Bad gaijin ruining it for the rest of us !

[RonBurgundy]

No problem. If the message gets home it will be my good deed for the day!

It sure did. I'm sitting on my toilet now.

[SteadyRollingMan]

oh, ouchy! Did I pee in your cornflakes this morning or what, yato? All that mouth-flecking dribble just goes to show someone (uh, that's you if you're too thick to figure that out) is wound pretty damn tight to the point of breaking. I think we know where the next Akihabara madman will come from. Pop a chill pill, dude. You are one serious piece of work.

[QUOTE=Yatomato. Yeah dude, I really wish I was like as cool and laid back as you are man! You are just so cool! I mean, you wear fancy dress! On a train! Fancy dress on a train! That is so cool and crazy! You are just one far out, chilled cat![/QUOTE]

Ding! Ding! ROUND - 1 Samurai Dave.

Stay tuned for round-2

[Samurai Dave]

Yeah dude, I really wish I was like as cool and laid back as you are man! You are just so cool! I mean, you wear fancy dress! On a train! Fancy dress on a train! That is so cool and crazy! You are just one far out, chilled cat!

While I'm new here I'm not new to forum shenanigans; so let me guess, this is your tactic - to keep responding ad nauseum till you practically bore your opponent to death with your lack of wit and humor. Am I right or am I right?

[Yatomato]

While I'm new here I'm not new to forum shenanigans; so let me guess, this is your tactic - to keep responding ad nauseum till you practically bore your opponent to death with your lack of wit and humor. Am I right or am I right?

For someone so cool, chilled and laid back its amazing how you always have to have the last word, isn't it SD ? I like how you called me boring after I called you boring though! That was so damn witty and humorous!

[talibanana]

While I'm new here I'm not new to forum shenanigans; so let me guess, this is your tactic - to keep responding ad nauseum till you practically bore your opponent to death with your lack of wit and humor. Am I right or am I right?

You are correct sir. I think Yamamoto needs to get laid.

[Samurai Dave]

For someone so cool, chilled and laid back its amazing how you always have to have the last word, isn't it SD ?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... oh, sorry! did you say something?

[Yatomato]

I can just tell that supercool, laid back Mr Chilled Samurai Dave is banging away at his keyboard in anger right now. Highly amusing stuff!

[Yatomato]

One last word from Samurai Dave coming right up!

[Samurai Dave]

I can just tell that supercool, laid back Mr Chilled Samurai Dave is banging away at his keyboard in anger right now. Highly amusing stuff!

yato-musto-havo-lasto-wordo-mato, my insomnia thanks you! Who needs sleeping pills when one your joyless humorless posts will send to sleep even the wiredest of folks but as for anger one need look no further than your mouth-flecking bit above about moi. That was a gem of uptightness indeed! I pity those around you the day your spring is finally sprung!

[SteadyRollingMan]

Bystanders please do not interupt these two battling demons. a recap Samurai Dace drew first blood in the first round as he hit Yatomato by peeing in his cornflakes. Yatomato could only reply with "so cool, chilled and laid back". Second round Yatomato repeated his you are "so cool, chilled and laid back". MAybe its a new tactic a little homo action from Yatomato ! Is that gonna be all he can dish out? His supporters must be going berserk I tell you folks. Wow! Took us all by surprised maybe there is a little wang to his ping. Samuraai Dave has just rocked Yatomato with this;

yato-musto-havo-lasto-wordo-mato, my insomnia thanks you! Who needs sleeping pills when one your joyless humorless posts will send to sleep even the wiredest of folks but as for anger one need look no further than your mouth-flecking bit above about moi. That was a gem of uptightness indeed! I pity those around you the day your spring is finally sprung!

Roind -2 Samurai Dave!
Don't go away ! Round three is coming your way!

[SteadyRollingMan]

Sorry about that folks! But looks like Yatomato has run off, maybe to get some vaseline for his wounds? Or maybe to get greased up? But looks like the rest of the fight will continue at a later date. This is your announcer SRM saying "good night to one and all" And keep Riding that train, no matter the bad Gaijins!

[SteadyRollingMan]

Wait a minute we are not done just yet! Yatomato is back!

[Yatomato]

You still smarting from that smoking dope thread SRM? That was quite a foul-mouthed meltdown tantrum that was! Boy did you go mad!

[Tink_Thinks]

SRM... what are you smoking? LOL

[SteadyRollingMan]

Of course I am smoking dope you dope. Now get back to fighting there is an audience waiting!

[Yatomato]

Hold on, I think another last word from super chilled, Mr Coolio, laid back Samurai Dave might be on its way!

edit: actually it was two more last words from supercool, easygoing, laid back badass Samurai Dave!

