The majority of Japanese males gay?

[nynapaj]

Any of us that have taught children up through high school can see that a lot of the boys are very touchy with each other. And I have seen so many young guys in their 20s hugging and being all touchy feely in bars. I have even seen old men do the touchy stuff in public.
Additionally, the boy students almost all refuse to do any pair work or conversation activities with the girls unless you directly point to a boy and a girl and force them into the same group.
I know some could say that it is a "cultural thing", but is it an "all the men actually gay cultural thing"??

[Bye-Bye kin]

I saw a show on Japanese TV a while back that almost said the same thing. The percentage of men that remain single past the age of 40 is gradually increasing year by year. The 'expert' claimed that this was because the number of homosexual males is increasing. Homosexuality is still somewhat frowned upon by Japanese society (unless your famous and extremely over-the-top about it) and therefore these men remain single instead of coming to terms with their sexuality. The expert also claimed that the apparent increase in the number of homosexuals is due to advances in modern medicine (homosexuals had a higher rate of infant mortality he argued). Sorry can't remember who the expert was or what the TV show was. Not sure how much truth there is to it but it did strike me as quite bold claims to make on Japanese prime time TV.

[Booker]

this might sound strange, but whose definition of gay are we dealing with? is male-male touching or whatever always already (that's right, i went there) a gay thing?

i'm not asking b/c i want an answer. i'm just pondering for the sake of ponderment.

[rainbowtokyo]

That's right. Move to a country and enjoy all that it has to offer. Then insult half the population by calling them gay. You are a classy fellow aren't you.

[shiratori]

The percentage of men that remain single past the age of 40 is gradually increasing year by year. The 'expert' claimed that this was because the number of homosexual males is increasing.

If you go to a supermarket at about 7-9pm, you will see how many J-men buy obento or other foods for microwaves. They are single but not single parasites. They don't live with their mothers, nobody cooks for them. They live alone and buy obento in the supermarkets. Of course you know how many single girls are in J-land. They are 26yo, 27yo, 28yo, 29yo ... 30yo (ouch!) and still single. They are desperate and they ask the question: why J-men don't want to marry us? You can tell them that those men are gays. But the thruth is that those J-men are straight, they just don' want to marry a girl who quit her job the next day after the wedding and will be spending his money for the rest of his life. Someone can call it a prostitution, in its hidden form. Maybe, but I heard Jives are sexless. J-men stay single or marry a foreign wife who can bring her own paycheck. J-girls have now choice but to go to gaijin bars to find a gaijin loser-hubby. Then he will post on GP why his Jife wants to control his money and ..... Well, you know.

[nynapaj]

That's right. Move to a country and enjoy all that it has to offer. Then insult half the population by calling them gay. You are a classy fellow aren't you.

I didn't insult them. I don't think there is anything "wrong" with homosexuality, but it seems there is more PDA between straight men than between male-female couples... or even gay couples (and I have seen my gay friends hang out together, too).

[Booker]

I didn't insult them. I don't think there is anything "wrong" with homosexuality, but it seems there is more PDA between straight men than between male-female couples... or even gay couples (and I have seen my gay friends hang out together, too).

i think that's what RT is getting at. Male-male PDA doesn't necessarily equate to homosexuality. In any context.
An act is one thing; desire is something that can be completely different.

[Effected After]

The 'expert' claimed that this was because the number of homosexual males is increasing.

This line of thought is so stupid. The number of homosexuals never increases or decreases. All you get is an increase or decrease of people admitting they are gay. The actual number stay the same regardless.

[the_pink_tako_yaki]

Any of us that have taught children up through high school can see that a lot of the boys are very touchy with each other. And I have seen so many young guys in their 20s hugging and being all touchy feely in bars. I have even seen old men do the touchy stuff in public.
Additionally, the boy students almost all refuse to do any pair work or conversation activities with the girls unless you directly point to a boy and a girl and force them into the same group.
I know some could say that it is a "cultural thing", but is it an "all the men actually gay cultural thing"??

