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    Hello,

    I'm in a bit of a bind.

    Ive been living in Japan for about 7 years and am really considering moving back to America or Europe(but probably America).

    Now I'm studying Japanese full time to try to get my N2 Japanese certification.

    Also, I came to Japan after College graduation(BA Business) so I don't really have work experience other than teaching English, proof reading and design(very limited).

    I'm really thinking about returning because I don't foresee a good career here and even though I date often, I'm starting to think that the cultural difference is too great to actually start a family here(I always hope to be proven wrong).

    Basically my question is:

    Have you heard stories of people actually using their Japan experience after returning to their home country?


    Honestly, I'm not worried so much about finding work but I would really like to be able to use what I did here after/if I leave.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Adol007fm View Post
    Basically my question is:

    Have you heard stories of people actually using their Japan experience after returning to their home country?.

    Other than f'ing around on here, I am doing it as we speak. Mind you, it's 4 am and I'm working, so it isn't that much fun.


    Originally posted by Adol007fm View Post
    Honestly, I'm not worried so much about finding work but I would really like to be able to use what I did here after/if I leave.
    As a fellow Northwester (well, Southwester, in my case), I Use It as often as I can.

    Not so easy to meet them here, but yeah............it can be used.



    Still, after 7 years, N2 means Fail.

    I would think about another year or 2 and get to a level that matters.


    I know how snotty that sounds, but yeah. Sorry.


    I know one regular poster on here that has lived in Japan for 25 years, and still claims that he has N2 as though he did something, rather than totally F'ed up.


    Level 1 is entry level, man.

    Buy a book, bust your bum.

    Yeesh, you learned Romanian...............how hard can Japanese be????

    At any rate, if you do move home, just move to Seattle.


    Tereeyakee, babe.

    Tereeyakee.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Adol007fm View Post
      Have you heard stories of people actually using their Japan experience after returning to their home country?


      Honestly, I'm not worried so much about finding work but I would really like to be able to use what I did here after/if I leave.
      so what experience do you have that could be considered useful to an employer at home. Not much demand for ESL teachers back home I would guess.

      I have heard that former JETs are often able to get jobs that are Japan-related, working in exporting, PR etc.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kurogane View Post
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        I know one regular poster on here that has lived in Japan for 25 years, and still claims that he has N2 as though he did something, rather than totally F'ed up.
        .
        Beats working just so you can be an academic stiff working in a lab where no one knows you.

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        • #5
          I either agree with that, or I am going to make popcorn.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kurogane View Post
            I either agree with that, or I am going to make popcorn.
            Ill bring the cookies

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            • #7
              and popcorn it is.................


              Great meltdown, btw.


              I'm tempted to use a historically pungent simile, but I'll go with Three Mile Island.

              Even those of us that started out sympathetic are laughing so hard we forget we were trying..................

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KansaiBen View Post
                so what experience do you have that could be considered useful to an employer at home. Not much demand for ESL teachers back home I would guess.

                I have heard that former JETs are often able to get jobs that are Japan-related, working in exporting, PR etc.
                No experience really other than ESL but I do have a network of family and friends that can help me find a job if needed and because its my home country I don't run into visa restrictions and such. The problem is the kinds of jobs they can help me get into would make my time here a waste.

                Exporting would look like the obvious choice.

                About Romanian(Fluent level), its much easier than Japanese. I also speak German to a conversational extent and can understand Italian(because of Romanian) but for some reason cant get Japanese to a descent level.

                About getting an N1; that would be ideal. I basically quit everything and am just studying for a year before I need to decide what to do exactly. If I cant get a good enough level after so long its going to be a personal fail for me but also time to move on.
                Last edited by Adol007fm; 2012-08-02, 09:39 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Adol007fm View Post
                  About Romanian(Fluent level), its much easier than Japanese. I also speak German to a conversational extent and can understand Italian(because of Romanian) but for some reason cant get Japanese to a descent level.
                  Hmmm... I know plenty of people who do nothing to learn and their Japanese level keeps going down and down as well! :P

                  Same with any language, I think, but use it or lose it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Adol007fm View Post

                    About Romanian(Fluent level), its much easier than Japanese. I also speak German to a conversational extent and can understand Italian(because of Romanian) but for some reason cant get Japanese to a descent level.

                    About getting an N1; that would be ideal. I basically quit everything and am just studying for a year before I need to decide what to do exactly. If I cant get a good enough level after so long its going to be a personal fail for me but also time to move on.

                    Like most things knowing a second language is icing on the cake. Unless you have specialised knowledge of terminology, e.g. patents etc it will be hard I think. You may have to think about going back to school and getting some vocational or business skills. Even things like exporting and trade require specialised skills, licences etc.

                    There seems to be quite a boom in manga etc in the States, maybe importing rare items/costumes, translating new comics etc. You really need to aim for N1 though to be any good. Can you do anything on EBay?

                    PS you need to make a living, be able to support yourself and you cant always do what you want to do.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KansaiBen View Post
                      Like most things knowing a second language is icing on the cake. Unless you have specialised knowledge of terminology, e.g. patents etc it will be hard I think. You may have to think about going back to school and getting some vocational or business skills. Even things like exporting and trade require specialised skills, licences etc.

