Hostessing

[Gertie]

I know this probably sounds weird, but I am thinking I want to go hostessing in Tokyo. At the moment I have a great job here, but my visa is for another month after i finish my contract, and I think it would be fun to see another side of Japanese life.

I've had a look through the forums, but was wondering if anyone knows any more about hostessing, I have read it can be scary, but Im pretty scary too, so Im not too worried about that.

Any hints for where to get a job and what to expect would be appriecated

[Derukugi]

Nothing weird about it. After Engrish Teaching, Hostessing is one of major young gaijin occupations.
Why don`t you move to a gaijin house and talk to some girls who do it. Usually, valuable information is on the grapevine.

[Aesthete]

I found this site interesting http://www.bigempire.com/sake/hostess1.html

Just has interviews with a bunch of hostesses...

[kay24]

Are you talking about this murder case?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2311229.stm

I think this can happen to anybody anywhere.

Tell me things you are worried about. I maybe able to answer your questions.

[Glenski]

So, you want a job for just a month? You'll have to give notice the day you are hired, practically.

Some say hostessing is a good way to make lots of money, but I'm not sure if that applies for foreigners or just to the Japanese.

How is your Japanese language ability, anyway? You'll have to use it to some degree, especially for the interview.

Got enough nice clothes to wear in the bar? You'll need them. I also hope you like lots of smoke and drinking and being ogled and talked about (directly and indirectly).

Oh, and if you think English teachers here have a poor reputation, hostesses probably have an even worse one.

Hmm, always wondered just what is a proper visa for a hostess?

[Thebunnyhauntsme]

I know this probably sounds weird, but I am thinking I want to go hostessing in Tokyo. At the moment I have a great job here, but my visa is for another month after i finish my contract, and I think it would be fun to see another side of Japanese life.

I've had a look through the forums, but was wondering if anyone knows any more about hostessing, I have read it can be scary, but Im pretty scary too, so Im not too worried about that.

Any hints for where to get a job and what to expect would be appriecated

I would have thought that Ginza or Roppongi are the places to go. If you walk around the clubs and look at the signs, one of the scouts will probably approach you (provided, of course, that you are at least moderately attractive). Get many J-girls drunk and they will tell you that they have been approached to work there, and the occasional female Nova teacher has the same offer made to them.

I doubt you need too much Japanese, and, if it is only for a month...

Good for you, by the way! It sounds like a fun thing to try and, as you know, a hostess is not the same as a prostitute. If nothing else, you will gain fascinating dinner anecdotes for use in later life.

Your reputation? Ignore Glenski's sanctimonious post. He lives in Hokkaido or some such いなか　sh!thole, and the only hostesses he can afford are black and white and go "mooo!"

[Ewok]

It would be entertainer, which surprisingly is the largest non-family (spouse, dependant) working visa group.

http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan46.html

("Data Section" - breakdown of foreigners by Visa type)

[Thebunnyhauntsme]

It would be entertainer, which surprisingly is the largest non-family (spouse, dependant) working visa group.

http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan46.html

("Data Section" - breakdown of foreigners by Visa type)

Yeah, but if she is only doing it for a month, why not just work (illegally, sure, but who cares) on her current visa? She'll probably get paid cash in hand anyway. It's not like she wants to sign up for the pension plan.

Still - a useful post if she likes the job and wants to stay. Cheers!

[Glenski]

thebunny wrote:

Your reputation? Ignore Glenski's sanctimonious post. He lives in Hokkaido or some such いなか　sh!thole, and the only hostesses he can afford are black and white and go "mooo!"

I didn't give a hoot about her reputation, moron. You totally misread what I wrote about people speaking about you directly and indirectly.

As for encouraging her to work illegally, I think that speaks volumes about your own credibility. What if she decides to stay longer than a month? What if immigration chooses her work period to raid the place? You can bet that "thebunny" won't be around to help you out.

Get the proper visa if you want to do this.

[銕銕銕]

the only hostesses he can afford are black and white and go "mooo!"

Cow-panion Stage??????????

That could be a hot niche!


PS hostessing is not fun. It's work.

If you want fun, go drinking with your friends.

[Gertie]

Thanks for all your help, I have an instructors visa, and have heard that it wouldnt be a probelm to work with this in a bar... I really wouldnt be doing it to make a lot of money, just for the experience. I speak Japanese.. hopefully enough, i have never had any problem with communicating while I have been here, its just the 1 month thing that worries me now, do you think i would be able to get a job planning to only stay a month?

[paulh]

Hmm, always wondered just what is a proper visa for a hostess?

Hostesses are technically entertainers and all the Japayuki bar dancers and strippers came on entertainer visas. Visas for Filipinos for that kind of work now have more stringent requirements but its easier for western (e.g. Russian) and Caucasian women to get work.