Guys here got NOTHING on girls.
Seriously,
girl-girl boob-touching is pretty much considered a friendly greeting and even an ice-breaker. Girls hug and hang on each other all the time, especially when alcohol is involved. One of my best friends, I first met her when she was drunk with her friends and saw me walking down the staircase at Atom to the psytrance floor and she was just like "OMG look OPPAI!!!" and came up and gave em a squeeze in front of everyone.
I never really felt like it had a lesbian vibe though except for this one time some chick came up to me and kissed me, I thought it was gonna be one of those cutesy kinda kisses that most girls seem to do, but then she started going open lip, and then kissing down my neck, and that was just awkward.

When I see guys being physical, most of the time it doesn't have a really gay vibe to it. Like I don't get the impression of genuinely sexual undertones to most of what I see. I think people here who are really close friends feel comfortable being physically close with each other. That doesn't necessarily mean they wanna take it in the a$$ from their buddies.

[nynapaj]

I think people here who are really close friends feel comfortable being physically close with each other. That doesn't necessarily mean they wanna take it in the a$$ from their buddies.

I understand that part, but the thing that confuses me is that so many young boys and girls seem to totally avoid each other. I would understand if it were pre-school and the girls say, "boys have germs!" but in JHS and even HS it seems a bit too much.

[Booker]

I understand that part, but the thing that confuses me is that so many young boys and girls seem to totally avoid each other. I would understand if it were pre-school and the girls say, "boys have germs!" but in JHS and even HS it seems a bit too much.

i don't know, son. it's usually the guys who have all the bitches who are the gayest (not that there's anything wrong with that). along those lines, isn't it the guys who talk so much shyt about gay people who are masking their own gayness? i mean, ask lil' wayne...
but seriously, same line of thought applies here to what you were asking b/f: sounds to me like you have your gaydar set to a specific social expectation of gayness. even if boys and girls don't hang out, it doesn't suggest homosexuality on any level--except maybe where you call home. try to divorce yourself from you own understanding of gayity and maybe your ideas will change.
why does it matter anyways? if all the men b. gay, there's more fine ladies for you. no diggity.

[well_bicyclically]

you have to remember that the 'job' of young people is to study and prepare for the roles that await them as adults. There is no need to bother with the mixing of genders until the age of 28 or whenever their parents decide it is time to do so.

what is more interesting is that the young girls dress the way they do and wear all that make up ... for each other, NOT to attract males...!

[ArnoldS]

I have to agree, 90% of the j males are gay, they just don't admit it.

There are two kinds of japanese men.
Either they're a fruit or they're a vegetable...HAHAHA.

[TJrandom]

I’d say – ask the ladies if there are a lot of gay guys around – since they should know in an instant.

I had a well endowed J employee tell me that she could tell if a guy was gay in a moment. All she had to do was observe where they were looking, at her face or her breasts. (Sort of made me think about where my eyes were wondering....)

I know of no such test for gay gals…

[well_bicyclically]

...

I know of no such test for gay gals…

I think if they like licking vag, they are homosexual...

[chokonen888]

Male/female public displays of affection here are more frowned upon, the popular males here tend to be more feminine, vegetarian boys are popular...I'd say Japanese society itself is more gay than a couple of boys being friendly with each other.

you have to remember that the 'job' of young people is to study and prepare for the roles that await them as adults. There is no need to bother with the mixing of genders until the age of 28 or whenever their parents decide it is time to do so.

what is more interesting is that the young girls dress the way they do and wear all that make up ... for each other, NOT to attract males...!

So true...

A few of the girls I know intentionally dress down though, not wanting to be attacked by all the "catch" guys downtown or constantly hit on. They're cuties but obviously don't care about impressing anyone.

