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[Lovelynice]

So I guess we know where you stand on Iran's nuke issue then....

I guess you're already welll aware that it's a POWER STATION, and that there's nothing wrong with Iran having nuclear powerstations.

Perhaps you intend to LIE YET AGAIN about Iran having a nuclear weapons program?

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[Jacque_S]

No, the mullahs beat me to it by lying about their nuclear weapons program before I could.

[edin日本]

Honey, you have no idea of my life experiences and how many people that I have seen killed. Of my friends that I knew as a teenager, only two are still alive. I don't live that kind of life anymore, I haven't been involved in that sort of thing for years. I don't need to live such a life to point out when you and Jacques are being a hypocrites and liars either.

The truth though you deny it, is that you just can't stand it when someone shows up your defence of liars such as Jacques, and points out that police brutality and the killing of protestors happens in Western nations too. That the forcing or intimidation of unhealthy fashion choices, and really harmful things are done to women and girls in Western nations as part of the corporate media and government's policies too.

It's becoming very obvious to increasing numbers of people that the ideology of the West, the brainwashing by the Zionist-dominated media and the governments of the West, are a sickening wasteful mental disease that has not only been responsible for excusing the mass murders of millions in unnecessary wars that were only started for some rich elitist families profit, but also is responsible for miseries in Western societies and the destruction of families.

There is a difference between Dentsu running a multimillion $$ campaign for Dior or Toyota and a Revolutionary Guard slicing up a woman's face for the crime of wearing makeup in public.

Excesses happen in every country, luckily in the west the press when they get motivated are there to shed light on and correct the mistakes that happen. As for Zionism ruling the world, the idiots that buy into that farce are in need of a reality check.

But I'm just wasting my breath even rebutting you. You are so smart and know so much about everything so, you must be either the secret leader of the Illuminati or, the Grand High Mason or, the Grand Dragon of the KKK or some such. Only a person with those connections would know the truth concerning the WTC and would be the person responsible for ordering the destruction.

[Jacque_S]

Bulemia and anorexia nervosa are probably a hundred times the burqa motivated attack percentage you now seem concerned with. Let's ignore the flaccid attempts at labelling these 'likelihoods' and let's look at the facts. You just told me you didn't care about the muslim womens' plight, so why would you care about an anorexic teen who has allowed poster ads to dominate her sense of self-worth? The coercion is there, albeit in a different way.

If you think ads are the same kind of "coercion" as that placed on women in the muslim world to dress a certain way then I can lump you in the Lonelynuts category. Bulimia and anorexia are mental conditions. The link between these illnesses and "the media" is unclear at best. Once you cut thru the cant of the hysterical, the number of women who die of these conditions is very small...and probably compares favorably with the number of muslim women who are murdered by their own families for such crimes as, say, not wearing a burqa.

[edin日本]

I guess you're already welll aware that it's a POWER STATION, and that there's nothing wrong with Iran having nuclear powerstations.

Perhaps you intend to LIE YET AGAIN about Iran having a nuclear weapons program?

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Then would they be willing to buy Canadian CANDU reactors and allow the Canadian Government to reprocess the waste for them? This offer was made to them before and they refused, would they be willing to accept it now?

[edin日本]

Advertising is by nature coercion applied on a massive scale. Any ad exec will after he hems and haws a shoots out all the BS will tell you that they catch the attention of only 10% of the suckers on the street. Of the remaining 90% it serves mostly as a source of information and fully 40% of the total actually ignore the advertising. And they've tried everything; patriotism, subliminals, binaurals, greed-you name it and it only works on from 1-10% of the people out there.