                      There seems to be quite a boom in manga etc in the States, maybe importing rare items/costumes, translating new comics etc. You really need to aim for N1 though to be any good. Can you do anything on EBay?

                      PS you need to make a living, be able to support yourself and you cant always do what you want to do.
                      That`s true. I completely understand that. But I can aim for what I want and settle for supporting myself. 2 things that Ive been looking into are student support for exchange students at university and Nippon Express(my college part time job).

                      Also, thanks for the vocational school tip. I was thinking of going back for my masters in Business but Ive been hearing that its not useful unless you have a masters and some experience or very young(early 20s).

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Adol007fm View Post
                        About Romanian(Fluent level), its much easier than Japanese. I also speak German to a conversational extent and can understand Italian(because of Romanian) but for some reason cant get Japanese to a descent level.

                        About getting an N1; that would be ideal. I basically quit everything and am just studying for a year before I need to decide what to do exactly. If I cant get a good enough level after so long its going to be a personal fail for me but also time to move on.
                        I was kidding about the Romanian, my man.


                        If you have the desire to do it, I would put some serious effort into learning Japanese.


                        Having an N2 is a nice little trophy, but in terms of qualifications, it means you are only halfway there.


                        I think that you will find that after 7 years in Japan with few other learned skills (you were just teaching English, yeah??), the options back home will be rather limited, even if you speak middling Japanese.

                        If you speak, read and write it well to properly, your options open up quite a bit.

                        Certainly on the West Coast, trading companies and others like Nippon Express would probably be happy to find a bright guy like you that was also a language expert of sorts.


                        So, are you now about 29?????

                        I think the real problem you will have moving home is that most of the jobs, unless you get very lucky, will pay crap, and if it's a Japanese company, will continue to pay crap for the foreseeable future. This university liason idea could be interesting, but I bet you the pay isn't that good.

                        I suppose another idea could be these English School sales/marketing agents that travel around hawking their clients' schools back home. IOW, they are a sort of sales/marketing consultant specialising in EFL study abroad.

                        Sounds boring, but you get to travel.

                        Also, if you want to do something Japan related, do not even think of leaving the West Coast.

                        The rest of the continent is a dump, anyways.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kurogane View Post
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                          I was kidding about the Romanian, my man.


                          If you have the desire to do it, I would put some serious effort into learning Japanese.


                          Having an N2 is a nice little trophy, but in terms of qualifications, it means you are only halfway there.


                          I think that you will find that after 7 years in Japan with few other learned skills (you were just teaching English, yeah??), the options back home will be rather limited, even if you speak middling Japanese.

                          If you speak, read and write it well to properly, your options open up quite a bit.

                          Certainly on the West Coast, trading companies and others like Nippon Express would probably be happy to find a bright guy like you that was also a language expert of sorts.


                          So, are you now about 29?????

                          I think the real problem you will have moving home is that most of the jobs, unless you get very lucky, will pay crap, and if it's a Japanese company, will continue to pay crap for the foreseeable future. This university liason idea could be interesting, but I bet you the pay isn't that good.

                          I suppose another idea could be these English School sales/marketing agents that travel around hawking their clients' schools back home. IOW, they are a sort of sales/marketing consultant specialising in EFL study abroad.

                          Sounds boring, but you get to travel.

                          Also, if you want to do something Japan related, do not even think of leaving the West Coast.

                          The rest of the continent is a dump, anyways.
                          Wow. Thank you for all the info and ideas.

                          I have 1 year left of studying Japanese so I'm going to be hitting it pretty hard.

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                          • #14
                            I'm a returnee. Japanese ability is pretty useless outside of the west coast and Hawaii. ESL teaching basically qualifies you for working at Berlitz or Kaplan, but they pay around $12/hour. Not enough to survive on. You'll have to get a Master's degree if you want to teach in schools, but most states have been cutting teachers, so I don't see that as a safe route.

                            I've had to start over. I spent months looking for a job, finally found one with a technology company (unrelated to my major or what I was doing in Japan), but I had to start from the lowest position they had. The people at my level in the company are 5+ years younger than me. I graduated near the top of my class and studied my ___ off. I have over $30k in student loan debt, partly due to accruing interest payments as I can't afford to pay on my loans. It's harder to date here as women closer to my age expect more. I'm kind of bummed, wish I had done this or that in the past, think about returning to Japan, but each day it looks bleaker there and couldn't live with myself starting from where I did before. I'm trying to figure out the best path forward now. I'm tired of being poor and in debt, but I'm not alone. That's the situation for a large portion of the US right now. I'll probably pursue something related to technology or business as that's where I am atm. Anyway, just thought I'd share this as you may end up going through the same bulls1it returning.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ghostrider View Post
                              ....I've had to start over. I spent months looking for a job, finally found one with a technology company (unrelated to my major or what I was doing in Japan), but I had to start from the lowest position they had....
                              You have my sympathy and I hope something works out.

                              I try to warn those who teach English that if they're not careful they can end up back home at square one again.

                              Except now you're over 30 with an act that's harder to sell.

                              Originally posted by ghostrider View Post
                              ... It's harder to date here as women closer to my age expect more.
                              I'm sure they do.

                              When I returned to the States after 5 years in Japan I ended up working as an office temp and believe me women in an office setting generally don't look to kindly on a guy filing index cards.
                              Last edited by Ken44; 2012-08-25, 02:59 PM.

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