[~Murasaki~]

Hmmm...well last saturday, I was in club(no not a hostess bar or host bar or any kind of bar, club with djs and nice dancefloor) in shinjuku and two guys nampa'd me in the same way. They grabbed my arm and proceed to pull me to the door. I was like what are you doing..they something to me...which I was like..huh? and then they said "issho ni " and lightly squeezed my right boob. I basically told them "no" slapped their hands and went back to dancing!!! Ok..this was different occasions within an hour with two completely different looking guys. The first guy was tall, skinny, overly tan skin and big blond hair..I could tell by this guy desperate nampa of other girls throughout the night that he was horny as f^ck. This guy actually came up me again later and caressed my back. O_o. I quickly moved away from him. The second guy was short, nice muscular build and body proportions, buzzcut hair and had taken some drugs as some point..I could smell it. I am not sure if grabbing the right boob is a new nampa techique but I never met any guys in my home country that acted that intense when it comes to picking up girls. Also, I was dressed really modest that night. I had on a flowly tyedye style tunic top with sequins and black skinny jeans. Also my feet hurt and I wanted to dance so I had on flip flops for most of the night. I was violating one of my fashion rules by wearing those flip flops in the club. They are for after I been wearing high heels for 6 hours and have to walk back home purposes only.

From my story and various other stories about my experiences in Japan, the men here will always be the bulk of my tales. I came to this country thinking most of the men were nerdy, social inept, weird, otaku, ugly..and whatever other lies western media tells. Now, I think that some japanese men have alot of passion with women behind closed doors. Just be cause they don't display outward affection in public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I prefer that. I hate how some men in my own country and other western countries act. Some guys will say nasty things to you when you walk down the street. It was why I didn't wear shorts or sexy clothes in America. Japanese men look and might try to get your attention with a "hey" like comment but nothing like in America and a few other countries.

From my experience, if a japanese guy is attracted to you..you better watch out..sometimes $hit happens when you least expect it. They really like women. Look at all the sex services, hostess bars, porn and etc that feature women..would all this exist if the men were gay? Yes it would but it would be men doing this dirty work!

I don't think the majority of men are gay here. Only the usual 10%. Just because guys are more comfortable touching each other doesn't mean it's sexual. In some European countries, both sexes with kiss both sexes on the cheek to say hello..does it mean their gay? No! It's culture. To Japanese culture, this is normal. They probably think that some western cultures are weird because they don't act in those ways to each other.

[Don Juan]

mehhhh...

almost all of you look gay to me anyway...

[Don Juan]

Hmmm...well last saturday, I was in club(no not a hostess bar or host bar or any kind of bar, club with djs and nice dancefloor) in shinjuku and two guys nampa'd me in the same way. They grabbed my arm and proceed to pull me to the door. I was like what are you doing..they something to me...which I was like..huh? and then they said "issho ni " and lightly squeezed my right boob. I basically told them "no" slapped their hands and went back to dancing!!! Ok..this was different occasions within an hour with two completely different looking guys. The first guy was tall, skinny, overly tan skin and big blond hair..I could tell by this guy desperate nampa of other girls throughout the night that he was horny as f^ck. This guy actually came up me again later and caressed my back. O_o. I quickly moved away from him. The second guy was short, nice muscular build and body proportions, buzzcut hair and had taken some drugs as some point..I could smell it. I am not sure if grabbing the right boob is a new nampa techique but I never met any guys in my home country that acted that intense when it comes to picking up girls. Also, I was dressed really modest that night. I had on a flowly tyedye style tunic top with sequins and black skinny jeans. Also my feet hurt and I wanted to dance so I had on flip flops for most of the night. I was violating one of my fashion rules by wearing those flip flops in the club. They are for after I been wearing high heels for 6 hours and have to walk back home purposes only.