[Jacque_S]

Please tell me it hasn't come to this...arguing whether advertising which may or may not cause some women to dislike their bodies which may or may not lead to them binging n purging which may nor may not lead some of them to die is just as damaging to western women as a centuries-old practice sanctioned by the religious authorities of the world's most socially and culturally backwards countries is to muslim women. But for shits and giggles, let's keep on with it. It isn't necessarily true that anorexia and bulimia have not existed as long as the burqa. Many medieval mystics or even lay people in Europe fasted in such a way that they'd probably be termed anorexic today. A dangerous association between "not eating" and being "pure" was therefore established. So anorexia and the burqa may actually be coeval. Or anorexia may even predate the burqa. Now as far as I know, contemporary anorexics aren't kept away from food on pain of serious injury or death. In fact, they positively relish (no pun intended) in their self-control and the sense of superiority this provides. muslim communities that feature strict codes of how women should dress, however, often do indeed use the none-too-idle threat of violence to keep their women covered. Undoubtedly there are some who love to be covered. It doesn't detract from the fact that this is an enforced standard, not a subtle "hint" or vague "message" that purity requires covering up. There are plenty of interesting places to take this topic, which is why I posted in the first place, so I'm not sure why you insisted on heading down this dead-end cul-de-sac. I can understand your instinct for fairness, but when this becomes dishonest it really is every bit as objectionable as that which you claim to be decrying.

Edit: And if you're going to insist on pedantry, you should note that I only said I didn't give a shit about those muslim women who'd tell us they think the burqa is a "choice".

[Zebra Skin]

Have not read all this thread but do recall a BBC documentary on this and several young burka wearing girls in the UK actually stated that they preferred wearing the burka (they had not worn it before) because it gave them a certain freedom to be themselves and not to be judged. Sort of like wearing a school uniform. And these girls said they actually liked the unveiling of their selves from it as would a butterfly.

I can understand it. Is a salaryman here in a suit and a punk rock musician on the weekend any different? Social conventions?

[Jacque_S]

You mean, a simplistic point. "Advertising is just as coercive and damaging to western women as a muslim mob is to a muslim one." It's either unfair or dishonest. You came across much better when you were simply being unfair.

[Zebra Skin]

You mean, a simplistic point. "Advertising is just as coercive and damaging to western women as a muslim mob is to a muslim one." It's either unfair or dishonest. You came across much better when you were simply being unfair.

You have never lived among either Western or Muslim women let alone Western Muslim women.

[Jacque_S]

Perhaps that's how we'd like to keep it. The extreme should not be normalized, and certainly not in the name of cheap "cultural understanding" tropes that those who demand understanding and "respect" would step all over if they could. The effects aren't always benign.

[Zebra Skin]

Perhaps that's how we'd like to keep it. The extreme should not be normalized, and certainly not in the name of cheap "cultural understanding" tropes that those who demand understanding and "respect" would step all over if they could. The effects aren't always benign.

What are you talking about? There are extremists in every country/religion and they serve a purpose as in to understand. Black and white equals grey.

You are seriously deluded if you think that one set of views will take over the world IMO and are no different from the extremists you attempt to blame.

[rubirosa]

Even greater woe to a muslim women who doesn't dress the way community standards dictate, not simply "encourage". Only in your racist, deluded world could there be a comparison between throwing acid in the face of uncovered women and posting Calvin Klein ads.

Like your Calvin Kleini ads, do you ?

WASHINGTON The FBI is conducting a preliminary investigation into whether the short-lived Calvin Klein ads with scantily clad young people in provocative poses amounts to child pornography or exploitation.
The probe was opened shortly after the ad campaign began in early July amid a "clamor" from outraged critics who thought the company went too far to sell jeans, Justice Department spokesman Carl Stern said today.
"We started this investigation a long time ago," Stern said, noting that the FBI had questioned the ads early on and alerted the bureau's child exploitation and obscenity section. "Investigating something like this is not unusual. We don't throw things in the wastebasket and ...



Designer Calvin Klein is at it again.

He’s put up a billboard in New York City that’s not only being called racy, but has some people blushing.

CBS News correspondent Bianca Solorzano reported on The Early Show Monday that the new five-story billboard has received some strong reactions from passersby. Some people are taking pictures, while others are simply appalled.

One woman told Solorzano, "It’s an orgy."

The ad shows a topless girl lying on a bare-chested guy while kissing another guy. A third guy is lying on the floor with his jeans unbuttoned.

