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    I have read many times on here that you need an instructor visa to do ALT work and work in public schools and you need a specialist in humanities to work in private conversation school. Is that really the case and if so where is the official writing on this? Isn't it open to interpretation and maybe not such a big deal if for example someone with an instructor visa works for a conversation school? Is there overlap because, if I remember correctly, for specialist in humanities, you should be a foreign language teacher(and it ends there). Isn't that the exact same thing you would be doing on an instructor visa, teaching a foreign language? If I am wrong can someone point me to an official site where it is written word for word exactly how it should be because otherwise I would think immigration wouldn't have grounds to penalize someone doing this, someone with an instructor visa teaching at an eikaiwa.

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    Originally posted by karateman View Post
    I have read many times on here that you need an instructor visa to do ALT work and work in public schools and you need a specialist in humanities to work in private conversation school. Is that really the case and if so where is the official writing on this? Isn't it open to interpretation and maybe not such a big deal if for example someone with an instructor visa works for a conversation school? Is there overlap because, if I remember correctly, for specialist in humanities, you should be a foreign language teacher(and it ends there). Isn't that the exact same thing you would be doing on an instructor visa, teaching a foreign language? If I am wrong can someone point me to an official site where it is written word for word exactly how it should be because otherwise I would think immigration wouldn't have grounds to penalize someone doing this, someone with an instructor visa teaching at an eikaiwa.

    my understanding (from personal experience)...

    full-time, visa-sponsored instructors can work in conversation schools provided they have received permission to work outside of their instructor's visa. Specialist in Humanities visa holders have to change their visas should they be offered full-time visa-sponsored employment in a school. the hair-splitting is for appearances sake and rope pissing up... it is written somewhere.

    if one is part-time, that is a different story....

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    • #3
      I ask because I have an instructor visa and looking for work. I might get employment with an English conversation school and from talking to them, it sounds like they will take me with the instructor visa and as I said before, it looks to me like that should not be a problem from how these visa explanations are worded. Anybody out there work or has worked for an eikaiwa with only the instructor visa (no permission to work outside of it) and had no problems?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by karateman View Post
        I ask because I have an instructor visa and looking for work. I might get employment with an English conversation school and from talking to them, it sounds like they will take me with the instructor visa and as I said before, it looks to me like that should not be a problem from how these visa explanations are worded. Anybody out there work or has worked for an eikaiwa with only the instructor visa (no permission to work outside of it) and had no problems?
        the school is supposed to provide you with a contract, you take that and toddle down to your local immigration office and apply for permission to work outside your current instructor visa. upon approval, you can work in an eikaiwa. about half the eikaiwa know that this is what they should do. it is not the eikaiwa's decision to "take you with an instructor visa".... and it would be a problem for you if immigration gets word of what you/they are doing. most schools issuing instructor visas do NOT permit outside work.... does yours??

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        • #5
          Yes, ALTs need the instructor visa, and eikaiwa teachers need the Humanities visa.
          http://www.japaneselawtranslation.go...06&vm=04&re=01
          Of course, if you marry a Japanese and get a spousal visa, or if you get Permanent Resident status, you are eligible for either type of work.

          If you have either one and want to do PT work in the other, you can do it by getting special permission from immigration.
          http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/te...hikakugai.html

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          • #6
            Ok so when you get permission from immigration what exactly do they do? Put a stamp on your visa signifying that? I am not advocating this but if you didn't get permission how would immigration find out about someone teaching at an eikaiwa with only an instructor visa?

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            • #7
              Dude,

              I would just go with your first option, and just do whatever you want to without worrying about those busybodies at immigration. The main thing is that you're happy, getting paid, and don't have to worry about all the niggly legal issues that distract you, befuddle your mind, and take time away from perfecting your Kata.

              Wax On!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              If they do catch you, you could always just tell them that you do Karate.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by karateman View Post
                Ok so when you get permission from immigration what exactly do they do? Put a stamp on your visa signifying that? I am not advocating this but if you didn't get permission how would immigration find out about someone teaching at an eikaiwa with only an instructor visa?
                you fill out the form, submit it along with the contract for the part-time work AND the document the employer fills out and after checking all the info, Immigration does stamp your passport with the barely readable permission to work out side your visa.

                half of my part-time work is not aware of this requirement, and has not bothered with the process.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by karateman View Post
                  I am not advocating this but if you didn't get permission how would immigration find out about someone teaching at an eikaiwa with only an instructor visa?
                  P!ss off someone who contacts the government snitch site.
                  Decide to go on self-sponsorship, and when you present your contracts, they see.
                  Decide to work FT for the other employer (whose type of visa you don't have) and innocently think all you have to do is renew the other visa, they will see.

                  Why work illegally when it is so easy not to?

                  Get the work, get the permission, you will have something in your passport.

                  Originally posted by well_bicyclically
                  half of my part-time work is not aware of this requirement, and has not bothered with the process.
                  Why should they? Maybe they don't even know. I don't know if they get penalized, but you certainly could!
                  Last edited by Glenski; 2013-08-18, 09:10 AM.

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                  • #10
                    The permit to engage in other activities is pretty easy to get, I had one as a student, didn't have to provide contracts etc in that case , a lot of spaces on the application form were left "N/A", back then it seemed like everyone who applied for one was almost guaranteed to get one (at least for students). Things might be a bit different these days, however the two types of work are closely related there shouldn't be any major issues.

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                    • #11
                      Can this be done the other way? Having a humanities visa and getting permission to work part-time for a job that requires an instructor visa?

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                      • #12
                        Yes it works both ways. Pretty much additional activities permission covers most people (other than temporary visitors and certain others) to work outside their status.

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                        • #13
                          Sorry to post this in the wrong area but is it impossible to post a new topic when using an iphone?

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                          • #14
                            That's because the new forum sucks

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