From my story and various other stories about my experiences in Japan, the men here will always be the bulk of my tales. I came to this country thinking most of the men were nerdy, social inept, weird, otaku, ugly..and whatever other lies western media tells. Now, I think that some japanese men have alot of passion with women behind closed doors. Just be cause they don't display outward affection in public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I prefer that. I hate how some men in my own country and other western countries act. Some guys will say nasty things to you when you walk down the street. It was why I didn't wear shorts or sexy clothes in America. Japanese men look and might try to get your attention with a "hey" like comment but nothing like in America and a few other countries.

From my experience, if a japanese guy is attracted to you..you better watch out..sometimes $hit happens when you least expect it. They really like women. Look at all the sex services, hostess bars, porn and etc that feature women..would all this exist if the men were gay? Yes it would but it would be men doing this dirty work!

I don't think the majority of men are gay here. Only the usual 10%. Just because guys are more comfortable touching each other doesn't mean it's sexual. In some European countries, both sexes with kiss both sexes on the cheek to say hello..does it mean their gay? No! It's culture. To Japanese culture, this is normal. They probably think that some western cultures are weird because they don't act in those ways to each other.

So you prefer some "cool" but awkard dude touches your nipple, or some old choiwaru oyaji talk to you into getting to bed??

(and yes, I am "nampa"ing you)

LOL

[~Murasaki~]

So you prefer some "cool" but awkard dude touches your nipple, or some old choiwaru oyaji talk to you into getting to bed??

(and yes, I am "nampa"ing you)

LOL

To be 1000% honest, I don't really have any problem with a young "cool" guy awkard touching me in a sad nampa techinque but it makes me want to vomit whenever a man twice my age and looks like it..you know greying hair wrinkles, beer belly saids some moderately suggestive to me. I have tried the older man thing before but I am not mature enough for that kind of relationship..end if the dude has cash. I just feel dirty with older men.

[TJrandom]

To be 1000% honest, I don't really have any problem with a young "cool" guy awkard touching me in a sad nampa techinque but it makes me want to vomit whenever a man twice my age and looks like it..you know greying hair wrinkles, beer belly saids some moderately suggestive to me. I have tried the older man thing before but I am not mature enough for that kind of relationship..end if the dude has cash. I just feel dirty with older men.

Well I won't nampa you then - honest.

(Say, whaddaya doing later?)

[Don Juan]

To be 1000% honest, I don't really have any problem with a young "cool" guy awkard touching me in a sad nampa techinque but it makes me want to vomit whenever a man twice my age and looks like it..you know greying hair wrinkles, beer belly saids some moderately suggestive to me. I have tried the older man thing before but I am not mature enough for that kind of relationship..end if the dude has cash. I just feel dirty with older men.

hahaha how sad....

[Booker]

hahaha how sad....

i'm a young, cool guy (i think...).
may i awkwardly touch awkwardly?

[~Murasaki~]

hahaha how sad....

....give me 5 years and then maybe I will agree with you.

I also feel dirty if younger guys..like 17-19. I will never forget the tattooed 18 year old bleached orange hair chimpira kid. Oh my...

To Booker: Send me a pic..then we will talk.

[Booker]

To Booker: Send me a pic..then we will talk.

uh.....seriously?
i never know what to think of internet women.....

[Piejin]

I couldn't care less about the touchy-feely ____--personally I think it's kind of sexist/homophobic to say that it's OK for girls to show affection for their female friends, but if guys show affection for dude friends it automatically makes them OMGBBQGAY!!11 Just because you grew up repressed and not expressing your feelings doesn't mean everybody grows up that way. It's one of the few things I appreciate in Japanese culture.

That said, I do agree that the *attitude* is pretty weird. Back home, you get a bunch of 15-16 year olds, and all they think/care about is the opposite sex. Here, guys who should be going gaga over girls (or vice versa) instead seem to show pretty much NO interest in girls, and it's like they're way behind on puberty. And same for the girls--I can't tell you how many "BOYS ARE GROSS!!" notes being passed around by high school girls here. :|

When do Japanese people actually get to an age where they actually FEEL ATTRACTION?

