine it took all that great amount of time to remove his chek-in bags from the hold. i have been on planes many times when that has happened. it is a common occurrence.

as for myself, i'll take off any peace pins i might have on when going through airports. i just don't want to attract unnecesary attention from anal conservative officials when i'm travelling. although i have been known to juggle in airports while waiting for a flight. usually in some quiet corner away from fellow travellers.

[one wheel]

I wonder what would happen if you covered up the shirt to board, but revealed it mid-flight? Would you be required by law to cover it up again if asked to do so by airline staff? Clearly wearing a T-shirt sitting in your own seat minding you own business cannot possible be jeopardizing the safety of the other passengers.

interesting point. perhaps they should just ban all images and slogans on clothing, and post it on a sign by the check-in counter along with all the other items which are banned on airplanes.

but then even certain colour combinations can make a statement. perhaps requiring everyone to wear grey would be an option...

[Hijinxxx]

interesting point. perhaps they should just ban all images and slogans on clothing, and post it on a sign by the check-in counter along with all the other items which are banned on airplanes.

but then even certain colour combinations can make a statement. perhaps requiring everyone to wear grey would be an option...

Oh, so drab--flying should be a festive occasion.

[Broken Promise Land]

Oh, so drab--flying should be a festive occasion.

You nailed it again Hijinxxx, got to dust off and drag out my drabbest outfit for my next flight to George Bush Intercontinental.

It's drab, so who could take offence to my monk-esque get up?

[Hijinxxx]

Hmmm, I was thinking something more along the lines of: