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  • #31
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17533398

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    • #32
      I do understand the whole theory of radiation = the level of radiation x the amount of time exposed.

      What I don't trust so well, is the measurements taken by the Japanese government. Maybe they might not be/ were not as totally dangerous as some people are/ were making out, but I don't fully trust Japanese scientists working for TEPCO or for the J. Govt.

      I do hope that you're right, I do know that the U.S. was not agreeing to the safety standards as put forth by Japan for the workers at the Plant, or for the exclusion zone, or for the food transported from Tohoku, or even in the way they were dealing with some of the problems on site.

      Now with the debris, they have a scary method of mixing the amounts to get safe levels. So, 8000mSv has been set as the 'safe' level to burn at, questionable. But it gets better, if they have 2t of debris with little or no radiation, they can 'mix' it with another tonne of radioactive debris that has a reading of 24,000mSv, so the "average" is 8000mSv, so it's safe!!! Really??

      Japanese scientists faked finding ancient evidence that their 'ancestors' lived in Japan much longer ago than they actually did.

      They have refuted that the ruins in Yonaguni were man made.

      The Govt. still even white washes history ... Enforced suicides of civilians in Okinawa in WWII, Pleasure ladies from Korea, the Rape of Nanking.

      Even the current Govt. have corrupt dealings with business, like TEPCO, bribes, party money used in scandals, Yakuza involved in Pachinko, Whaling etc. etc. Not sure I can trust the J.Govt. or the scientists they employ to record the levels they want.

      Scientific research for whaling?

      If your information has come from an International Scientific community, not in cooperation with Govt. scientists then that's one thing, but I don't think that we should blindly trust a Govt. that was ill-prepared to protect its own country from the horrors that nature unleashed, but even more so, was totally unprepared for the Nuclear catastrophe that caused serious meltdowns in several reactors at Fukushima and continues to pose danger to Japan.

      I really don't think any lobby groups are that powerful to stop the Govt. or TEPCO in the past of upgrading or improving the safety at any of the Nuclear Power plants, when Unions hold very little power in Japan and most minorities are ignored or alienated.

      I do hope that the real readings are somewhere close to yours though, just don't trust the Govt. and the old Imperial Power base that it works off, and that Big business in Japan works off also.

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      • #33
        http://enenews.com/forum-about-japan...oactive-debris

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        • #34
          Originally posted by thefg
          its like would you feel safe driving a 60 year old car on the autobahn?


          we should phase out these old designs and replace them with the newer intrinsically safer ones - but we cant
          The weakness with your new car/old car analogy is that the safety of a car strongly depends on its driver. I'm not against nuclear power par se, but the drivers in Japan have been shown to be untrustworthy.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by thefg
            an analogy is just an analogy - no need to be pedantic


            The point is IF THERE IS A CRASH (TSUNAMI) you are more likely to survive in a modern car (modern plant) with modern crash structures (modern design of reactor) than you will in a car (reactor) designed in the 1950s 1960s.


            but to follow the crappiness of your rather worthless response; accepting that they are untrustworthy better they are using a more trustworthy design reactor no?
            There are good analogies and bad analogies. If you give an analogy to support your argument, another person is entitled to point out its weakness. Nothing pedantic about that.

            A more trustworthy design is obviously better than a less trustworthy design, but a trustworthy design and trustworthy power companies are essential, in the same way that well-designed cars and competent drivers are essential for safety.

            PS 'the crappiness of your rather worthless response' - why the vitriol in this and so many of your other posts?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by rad View Post
              Japanese scientists faked finding ancient evidence that their 'ancestors' lived in Japan much longer ago than they actually did.

              They have refuted that the ruins in Yonaguni were man made.
              If these ruins are indeed man made then it would support the claims that non Japanese/Yamato people were here before the there were any prto Japanese settlers.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by thefg

                obviously its better if operator is responsible - thats a given, so why even bring it up in 1st place...other than to be... pedantic?
                I bought up the point because the Japanese nuclear industry have demonstrated time and time again that they are not responsible or trustworthy. That is a strong argument against allowing them to resume control of nuclear power stations in Japan, regardless of their design, without much stronger regulation from outside. Is that pedantic?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by cucashopboy View Post
                  I bought up the point because the Japanese nuclear industry have demonstrated time and time again that they are not responsible or trustworthy. That is a strong argument against allowing them to resume control of nuclear power stations in Japan, regardless of their design, without much stronger regulation from outside. Is that pedantic?
                  More like it's common sense but, when have the Japanese ever been big on common sense?

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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by cucashopboy View Post
                    I bought up the point because the Japanese nuclear industry have demonstrated time and time again that they are not responsible or trustworthy. That is a strong argument against allowing them to resume control of nuclear power stations in Japan, regardless of their design, without much stronger regulation from outside. Is that pedantic?
                    Do you a know single area of life in Japan where the country is run by competent people? Japan is the perfect example of a country where promotions are not the result of competence.