[Don Juan]

....give me 5 years and then maybe I will agree with you.

I also feel dirty if younger guys..like 17-19. I will never forget the tattooed 18 year old bleached orange hair chimpira kid. Oh my...

To Booker: Send me a pic..then we will talk.

hehe that reminds me of a episode of a comedy I watched.
the guy had a fling with an older woman when he was 20 but left her...(and couldnt forget her.)
when he reaches 40 he looks for her and find her...
taking all his courage he asks her out..

and she says "dear.. i was not interested in guys in his 40s back then, and neither I am now"

[chokonen888]

Hmmm...well last saturday, I was in club(no not a hostess bar or host bar or any kind of bar, club with djs and nice dancefloor) in shinjuku and two guys nampa'd me in the same way. They grabbed my arm and proceed to pull me to the door. I was like what are you doing..they something to me...which I was like..huh? and then they said "issho ni " and lightly squeezed my right boob. I basically told them "no" slapped their hands and went back to dancing!!!

That's it? Some idiot did the same with one of my female friends and I promptly knocked him into the bar. Later on the same night she was leaning against a wall and had guys literally box her in with their arms and try to nampa...wasn't there for that but I probably would have done the same to them. Finally, when leaving the club, some skinny white guy licked the side of her face as he passed her on the stairs...yeah, WTF? Needless to say, I sent him down the rest of the stairs and over the top of some poor girl that was taking something out of a locker at the bottom. Point is, talk is talk but don't play the Japanese robot and take it if they get physical. If you don't want to hurt them, scream hentai or something. I guarantee they will think twice before getting physical with some other female they don't know.

[Don Juan]

That's it? Some idiot did the same with one of my female friends and I promptly knocked him into the bar. Later on the same night she was leaning against a wall and had guys literally box her in with their arms and try to nampa...wasn't there for that but I probably would have done the same to them. Finally, when leaving the club, some skinny white guy licked the side of her face as he passed her on the stairs...yeah, WTF? Needless to say, I sent him down the rest of the stairs and over the top of some poor girl that was taking something out of a locker at the bottom. Point is, talk is talk but don't play the Japanese robot and take it if they get physical. If you don't want to hurt them, scream hentai or something. I guarantee they will think twice before getting physical with some other female they don't know.

Although I would have done the same, she already said she prefers some idiot without skills touching her against her will than some suave talking guy provided the idiot is in her age range.

No wonder I see some of these pathetic idiots when I go drinking sometimes...

[the_pink_tako_yaki]

Finally, when leaving the club, some skinny white guy licked the side of her face as he passed her on the stairs...yeah, WTF? Needless to say, I sent him down the rest of the stairs and over the top of some poor girl that was taking something out of a locker at the bottom.

OK, so which one of you hapless feckwits here was it?

[chokonen888]

Although I would have done the same, she already said she prefers some idiot without skills touching her against her will than some suave talking guy provided the idiot is in her age range.

No wonder I see some of these pathetic idiots when I go drinking sometimes...

touche touche...

OK, so which one of you hapless feckwits here was it?

LOL, I kinda wondered the same after he went running off.

[Don Juan]

touche touche...
.

I am having sex on Saturday! Yeahhhhh!!

[~Murasaki~]

Although I would have done the same, she already said she prefers some idiot without skills touching her against her will than some suave talking guy provided the idiot is in her age range.