You probably wont get much work/money for a month but you will likely need a decent wardrobe (maybe you can borrow dresses?). You get paid according to how much you can get customers to order in drinks and you are expected to generate repeat business i.e. get customers to come back and you have to call them and invite them to the bar. 'Dates' are encouraged with clients and sleeping with them is pretty much up to you. Hostesses are not prostitute but they may use the lure of sex to entice customers to spend money. If you can get them to part with their cash at your club, buying you drinks all the better.


Lucie Blackman's murder was an isolated case and its unlikely to happen again.

[kay24]

technically technically speaking, there is no visa for hostessing. entertainer visa is for dancing. Those Filipino hostesses are technically illigal workers even if they have entertainer visas. Just for your info.

[paulh]

technically technically speaking, there is no visa for hostessing. entertainer visa is for dancing. Those Filipino hostesses are technically illigal workers even if they have entertainer visas. Just for your info.

They are not technically illegal if they technically have employers and their work visas are sponsored (usually by a job broker or the yaks).

[kay24]

Actually they are illigal, and that's why the police can arrest a Fillipino hostess with a valid visa whenever they like. The police don't arrest Westerners because it's Westerners.

You probably wont get much work/money for a month but you will likely need a decent wardrobe (maybe you can borrow dresses?). You get paid according to how much you can get customers to order in drinks and you are expected to generate repeat business i.e. get customers to come back and you have to call them and invite them to the bar. 'Dates' are encouraged with clients and sleeping with them is pretty much up to you. Hostesses are not prostitute but they may use the lure of sex to entice customers to spend money. If you can get them to part with their cash at your club, buying you drinks all the better.

BTW. I fully agree with your commnet.

[paulh]

Actually they are illigal, and that's why the police can arrest a Fillipino hostess with a valid visa whenever they like. The police don't arrest Westerners because it's Westerners.
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Kay,

Im not sure if you are yanking my chain but any foreigner, westerner, Filipino, African, can be arrested even though they have a valid visa. I have PR though never arrested, have been stopped by the police.

Being arrested for being Filipino is a stretch and would probably bring charges of harassment and racism etc

What will they charge them with, for speaking Tagalog outside their work?

[User Name Deleted]

. Visas for Filipinos for that kind of work now have more stringent requirements but its easier for western (e.g. Russian) and Caucasian women to get work.

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So Russians are Westerners are they Paul?

Yet another Paul H gaffe.

[AV]

So Russians are Westerners are they Paul?

Yet another Paul H gaffe.

Paul is just thinking like the Japanese, J.T. White=Western, I heard it before.

[paulh]

So Russians are Westerners are they Paul?

Yet another Paul H gaffe.

Have you ever seen any Asian Russians? Yes western means caucasian for the most part. Just look at all the white faces in Moscow. People from the Caucasus, Belarus and Georgia tend to look like you and me too.

[kay24]

No, I am just being presise with what I say. No picking or anything.

The police wants to control the number of Filippino hostesses because a lot of them are coming to Japan. It's like stopping Mexicans at the border. Police don't give much attention to Western hostesses because they know they do hostessing just for traveling sake. It's an order from the government's high level.

Stopping a foreigner on the street is just recreation of a police man so it's at random.

BTW, The definition of Westerner to me is people of Christian culture, and it doesn't include Russians.

[paulh]

I am just being presise with what I say.

The police wants to control the number of Filippino hostesses because a lot of them are coming to Japan. It's like stopping Mexicans at the border. Police don't give much attention to Western hostesses because they know they do hostessing just for traveling sake.

BTW, The definition of Westerner to me is people of Christian culture, and it doesn't include Russians.

I dont follow this issue closely but its my understanding many are recuited through brokers in the Filipines and then sent to work in bars in Japan. Their passports are taken off them when they arrive and they are treated like virtual slaves. They got into trouble here because many ended up working as prostitutes to pay off the huge loans incurred to bring them here (something like 5 million yen per girl) and they got busted for engaging in the sex trade, not for having illegal visas. The police did not go after the brokers who were engaging in human trafficking for prostitution etc. This issue went all the way to the UN and gave Japan a black eye as japan was said to be no 1 in human trafficking worldwide.

[kay24]

Yes, that's true, but who is suffering is actually Fillipinos because they still want to come to Japan if some of them are ripped off by Yakuzas. I don't know if Fillipino hosstesses appreciate UN or hate UN for taking their jobs off

[paulh]

Yes, that's true, but who is suffering is actually Fillipinos because they still want to come to Japan if some of them are ripped off by Yakuzas. I don't know if Fillipino hosstesses appreciate UN or hate UN for taking their jobs off

They are suffering because of abuse and exploitation but the tone of your posts was that they are illegal immigrants by simply being here, even though they have valid work visas and the legal right to be in Japan.

