Left Japan with a PR still valid but surrendered my alien registration card. My re-entry permit is still good (nothing stamped on it).
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What does "単出" mean on a passport stamped for departure?
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Yes, i understand Japanese but that does not make sense. the actual translation of that is "uniparous" or "Single out" but it doesnt make sense on a passport.
Nothing is stamped on the passport nor on the re-entry. only on where it says "departed" (we usually get that stamp even visiting outside of japan for a few days).
not stapled documents whatsoever.
BTW, already got my lumpsum from Japan, even i was a PR.
Has any new laws changed about having to remain married to keep PR? i divorced but still have a PR from 2009. re-entry expires 2012.
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never heard of that either. There is no way immigration can check as I never go there anymore and they and the city office dont communicate with each other.Originally posted by GenkiiYou dont need to remain married to keep PR.
For the other answers you better wait for Kansaiben to wake up
I have no idea what 単出 means. (simple/individual exit?)
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It's probably one of those contractions, such as 単で出ない, and could mean single exit, i.e. not eligible to come back.Originally posted by rtfm View PostThe question about PR and divorced was never asked. Psych wants to know if he still has PR, and given that he handed in his card and doesn't have the re-entrant card in his passport I'm thinking No.
Best bet is to contact Japan Embassy/ Consulate for advice.
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Thank you all for your replies and input.
I was so pissed after divorcing my wife that i did not think of returning to Japan for any reason. I would have kept the alien registration card but i wanted to get my lump-sum more than anything. got my $10,000 and never thought to return to Japan.
I remembered that when i surrendered my alien registration card, the customs guy with a half-smile asked, "are you sure?". I said, "yes". He then left his booth and picked up a one-page paper for me to sign. And for the love of god, i cannot remember what it said. cause at that point, Japan just pissed me off. had divorced a 15- year marriage from her string of affairs, lost my job of 4 years, missed my family and well hell... going back to the states was the best and only option at the time. Anyways, i "think" the paper said that i had no intention of returning to Japan or i realized that i was surrendering my PR.. or something of that nature.
Now looking at my passport, it does NOT say "cancel" on the re-entry permit. it does NOT say "cancel" on the small PR seal. Just from all of the stamps posted (overseas custom stamps that you usually get going to and from countries), there is just that mark where the customs official hand-wrote "単出" on one of the DEPARTURE stamps.
if there is nothing in the customs database and if they look at the passport, they would not notice that stamp at all. only the PR seal, re-entry seal and then ask "where is your alien registration card?"
If they find that i did in fact, surrender my PR (actually just the alien registration card and signed that paper) and im in the line (Japanese citizen line at customs instead of visitor), wonder if theyd send me to the "visitor" sign and only give me a 3-month visa (American) and tell me that the PR is no longer available. It would just suck to take off time from work here in the states, spend all that money just to see if the PR was still valid.... btw, i have until 1st month of 2012.
This "単出" kanji must be some code or internal lingo because it makes no sense..."single departure" on a PR??? why would that even matter?
ah, BTW, now looking at the passport, i see my "Spouse or Child of Japanese National" seal has a large stamp on it stating "CANCELLED". right next to it is the Re-entry permit which is still valid until the first month of 2012 but doesnt have anything written or stamped on it. so you can guess why im confused. they have a stamp for "cancelled" but they did not use it on the re-entry stamp, NOR stamped it on the "permission for permanent resident" seal.
Trying to give as much information as i can to clarify this. perhaps someone has experienced the same?
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You are indeed done. This doesn't happen often, hence the need to get the forms and hand-write the note rather than stamp it.Originally posted by psych View PostI remembered that when i surrendered my alien registration card, the customs guy with a half-smile asked, "are you sure?". I said, "yes". He then left his booth and picked up a one-page paper for me to sign.
The spouse seal was cancelled when the PR was issued. The REP was still valid at the time so they left it alone.Originally posted by psych View Postah, BTW, now looking at the passport, i see my "Spouse or Child of Japanese National" seal has a large stamp on it stating "CANCELLED". right next to it is the Re-entry permit which is still valid until the first month of 2012 but doesnt have anything written or stamped on it. so you can guess why im confused.
Not canceling the PR sticker sounds like a clerical error - was it a young guy at immigration?
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yea, he was a young gent. I thought maybe he thought that i wasnt making the right decision (wasnt actually at the time), and may have just threw the paper away. wondering if that paper made it to immigration or if anyone actually proceeded to enter the information into their computer or not. no one can ever tell unless i go there. id just hate to waste the money going all the way there to see if i made it in...
... and if i did enter as a PR and they found a conflicting document, what would happen?
Yes, i did sign "that paper" but the question is; would a passport have more weight than the photocopied A4 paper (saying that i surrendered my PR) i signed when i left?
So this would be a loophole?
Well, perhaps the only solution to find this out is going to the Japanese consulate and confirming this.
NOTE: anyone leaving Japan with a PR and getting their lump-sum, keep your alien registration card. YES, you still can get your lump-sum. you dont need to surrender anything... just hand in your blue pension booklet. When you get your lump-sum, they send back your booklet to you...and its still valid to submit again for another round. definite loophole.Last edited by psych; 2011-10-24, 11:29 AM.
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It means you lose. Sorry.Originally posted by psych View PostLeft Japan with a PR still valid but surrendered my alien registration card. My re-entry permit is still good (nothing stamped on it).
Short for 単純出国 or "Leaving Japan Re-entry Nonreserving." You have forfeited whatever privileges had been granted to you by the government of Japan.
I found many similar stories in Japanese on yahoo's chiebukuro and google.
Good luck to you and sorry about the mess.
For reference, read this conversation.
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp...il/q1145472796
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