If I laugh any more I will die. Night night all.

[Samurai Dave]

For someone so cool, chilled and laid back its amazing how you always have to have the last word, isn't it SD ? I like how you called me boring after I called you boring though! That was so damn witty and humorous!

Nice little back edit there! You called me boring as though somehow that would make me boring whereas me calling you boring is simply calling a duck a duck, the skie blue, and the grass green. I imagine you could bore a stone dead sloth to tears.

[Samurai Dave]

Hold on, I think another last word from super chilled, Mr Coolio, laid back Samurai Dave might be on its way!

Is this really the best you got? Oh dear me! Is this just going to keep going on like this? I was right - you just keep at it ad nauseum till your opponent dies of boredom

[Samurai Dave]

Hold on, I think another last word from super chilled, Mr Coolio, laid back Samurai Dave might be on its way!

edit: actually it was two more last words from supercool, easygoing, laid back badass Samurai Dave!

If I laugh any more I will die. Night night all.

Wow, what a master - bater. Do me a favor, yato, leave me out of the suicide note, alright?

[SteadyRollingMan]

And there you have it folks! Samurai Dave has laid out Yatomato, now he is pulling the Stick out of his behind and ...No no Samyrai Dave you can't do that..no not in public. He called him a duck! The fight is over Yatomato is grinning from ear to ear ..that is a grin right Bob? Samurai Dave and Yatomato are now walking off together, Samurai Dave has what looks like a minature cricket bat in his pants and Yatomato is still grinning. Oh well folks that is the way it it is At 12:00 am Nov. 7 2009. God nite all > Happy Birthday SRM!
You dirty ole man. Hey Tink wanna see my sketches?

[aho]

why don't you guys just try setting good examples when out in public?

...helping the stray cats, etc..!

Helping stray cats? What do you do, catch them and neuter them?? Or you're one of these idiots who feeds them so they keep coming back to scream and frig all night... Bet your neighbors appreciate that.

I'm here to live, not to set examples. Well, not any more than I would try to set an example as a person wherever whenever... It's certainly not my job to represent "gaijin" and not my fault or my problem if others want to pigeonhole you and judge you because of me. I don't give a f-ck what anybody that small-minded thinks of me, and if you want to play the stereotype game, that's between you and them.

You know where you can stick your examples.

[Kaonashi]

You know, Aho, that "you know" rhymes with "aho."

But let's get on to more serious topics: the act of accepting your diminished roll in Japan. You may have arrived as Jesus Christ, but you'll leave not fitting to wash his feet. And that doesn't just go for gaijin: check out your Japanese neighbors. Still, there are things that you can do, and those things are very important: be true to yourself. Living in Japan gives a Westerner a distance from what is culturally expected; use that. Remember Mr. T when considering more culturally moribund natives: "I pity the fool." Anything above and beyond your job description is not your responsibility, and that includes instructing the local populace on norms of international behavior and serving as some sort of ambassador from wherever you happen to be from. Remember that Asians in the West suffer from similar types of discrimination. One hundred years ago, Asians were prohibited from immigrating to the United States and there was no Western presence in Japan. We have come a long way since then. What will both countries look like 100 years from now? (I'd suggest checking out Bladerunner if you want a hint.)


Oh, and regarding where to stick your examples:

[rubirosa]

I'm here to live,

Me too !

I'm here to live too !

Well, actually, I'm not only here to live I'm here to satisfy as well.

I'm here to satisfy my raging libido, I'm here to satisfy my gangantuan appetite, I'm here to satisfy my unquenchable thirst, I'm here to satisfy my need for speed (bikes and cars you junkies !) I'm here to satisfy my blood lust for a good fight but most of all I'm here to satisfy all the lovely ladies of the land !

[Chuck Fickens]

Me too !

I'm here to live too !

Well, actually, I'm not only here to live I'm here to satisfy as well.

I'm here to satisfy my raging libido, I'm here to satisfy my gangantuan appetite, I'm here to satisfy my unquenchable thirst, I'm here to satisfy my need for speed (bikes and cars you junkies !) I'm here to satisfy my blood lust for a good fight but most of all I'm here to satisfy all the lovely ladies of the land !

I'm here to become even more successful than I already am.

[WillKill4Rice]

But he continued and pushed S.G. again and started saying all kinds of things about gaijin and Kurogane's mother. That was it! Three staff came and escorted him round the shop away from us. We walked out with our Ebisu and cheeses. The staff thanked us for not kicking his ___.

You lack the wisdom.

He is Japanese. You aren't.

You are in Japan.