No wonder I see some of these pathetic idiots when I go drinking sometimes...

in some lame attempt to jusify myself, I must add that the guys didn't grab me that hard..just a light half @ssed squeeze, it was nothing really, with my twisted sense of humor I though it was funny..now I actually have been groped alot hard and my reactions wouldn't have been so comical. Once was by a former accquintance, if he hadn't had been somewhat of a friend and I thought he was sh!tfaced drunk at the time, I would have slapped him pretty hard instead I flicked his nose a few times and ran away from him. He got the message and apologized. Next was from this drunk italian guy...he grabbed me and I started to yell at them. He didn't understand alot of english. So my anger was lost on him. The worst time was when this American guy..his drunk butt started grinding up against me and grabbing me. I told him to stop and pushed him away and he almost swung back me. His friend interveined and said "don't hit a girl"..the guy replied back "but she pushed me..I can hit her." Anyway that story is the reason I settle all my groping incidents as peacefully as possible. I would rather just run away from a guy then say something or have a more physical reaction for the fear that they guy will try to really hurt me.

Also I must add..sometimes the words of a man make me feel just as dirty as when they touch me. What you think is "sauve" talk may actually make a girl feel as bad as if you were to touch her.

[TJrandom]

..sometimes the words of a man make me feel just as dirty as when they touch me. What you think is "sauve" talk may actually make a girl feel as bad as if you were to touch her.

Please - can you expand on that thought just a bit? Might it be when familiarity is assumed that shouldn't have been" Or is it when the words are a bit too explicit? Or...?

[the_pink_tako_yaki]

Please - can you expand on that thought just a bit? Might it be when familiarity is assumed that shouldn't have been" Or is it when the words are a bit too explicit? Or...?

lol a japanese girl i know what propositioned by a guy she didn't know in Ikebukuro the other night.
He said to her, "I'll give you 10,000yen if you'll let me do you without a condom."

For some reason I feel like if someone said something like that to me, I'd feel a lot more "violated" that getting lightly groped.

I'd still probably unleash teh fockin' fyooooory in either situation though.

[kurogane]

Any of us that have taught children up through high school can see that a lot of the boys are very touchy with each other. And I have seen so many young guys in their 20s hugging and being all touchy feely in bars. I have even seen old men do the touchy stuff in public.
Additionally, the boy students almost all refuse to do any pair work or conversation activities with the girls unless you directly point to a boy and a girl and force them into the same group.
I know some could say that it is a "cultural thing", but is it an "all the men actually gay cultural thing"??

Surely a panty wetting emotard like you has a strong enough gaydar to come to some sort of conclusion.

So, what is it, boy!!!??????????????????????

[swellh2o]

I have to agree, 90% of the j males are gay, they just don't admit it.
There are two kinds of Japanese men.
Either they're a fruit or they're a vegetable...HAHAHA.

And you know because you're an authority of all matters Japanese???

Who started this idiotic topic anyway???

[swellh2o]

Surely a panty wetting emotard like you has a strong enough gaydar to come to some sort of conclusion.
So, what is it, boy!?!?!?!?

We have our differences, but I definitely agree w/you on this one!

[~Murasaki~]

Please - can you expand on that thought just a bit? Might it be when familiarity is assumed that shouldn't have been" Or is it when the words are a bit too explicit? Or...?

If some old geezer told you "YOU HAVE A REALLY NICE BODY!!!!" and then stare a hole through you..how you feel?

My personal fave was a guy you came up to me and was "You look like you are sixteen years old!!!" I then asked the guy how old he was and he said "32". EWWWWEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In these situations, I would have preferred a quick WTF slap on the rear end. I am stuck with these words forever!!!!!WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Don Juan]

If some old geezer told you "YOU HAVE A REALLY NICE BODY!!!!" and then stare a hole through you..how you feel?

mystified???

btw, what is this trauma you have with "old geezers"? We men have the RIGHT to be attracted to women, at all ages. even when we are 90. it is our nature. it is stupid that what bothers you is NOT the content of something said to you but WHO said it. It isstupid that you feel bad when an "old geezer" praise your body but feel ok when a young stupid says the same or worse.

grow up about the age thing already. you are not 16.

(btw, I date girls with an age span15 years younger and older, nothing wrong with that. people are people and should be judged on their personal characteristics)