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  • #46
    Originally posted by thefg
    didnt see anywhere where i said it wasnt more dangerous to drive a car, nor did I talk about maintenance.

    so please stop alluding to positions im not taking. Your preaching to the choir on this one. I could tell you my exp and qualification regarding turbo machinery design (yes that is a correct term) but ill only be accused of lying.

    my ONLY point was the one i made about the level of 'new' technology that such systems actually employ. It has a lot to do with reliability v risk but also on the necessarily long dev times. New jet fighters, planes, etc etc are obsolete by the time they go into service, just like computers and other modern consumer electronics

    PS when i really want to freak people out i tell them how we determine maximum service life of jet engine components. To this day I still find the methodology employed worrying but there's not denying its proven to be conservative
    Wasn't replying specifically to you, more or less making a comment from my experience hauling trash for the Cdn Forces and CP Air.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by edin日本 View Post
      I just don't know why but people just didn't like my landings....

      Gentlemen this is your pilot speaking. We are currently flying at 1200m and a speed of 230kmph. We are 5 min out from the target. Winds on the ground are light at 32kmph, temps are 21ºC and cloud cover is moderate. Please check and secure your gear, exit will be by the ramp to the rear of the aircraft. Please follow the instructions of the Jumpmaster and good hunting.
      There is only one reason to jump from a plane and that's only if it's crashing.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Old Style View Post
        There is only one reason to jump from a plane and that's only if it's crashing.
        The guys who were in this regiment would have disagreed with you.

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        • #49
          Is Boeing safe?

          NTSB to investigate San Francisco Crash

          SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- An Asiana Airlines flight from Seoul, South Korea, crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport on Saturday, forcing passengers to jump down the emergency inflatable slides to safety. It was not immediately known whether there were any injuries.

          Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown said Flight 214 crashed while landing on runway 28 left at 11:26 PDT.

          A video clip posted to YouTube showed smoke coming from a jet on the tarmac. Passengers could be seen jumping down the emergency slides.

          Television footage showed the top of the fuselage was burned away and the entire tail was gone. One engine appeared to have broken away. Pieces of the tail were strewn about the runway. Emergency responders could be seen walking inside the burned-out wreckage.

          Stephanie Turner saw the plane going down and the rescue slides deploy, but returned to her hotel room before seeing any passengers get off the jet, she told ABC News. Turner said when she first saw the flight she noticed right away that the angle of its approach seemed strange.

          "It didn't manage to straighten out before hitting the runway," she said. "So the tail of the plane hit the runway, and it cartwheeled and spun and the tail broke off ... I mean we were sure that we had just seen a lot of people die. It was awful.

          "And it looked like the plane had completely broken apart," she said. "There were flames and smoke just billowing."

          A call to the airline seeking comment wasn't immediately returned.

          The National Transportation Safety Board said it was sending a team of investigators to San Francisco to probe the crash. NTSB spokeswoman Kelly Nantel said Saturday that NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman would head the team.

          Asiana is a South Korean airline, second in size to national carrier Korean Air. It has recently tried to expand its presence in the United States, and joined the Star Alliance, anchored by American Airlines and British Airways.

          The 777-200 is a long-range plane from Boeing. The twin-engine aircraft is one of the world's most popular long-distance planes, often used for flights of 12 hours or more, from one continent to another. The airline's website says its 777s can carry between 246 to 300 passengers.

          The flight was 10 hours and 23 minutes, according to FlightAware, a flight tracking service. The aircraft is configured to seat 295 passengers, it said.

          The last time a large U.S. airline lost a plane in a fatal crash was an American Airlines Airbus A300 taking off from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York in 2001.

          Smaller airlines have had crashes since then. The last fatal U.S. crash was a Continental Express flight operated by Colgan Air, which crashed into a house near Buffalo, N.Y. on Feb. 12, 2009. The crash killed all 49 people on board and one man in a house.
          http://news.yahoo.com/ntsb-investiga...201524141.html

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          • #50
            Fly Asiana:

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            • #51
              If I had to be in a flaming plane crash anywhere it would be in San Francisco. It's such a nice city.

              Here's a good plane crash compilation

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNg91jlf2Lw

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              • #52
                Preliminary reports are two dead, sixty plus injured.

                Absolutely amazing it wasn't worse. The entire tail of the plane is sitting at one end of the runway. The nose gear is a few hundred feet from there, and the entire rest of the plane is way down the runway with one engine about ten yards in front of the wing.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by twelvedown View Post
                  If I had to be in a flaming plane crash anywhere it would be in San Francisco. It's such a nice city.
                  If by "nice" you mean overcrowded and expensive with absolutely no parking, then I 100% agree with you.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by ruserious View Post
                    Preliminary reports are two dead, sixty plus injured.

                    Absolutely amazing it wasn't worse.
                    Yes, I just heard an extract of the press conference. Astonishing - I was sure it was going to much worse. A testament to the way aircraft are designed and even more of a testament to the performance of the emergency services and the crew.
                    Last edited by Brown Cow; 2013-07-07, 10:04 AM.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ruserious View Post
                      If by "nice" you mean overcrowded and expensive with absolutely no parking, then I 100% agree with you.
                      It has nice food and views. Although I was surprised by how many homeless people are there.

                      It sounds like the pilot just stuffed up. San Francisco is an easy airport for landing.

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                      • #56
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by twelvedown View Post
                          It sounds like the pilot just stuffed up. San Francisco is an easy airport for landing.
                          A bit early to be speculating on the cause, isn't it? We will see but does the pilot have much to do with it, unless something has gone wrong?

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                          • #58
                            It seems like pilot error. The pilot came in too low and clipped the tail.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Hijinx View Post
                              It seems like pilot error. The pilot came in too low and clipped the tail.
                              JAL made a perfect, if inadvertent, water landing at SFO in 1968.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_2

                              Aeronautically,
                              A.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Hijinx View Post
                                It seems like pilot error. The pilot came in too low and clipped the tail.
                                Source?

                                Not according to this report and the guy sounds very measured. According to him, the thing was not under control on approach and there was a boom before it touched the runway.

                                http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23214500
                                Last edited by Brown Cow; 2013-07-07, 12:15 PM. Reason: More up to date information

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