If you tried to do your thing, and laid a finger on him, just what do you think would have happened? Ahah this is where you lack the wisdom.

Gain the Wisdom!

*Sounds Gong*

[kurogane]

Earlier this week when coming back from a little conference in the Big Onigiri, S.G. and his sidekick stepped out of Shinagawa Stn to buy snacks, still with valid tickets having been shown to staff. A minute later down in a little store, S.G. was suddenly accosted by some 30-something Japanese guy who was yelling and yelling at me for "cheating." Surprised and a bit puzzled, S.G. had no desire to fight, but large sidekick wouldn't have minded it for diversion. "No, no. Ignore this guy. I do not want to be spending time with the police." But he continued and pushed S.G. again and started saying all kinds of things about gaijin and Kurogane's mother. That was it! Three staff came and escorted him round the shop away from us. We walked out with our Ebisu and cheeses. The staff thanked us for not kicking his ___. The numerous other foreigners there at the time continued shopping peacefully. The best, though, was that he came to the same platform as us and was glaring until his poor man's Kodama left. D!ckheads can be anyone, anywhere..

Velly Intalesting.

I have heard screamed accusations of Zurui by a number of Obvious Mental Patients over the years, not to mention by a couple of GFs.

Any clue as to what you were supposedly cheating?


Perhaps it was with my mother?

[Super Grover]

You lack the wisdom.

He is Japanese. You aren't.

You are in Japan.

If you tried to do your thing, and laid a finger on him, just what do you think would have happened? Ahah this is where you lack the wisdom.

Gain the Wisdom!

*Sounds Gong*

But I DIDN'T, Master Rice. As an adherent of your sage teachings, I refrained. Claps with one hand

[Super Grover]

Velly Intalesting.

I have heard screamed accusations of Zurui by a number of Obvious Mental Patients over the years, not to mention by a couple of GFs.

Any clue as to what you were supposedly cheating?


Perhaps it was with my mother?

We went out of the station "illegally" and therefore showed ourselves to be NOT WORTHY of being allowed to live in Japan with HIM.
He may have had some kind of grudge against guys in brown shirts???

[kurogane]

We went out of the station "illegally" and therefore showed ourselves to be NOT WORTHY of being allowed to live in Japan with HIM.

Ahh, Yes. The Pocket Shoguns.

The Japanese version of those dweebs that have bumper stickers that say:

As a matter of fact, I do own the road.

Let me get this straight, though: he saw you leave the station, even though you showed your tickets, and followed you into the store in question to confront you?

Yet another argument for involuntary euthanasia.

Good for you, btw. I would have given him the cranial hammer the moment he put his filthy mental patient paws on me.


There's too much sympathy in this world for unrestrained mental patients.

What we need are more deep pits, and automatic weapons.

He may have had some kind of grudge against guys in Brown Shirts???

Aaaah. Yes. The intolerance of anti-Nazis often fazes me....

[Super Grover]

Let me get this straight, though: he saw you leave the station, even though you showed your tickets, and followed you into the store in question to confront you?

Yet another argument for involuntary euthanasia.

Good for you, btw. I would have given him the cranial hammer the moment he put his filthy mental patient paws on me.

Correct. Ticket was shown, we walked through. He followed, though we had no idea we were being tailed. Maybe he missed the showing part but, yeah, he came down to confront/vent.
Nuts. Two against one, not that at my age I would.

So two Johnny Canucks evened the score for some other anonymous douchebag somewhere in Tokyo who was puking his guts out in some entryway. Cosmic karma restored.

Not that it would happen or could, but what if we all left? If we were to form a Leaving Movement, where we encouraged people to leave and actively worked to help people find good jobs in their country of origin (or elsewhere), how would that fly? It is not so nutty. Forget Arudo's Crusade; go the other way. Several years ago I asked foreign students if they'd like to remain in Japan. Usually about half said, "Yes." Last year and this year, all want to return, but visit Japan on holidays (btw, my foreign students are clever and skilled).

[kurogane]

Correct. Ticket was shown, we walked through. He followed, though we had no idea we were being tailed. Maybe he missed the showing part but, yeah, he came down to confront/vent.
Nuts. Two against one, not that at my age I would. .

Crazy man. Crazy.

And again, kudos. Once I figured out he had followed me for that express purpose, he would have been bleeding on the floor. With a size 11.5 Roots Boots print on his face.

There's a rule:

You make Pearl Harbour, I make Hiroshima.

It has served me well. People like that, regardless of nationality, need to be taught a lesson.

And nothing drives home the point like facial stitches.

I do, however, choose the venues at which I actually state it in explicit terms.

They get touchy about Hiroshima jokes. I never figured out why.