A teenager said, "I first walked up, and I saw that and I was like, 'That is not very appropriate." '

Dr. Jenn Berman, a family therapist and author of "The A to Z Guide to Raising Happy, Confident Kids" expressed similar thoughts on the show Monday, telling co-anchor Julie Chen, "It is beyond inappropriate and over-the-top. It really borders on child pornography. The girl in the ad looks like she’s about 15. It’s not like television, where you can turn off the station where you don’t like what you’re seeing. This is on the street. You can’t protect your children from it or your own eyes from it."

The ad, Solorzano reported, is a throwback to the Calvin Klein ads of the '80s and '90s, when young models and stars such as Brooke Shields and Kate Moss posed for the company.

In 1995, Calvin Klein even pulled a campaign after a public outcry that some of the company’s ads were child porn.

But advertising critic Barbara Lippert says Calvin Klein is trying to stay relevant to a new generation of teenagers, while competing with the likes of American Apparel and Abercrombie and Fitch.

Lippert said, "It's like, every couple of years, sex disappears for about 15 minutes, and then it comes back with a vengeance."

Solorzano said CBS News didn’t receive a statement from Calvin Klein, but Solorzano reported that the company has said it intended to create a sexy campaign that speaks to a targeted audience.

But Berman said, "Apparently their target demographic is teenage girls who like foursomes. That’s a small demographic, if you ask me."

Berman added this ad has a "detrimental message" and should be removed immediately.

"There is a trend of moving from girl power to girl sexual power. That’s a terrible thing for our daughters," she said. "The idea is that we’re telling our daughters where their value is, is in attracting men. ... Some girls will see this and think, 'Well, I have this fantasy of attracting a lot of men. Maybe I’ll try this out." '

"It’s a fine line between a girl’s sexual fantasy and gang rape," Berman said. "I think this points to something like that. Not to mention it trivializing sex. These images are devoid of love."

Berman said there's no monitoring agency for billboard content, but ads like this one are opening doors to create one.

That sh!t does not belong on a public street.

Give me a goddam burqa any day.

[Jacque_S]

That sh!t does not belong on a public street.

The CHILdren! Who will think of the CHILdren! The same people who say there's nothing wrong with importing the most extreme beliefs from the world's most socially and culturally backwards nations, and questioning this is racist and reactionary, have no problem yelling "PEDO!" the first chance they get.

Give me a goddam burqa any day.

Be careful what you wish for.

[tora916]

Join the EU or be buddies with a state that is imploding, or one that will have nothing to offer the world when it's no.1 resource runs out? I don't think it has anything to do with who hates them less. It's a smart move economically, militarily and culturally.

I agree and every country who hs wanted in the EU hs had to change things, at least until recently. When Western Europe decided they wanted cheap European labor is when the trouble started. like letting in Romania before it was ready to be a part of the community.

[天邪鬼]

Western women are "tortured" every day by the encouragement of the following, and woe to any woman who doesn't make the effort to do these things.

They spend hours fixing their hair.
They're forced to put on tons of makeup.
They wear uncomfortable, unhealthy toe-pinching shoes.
They struggle into restrictive garments like bras and girdles.
They have to wear uncomfortable, runless, hose.
They have to shave off body hair.
They are slaves to fashion (that changes seasonally).
They are ashamed of how they look - naturally.

Edin prefers his women this was, with the burqa theres no telling whats going on underneath, at least with the western way he can clearly see they are behaving.

[tora916]

Edin prefers his women this was, with the burqa theres no telling whats going on underneath, at least with the western way he can clearly see they are behaving.

So you mean that the burka is a kind of Muslim "pinata"? This website does not allow the "N" with a tilde. Linguistically discriminatory.

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[edin日本]

It's obviously your PC. I can type that character on this forum and it works fine.

But, you've got a multilingual Intel Mac and Tora has an old Amiga.

[rubirosa]

The CHILdren! Who will think of the CHILdren! The same people who say there's nothing wrong with importing the most extreme beliefs from the world's most socially and culturally backwards nations, and questioning this is racist and reactionary, have no problem yelling "PEDO!" the first chance they get.