                    As one learn from the interview with Kan, every single person including a prime minister, who attempts to interfere into the corrupt power structure of this coúntry will we removed.....

                    So who exactly would you suggest to run the nuclear industry in Japan?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by John Grey View Post
                      Do you a know single area of life in Japan where the country is run by competent people? Japan is the perfect example of a country where promotions are not the result of competence.

                      As one learn from the interview with Kan, every single person including a prime minister, who attempts to interfere into the corrupt power structure of this coúntry will we removed.....

                      So who exactly would you suggest to run the nuclear industry in Japan?
                      To what extent does Japan need a nuclear industry?
                      Certainly it is going to be using less not more electricity in future (deindustrialisation and falling population) - this summer will be a good indicator of whether Japan can cope without its reactors.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by edin日本 View Post
                        If these ruins are indeed man made then it would support the claims that non Japanese/Yamato people were here before the there were any prto Japanese settlers.
                        I have dove them and it seems obvious to me, and my wife, that the ruins have 'design' features on them. Right angles, 45o angles, drainage, holes, large steps etc.

                        Given that the Ainu, Okinawans, an indigenous group in Kyushu and another in Tohoku (the last 2 having been either killed off or interbred) were there well before the Yamato hailing from Mongolia, it seems very reasonable that another indigenous group existed in the Yayama island group. If so, the people that first lived on Yonaguni would have lived there some 8---10,000years ago, as sea levels were low enough then to carve the structures that are apparent at Iseki point. There are 2 main areas there, the Monument and the Stage, with examples of some other work in the vicinity also.

                        Yamato were the last people to arrive, so whilst 'indigenous' means 'original' inhabitants/ people, they can't really claim that at all, considering that 5 different groups of people lived in the present Japanese island groups, from far north to far south.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by cucashopboy View Post
                          To what extent does Japan need a nuclear industry?
                          Certainly it is going to be using less not more electricity in future (deindustrialisation and falling population) - this summer will be a good indicator of whether Japan can cope without its reactors.

                          They should even tone down their use of electricity, just ways too many lights, air conditioning and conveni and drinks machines.

                          They could definitely be a lot 'greener' and more energy 'wise'. Far too dependent on convenience and lights they are.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by John Grey View Post
                            Do you a know single area of life in Japan where the country is run by competent people? Japan is the perfect example of a country where promotions are not the result of competence.

                            As one learn from the interview with Kan, every single person including a prime minister, who attempts to interfere into the corrupt power structure of this coúntry will we removed.....

                            So who exactly would you suggest to run the nuclear industry in Japan?

                            I believe this comes from left over WWII Generals and the like, and the Yakuza. Sad really. They have stagnated Japan for about 2 decades, and now there may be 2 more. The people deserve far better. They need to break apart the ants nest regime from the bottom up, it ain't going to happen from the top down.

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by cucashopboy View Post
                              To what extent does Japan need a nuclear industry?
                              Certainly it is going to be using less not more electricity in future (deindustrialisation and falling population) - this summer will be a good indicator of whether Japan can cope without its reactors.
                              You really have no idea at all of what goes on on this country?

                              The energy policy in Japan is run by something called the "Nuclear Village", who runs it because that is one way they make money. Former Prime Minister Kan found out the hard way after Fukushima, and lost his job because he assumed he is in charge and gets to do what needs to be done.
                              He described the whole thing openly in an interview on German TV.
                              Do you really believe in the rest of the world that is very different? Do you áctually believe the nonsense that the peoples are told, that something will change? Do you actually believe in 10, 20 or 50 years there will be less núclear power plants than today?

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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by rad View Post
                                I believe this comes from left over WWII Generals and the like, and the Yakuza. Sad really. They have stagnated Japan for about 2 decades, and now there may be 2 more. The people deserve far better. They need to break apart the ants nest regime from the bottom up, it ain't going to happen from the top down.
                                Your description points to the reason for all this, yet it seems you really do not want to acknowledge the actual existing spread of corruption in this country, you seem to consider this an actual democracy? And, sad as it is, you are aimply wrong, when you write "The people deserve far better."
                                No, they get exactly what they deserve. They are sheep with a slave mentality that will never stand up to the powers that be. The idea that they will "break apart the ants nest regime" is simply ridiculous....

                                One post up, you wrote:
                                "They should even tone down their use of electricity, just ways too many lights, air conditioning and conveni and drinks machines.
                                They could definitely be a lot 'greener' and more energy 'wise'. Far too dependent on convenience and lights they are. "

                                Remember how in the last hot season people were asked to use less a/c?

                                These people were not even able to make one single sensible law against that unbelievable waste. When you walk through any japanese town, what to say of Tokyo or Osaka, you will see tens of thousand of shops in Japan, like those HAC and other drug stores and the departments stores, with a/c at full blast, yet ALL their doors completely open!
                                They cannot even spell the word "Green" in this country. Just look at all the food with those unbelievable amounts of pesticides....

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