Maybe I'm getting old...............

[Shakes Spear]

Not that it would happen or could, but what if we all left? If we were to form a Leaving Movement, where we encouraged people to leave and actively worked to help people find good jobs in their country of origin (or elsewhere), how would that fly? It is not so nutty. Forget Arudo's Crusade; go the other way.

Hey, I love this idea! I think it might just work! You all go on ahead, I've just got to run back and grab my keys. I'll catch up.

[Kaonashi]

Oh, yeah? Well, I got berated by some "pocket shogun" (great phrase!) for holding hands and kissing in public - with my wife!

While not physical, my response was still vitriolic enough to straighten his curlies all out.

Don't put up with none of that sh!t. Ever.

[Tyler555]

I don't think bad gaijin ruin it for the rest of us at all.

I have been extremely successful in my time here. I have sucked up to the Japanese where necessary, spat the dummy re necessary and done things my own way, and I am respected by the Japanese for what I have achieved.

Once again, the bad gaijin thing is but another excuse long-termers use for their own personal failures in Japan.

Wow, you so smart. Dude, go push some "real estate" paperwork. Give it a rest.

[outkast]

In Oita, there aren't really any "bad gaijin" to begin with... The non-Japanese that can blend in try to blend in, and the white/black/other obviously non-Japanese types just try to do their best to make a living. Even so, there are many Japanese that hate us or try to avoid us out of fear, but I guess they must get it from television or somewhere else since there are never any "gaijin incidents" in the prefecture to base anything like that on. (Although police officers have told me repeatedly to "avoid dangerous Chinese and Koreans", again without any local basis...)

The only real difference between us and the Japanese is that we aren't Japanese. That's reason enough for some Japanese to get excited and go off half-cocked, but the discourse basically ends there. As long as we don't harm them in any way, most Japanese here aren't interested in us at all. (I mean in that while they always watch everything that we do, it's not as if they are trying to learn anything or form an opinion about it. They just watch out of alertness.)

So I just keep a quiet profile and go about my life. If I do things that stand out, it's usually holding the door open for someone or telling the waiter it's fine if they get my order wrong. I'm not planning on changing these since they don't cause any harm anyway. Of course I follow rules and all that, but that's not really a big deal. Even if I take citizenship here, to me that's a matter of nationality- I connect my inner identity with my ethnicity & religion, so there isn't anything that I am trying to fundamentally change about myself for living here. The whole idea of "trying to be more Japanese" is stupid, because Japanese people don't even know what being Japanese means, besides "literally being Japanese" as in blood purity garbage. And since their understanding barely goes beyond that, any efforts on your part to be "more Japanese" are strictly for your own benefit (because they won't notice). Don't do it for the Japanese- if you want to do it, know that you are doing it for yourself. If you don't want to do it, then it would be a waste of time.

As for other gaijin outside of rural Kyushu giving gaijin a "bad name" (in places like Roppongi or wherever the "bad gaijin" are supposed to exist), it doesn't have anything to do with me or the gaijin living in my community. Because of that, I don't get why other "gaijin" try to avoid each other (but maybe in urban areas it's necessary? I don't know anything about how things are in those places...) And to be honest, I wouldn't care. I don't think all Japanese are d-bags even though there are plenty of Japanese d-bags in my apartment building alone. I lead a good example because it's just following my own common sense. Whether Japanese people even notice or care enough to change their own prejudices because of it is another matter. And since most Japanese will never bother to make an effort to learn anything about me or my culture, I'm certainly not concerned in how they view me as part of a larger "gaijin" sub-group.

[Gadzooks]

In Oita, there aren't really any "bad gaijin" to begin with... The non-Japanese that can blend in try to blend in, and the white/black/other obviously non-Japanese types just try to do their best to make a living. Even so, there are many Japanese that hate us or try to avoid us out of fear, but I guess they must get it from television or somewhere else since there are never any "gaijin incidents" in the prefecture to base anything like that on. (Although police officers have told me repeatedly to "avoid dangerous Chinese and Koreans", again without any local basis...)

The only real difference between us and the Japanese is that we aren't Japanese. That's reason enough for some Japanese to get excited and go off half-cocked, but the discourse basically ends there. As long as we don't harm them in any way, most Japanese here aren't interested in us at all. (I mean in that while they always watch everything that we do, it's not as if they are trying to learn anything or form an opinion about it. They just watch out of alertness.)