I think they probably appreciate having their human rights protected and not being treated like cattle and personal property of the brokers and the yakuza who bring them over here.


More here

[kay24]

Well, like I said, there is no visa for hostessing and all the Fillipino hostesses are technically illigal workers, and that's why their brokers are yakuzas. If hostessing was legal, a company like Nova would become the broker.

Human rights or Job... Another good topic to discuss.

[paulh]

Well, like I said, there is no visa for hostessing and all the Fillipino hostesses are technically illigal workers, and that's why their brokers are yakuzas. If hostessing was legal, a company like Nova would become the broker.

Hunman rights or Job... Another good topic to discuss.

Filipinas are hired to be dancers but that doesnt mean they cant pour drinks for customers too, Some work in strip clubs peeling their clothes off on stage. thats not hostessing either but thats what they end up doing as they have a 5 million yen bond they have to pay off to the yakuza and selling their bodies is about the only way they can work here.

Filipinas now need to take a 6 month dancing course in order to qualify for an entertainment visa in Japan.

[kay24]

selling their bodies is about the only way they can work here.

I'm sure you just made some people very angry.

[User Name Deleted]

Have you ever seen any Asian Russians? .

Absolutely, try visiting Buryatia, Sakha and Tuva for a start, all three areas are a part of the Russian Federation. Russia has around 200 ethnic groups.

Yes western means caucasian for the most part. Just look at all the white faces in Moscow. People from the Caucasus, Belarus and Georgia tend to look like you and me too.

Very few Russians see themselves as a part of the west Paul, as they are not, even if some of them may look like us.
Having said that you obviously have never been to Moscow, as there are plenty of people from Central Asia living there.

[paulh]

I'm sure you just made some people very angry.

Deal with it. Trafficking in humans, prostitution and slavery is a very real and serious problem here.

They can not get visas to teach English or work in factories and their familes live in poverty back in the Phillipines. why do you think they end up becoming dancers anyway?

[kay24]

I started to be curious with where your anger comes from.
Japan? Prostitution? Poverty? Globalization?

why do you think they end up becoming dancers anyway?

Because they want Japanese yen so badly.

[銕銕銕]

Absolutely, try visiting Buryatia, Sakha and Tuva for a start, all three areas are a part of the Russian Federation. Russia has around 200 ethnic groups.

Very few Russians see themselves as a part of the west Paul, as they are not, even if some of them may look like us.
Having said that you obviously have never been to Moscow, as there are plenty of people from Central Asia living there.

What is this PerogyPot???????

If I wanna hear abut communist criminals, I'll tune into PotatoNews.com

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!

[User Name Deleted]

What is this PerogyPot???????

If I wanna hear abut communist criminals, I'll tune into PotatoNews.com

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!

No, it's point out to Paul that he has made yet another muppety gaffe time.

As for your comments, well they are offensive, give it a rest.

[gaijin74]

No, it's point out to Paul that he has made yet another muppety gaffe time.

As for your comments, well they are offensive, give it a rest.

OH! RETIRE ALREADY!!!!!

[AV]

BTW, The definition of Westerner to me is people of Christian culture, and it doesn't include Russians.

And Russians are what, buddhists?

[AV]

Very few Russians see themselves as a part of the west Paul, as they are not, even if some of them may look like us.
Having said that you obviously have never been to Moscow, as there are plenty of people from Central Asia living there.

I think most Russians, Belorussians, etc. get offended the first time they are called 'western', but I heard it's less of an issue for those living in Japan.

J.T., mixing up the Central Asians here is a bit like starting a discussion on whether Chinese living in Europe are European...

[kay24]

And Russians are what, buddhists?

Even though Eastern Orthodox is part of Christian religion, I don't include it to the "Western" category. Plus, Russians have been communists.

[AV]

Even though Eastern Orthodox is part of Christian religion, I don't include it to the "Western" category. Plus, Russians have been communists.

So, Greeks are Asians then, along with the Russians?

Communism is not a religion, for the record.

You are contradicting yourself, you just said "The definition of Westerner to me is people of Christian culture"

[steeny]

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[User Name Deleted]

J.T., mixing up the Central Asians here is a bit like starting a discussion on whether Chinese living in Europe are European...

I know what you're saying АВ but he was going on about 'all the white faces in Moscow', hence my comment.

[AV]

I know what you're saying АВ but he was going on about 'all the white faces in Moscow', hence my comment.

Same as "all the white faces in London" in my opinion

[Mr. Solution]

Paul, your hair is longer than I thought it would be.