Be careful what you wish for.

So.

Are you going to be travelling to NY so the women in your life can take a gander at that billboard ? Are you then going to buy some Kalvin Klein duds so they can remember that orgy on that billboard every time they slip into their drawers ?



I'm not wishing for a burqa. My point is that a burqa is more a more acceptable garment to wear in public that those rags those anorexic preteens are wearing in that ad and I seriously doubt that any woman in a burqa would lay down on a man's chest and kiss another man while another man on the floor unbuttons his jeans in front of thousand of people in a public place.

[天邪鬼]

But, you've got a multilingual Intel Mac and Tora has an old Amiga.

Amiga OS is capable of displaying non roman characters.

[edin日本]

So.

Are you going to be travelling to NY so the women in your life can take a gander at that billboard ? Are you then going to buy some Kalvin Klein duds so they can remember that orgy on that billboard every time they slip into their drawers ?



I'm not wishing for a burqa. My point is that a burqa is more a more acceptable garment to wear in public that those rags those anorexic preteens are wearing in that ad and I seriously doubt that any woman in a burqa would lay down on a man's chest and kiss another man while another man on the floor unbuttons his jeans in front of thousand of people in a public place.

All that is of course true. Consider that the father of the girl who posed for that ad if he was Arab would feel that his daughter's actions would be justifiable reason for him to slit her throat and dump the body in the nearest gutter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ZWT...eature=related

So Rubi, if that was you kid, would you kill her for posing for that billboard ad?

[rubirosa]

So Rubi, if that was you kid, would you kill her for posing for that billboard ad?

If that was my kid that posed for that ad the first thing I would do, after tanning the kid's hide that is, is kick Calvin Klein's arse, b!tch slap the Madison Avenue barf bag that dreamed it up and then go on a rampage through Times Square, poking the eyes out of every muddafudda who looked at the goddam thing !

[Jacque_S]

Are you going to be travelling to NY so the women in your life can take a gander at that billboard ? Are you then going to buy some Kalvin Klein duds so they can remember that orgy on that billboard every time they slip into their drawers ?

No one seeing my large, hairy crack poking out of Kalvin Klein jeans would think "orgy".

[let`s talk]

It is all offtopic. Who has actually been to France recently? Let`s start with that, if you wish to speak about Sarko stuff.

[edin日本]

If that was my kid that posed for that ad the first thing I would do, after tanning the kid's hide that is, is kick Calvin Klein's arse, b!tch slap the Madison Avenue barf bag that dreamed it up and then go on a rampage through Times Square, poking the eyes out of every muddafudda who looked at the goddam thing !

A bit extreme yet understandable. Contrast that to what the typical hardline Muslim father would do in the same situation and who is the better man? The upset and angry American father who yells, screams and threatens legal action or the father who says "You have dishonoured the family and must die to atone for your mistake."

[edin日本]

One day Ed, one day. In the meantime I'll have to make do with my souped-up Sinclair ZX spectrum routed through a Mustang Engine.

Custom built job I see

[rubirosa]

No one seeing my large, hairy crack poking out of Kalvin Klein jeans would think "orgy".

Maybe this will help you get a little action.

[Jacque_S]

France moves toward partial burqa ban

"French lawmakers Tuesday recommended a partial ban on any veils that cover the face -- including the burqa, the full-body covering worn by some Muslim women.

The ban on the 'voile integrale' -- which literally means 'total veil' -- would apply in public places like hospitals and schools, and on public transport, a French parliamentary commission announced."

I like this part:

"'You are going to isolate these women and then you can't say that it is Islam that has denied them freedom, but that the law has,' said Mabrouka Boujnah, a language teacher of Tunisian origin.
Boujnah, who at 28 is about to have her first child, says she came to wearing a full veil gradually, after wearing headscarves as an teenager. She said she believes a law against full veils would take away fundamental rights of Muslim women."

So people who've chosen to advertise their very extreme interpretation of a very extreme religion which involves them not showing any parts of themselves in public are worried about being "isolated"?