So I just keep a quiet profile and go about my life. If I do things that stand out, it's usually holding the door open for someone or telling the waiter it's fine if they get my order wrong. I'm not planning on changing these since they don't cause any harm anyway. Of course I follow rules and all that, but that's not really a big deal. Even if I take citizenship here, to me that's a matter of nationality- I connect my inner identity with my ethnicity & religion, so there isn't anything that I am trying to fundamentally change about myself for living here. The whole idea of "trying to be more Japanese" is stupid, because Japanese people don't even know what being Japanese means, besides "literally being Japanese" as in blood purity garbage. And since their understanding barely goes beyond that, any efforts on your part to be "more Japanese" are strictly for your own benefit (because they won't notice). Don't do it for the Japanese- if you want to do it, know that you are doing it for yourself. If you don't want to do it, then it would be a waste of time.

As for other gaijin outside of rural Kyushu giving gaijin a "bad name" (in places like Roppongi or wherever the "bad gaijin" are supposed to exist), it doesn't have anything to do with me or the gaijin living in my community. Because of that, I don't get why other "gaijin" try to avoid each other (but maybe in urban areas it's necessary? I don't know anything about how things are in those places...) And to be honest, I wouldn't care. I don't think all Japanese are d-bags even though there are plenty of Japanese d-bags in my apartment building alone. I lead a good example because it's just following my own common sense. Whether Japanese people even notice or care enough to change their own prejudices because of it is another matter. And since most Japanese will never bother to make an effort to learn anything about me or my culture, I'm certainly not concerned in how they view me as part of a larger "gaijin" sub-group.

Hmm...thoughtful post, but you've got it all wrong. Part of our responsibility as gaijin is being confronting and aggressive towards the Japanese. It's for their own good.

G.

[outkast]

Hmm...thoughtful post, but you've got it all wrong. Part of our responsibility as gaijin is being confronting and aggressive towards the Japanese. It's for their own good.

G.

Of course, any time I've ever been caught in traffic next to an Uyoku van that won't have the common decency to turn down the volume until he is at least moving again, I feel inclined to agree...

[ひさしぶり]

There are certain gaijin among us, uni professor types, guys in uncomfortable looking suits trying way too hard to look like a salaryman, and guys (they are mostly guys) who have a few years undertheir belts and think they know the ropes real good but actualy don't know much about the country who get all bent out of shape when they see or hear of other gaijin behaving badly and insulting, shocking, scaring or otherwise annoying their Japanese hosts, these knowitalls insist that when other gaijin behave badly it makes all gaijin look like uncivilized barbarians, you can find up-tite mo-fos like this complaining about the Halloween Train for example,

These guys have got it all wrong.

Japanese expect gaijin to behave badly and always have, and not only do they expect this bad behaviour to be forthcoming from us gaijin they demand it, they feel let down if a foreigner doesn't wash his dirty socks in the sento once in a while, if a dumb Yankee doesn't walk through the house with the toilet slippers on his feet you haven't really had a foreign house guest, that's the brilliance behind Mr. James McJames-kun, the burger nerd, he is lovable becuase of his ignorance, let those young, dumb foreigners blow off a little steam, let them run wild, the Japanese will love them for it.

The Japanese expect nothing less !

What's up with this sudden quest for knowledge about other people's pay? Some people make a lot, some make a little, some make nothing at all. WTF do you care? Jealous much?

What's up with this sudden quest for knowledge about other foreigners? Some foreigners are good folk, some are average, some are bad. WTF do you care? Hypocrite much?

[ray12k]

Yawn. This "too cool for school" charisma man gaijin schtick is pretty lame amongst fratboys in their early 20s but when you are rapidly approaching middle age (or already there) like several of the people on this thread -- rubirosa, samurai dave et al -- it just becomes embarrassing to the point of being cringeworthy.

Though I can sort of understand how people might pathetically want to cling to the idea of going to a Halloween party for badass rebel gaijin non-conformists (thanx for the lulz SD!) as a feeble attempt at avoiding the reality of the passing years. Sad really.

Well what you consider being a bad ___ is what we would would consider part of western culture... Hell kids the age of 6 have halloween parties and as young as 6 months dress in costumes...

[ray12k]

why don't you guys just try setting good examples when out in public?

japanese don't know what to expect from gaijin. all they know is gaijin usually act kind of crazy (by jp standards), are direct to the point of rudeness, possibly aggressive (ever been to yokosuka honchome on a weekend?), etc. all of these stereotypes get reinforced when they see jackasses behaving badly after a drinking session especially in roppongi or yokosuka.

so instead of fitting the negative image by getting wasted and beating the ____ out of some girl, go set a good example by doing something like giving up your train seat to the old lady that just got on, or cleaning around your apartment both inside and out, helping the stray cats, etc..!

Um, maybe paint their toe nails pink while they are helping nurse kittens...